How can someone OWN Greensleeves

Subject: RE: How can someone OWN Greensleeves
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 03:03 PM

that arrangement is 100% mine, I added a whole new intro and some additional things into it for fun why I called it "after greensleeves" There is no one else doing this version or they infringed on my copyright.

Subject: RE: How can someone OWN Greensleeves
From: Artful Codger
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 02:54 PM

Just playing devil's advocate here, so don't shoot the messenger...

The difficulty would be in proving there was no infringement on the arrangement, especially if they haven't notified you which particular "work" you're supposedly infringing. The fact that you made a recording of yourself is insufficient to prove you were ripping off someone else's distinctively original arrangement. If they could narrow it for you, you could probably prove (with a bit of research) that any commonalities were ones not original to the supposedly infringed arrangement--if indeed there was any real originality in their arrangement at all.

Of course, first you have to know which work you're reputedly infringing, and in what way--conveniently, they don't bother to tell you, though they must know in order to make an assertion of possible infringement.

The best response would be to abandon YouTube for a service with less overreaching policies, making it the new YouTube and giving Google the thumb, or middle finger, or whatever snubbing digit you choose.

Subject: RE: How can someone OWN Greensleeves
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 02:50 PM

Its on youtube but they told me they will put ads on it for revenue to the copyright holder ... WTF ... come on. give money to someone that has no right to do this .. nonsense

Subject: RE: How can someone OWN Greensleeves
From: GUEST,Ebor_Fiddler
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 02:47 PM

This is a well-known tryon. Ignore it.

Subject: RE: How can someone OWN Greensleeves
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 02:41 PM

YouTube instructions for filing a "counter-notification" of copyright status.

Ick.

~ Becky in Long Beach

Subject: RE: How can someone OWN Greensleeves
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 02:36 PM

Presumably a YouTube post, rather than Mudcat?

Obviously, any copyright claim on Greensleeves, other than for a specific arrangement, is absurd. I imagine that in general YouTube's methods of copyright dispute management are more likely to side with the one wanting a video pulled than the one who wants to post. However, this seems like one case where an e-mail or two should be sufficient, like for instance providing a link to the Wikipedia entry on Greensleeves! (At least I'd hope it would be that easy!)

Have you pursued any communications with the powers-that-be at YouTube, beyond attempting to re-posting your video and altering the images?

~ Becky in Long Beach

Subject: RE: How can someone OWN Greensleeves
From: GUEST,Mike Mandaville
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 02:14 PM

Old Dude, I don't know what you mean by "tried to post". If what you mean is that you have allowed someone else's statement about what "might" be the case to prevent you from posting, then I can only suggest to you that perhaps you should act on what you do know, rather than upon what someone else does not know. If, on the other hand, you mean something else, then please be specific.

I personally am glad that you started another discussion, because I agree that standing up for our rights is important.

Nobody owns Greensleaves. This is not a debateable issue. That's the way it is.

Subject: RE: How can someone OWN Greensleeves
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 12:58 PM

Dan, if you haven't used someone's arrangement, first tell them politely that it's a traditional number dating way the hell back to Henry the VIII in England. If they push it, tell them to get fucked in that many words.

Subject: RE: How can someone OWN Greensleeves
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 12:57 PM

What happens if you simply ignore this obvious bullying?

Or call it Green Sleaves?

Though I like Green Slieves myself - Slieve is Gaelic for mountain, or something similar, like a hill or pass over a mountain.

Or Alas, my love you do me wrong - (first line of a 17th C set of words)

There are penalties for violating a copyright, but there are no penalties for claiming a copyright one is not entitled to. Too bad about that.

Subject: RE: How can someone OWN Greensleeves
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 12:48 PM

You can copyright something that isn't yours. It's the court that will determine if you really own the copyright.

If the case gets to court, you walk in and prove the song existed prior to the copyright. If it were me, I' just walk in with a few older song books and recordings and not bother with a lawyer.

My guess is, if you push the people challenging you, they will back down. It's not worth it to pursue a fight they can't win and will ultimately (and publicly) make them look ignorant.

If those big companies can get you to back down, isn't a little bit like your agreeing they own it? Don't back down!

Subject: RE: How can someone OWN Greensleeves
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 12:25 PM

Your video, After Greensleeves , may include ....

It does say "may include". Just reply saying that it doesn't and leave it at that.

DC

Subject: RE: How can someone OWN Greensleeves
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 12:16 PM

You can't copywrite a traditional song, only an arrangement.

Dave H

Subject: RE: How can someone OWN Greensleeves
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 11:24 AM

First I though well maybe it is the photo I had, so I replaced it with a photo of ME .. nope someone owns the song rights .. This is getting nuts. How about if we copyright the word "the" then go after everyone that uses it. I wish someone with money would stop this crap

Subject: How can someone OWN Greensleeves
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 11:20 AM

three times I tried to post my variation of Greensleeves How far does this go. yes I should have added it to the other thread but I think this stuff is important and should be discussed.

Your video, After Greensleeves , may include content that is owned or administered by this entity:

    Entity: Music Publishing Rights Collecting Society Content Type: Musical Composition

the song goes back hundreds of years ... in the public domain $#@%$#