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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Apr 12 - 10:52 AM ....all that being said, I'm NOT a political type person...just a musician...and often in music, you can see a 'change' coming, and certain times, when the harmony is off, somebody is fucking up!..Then of course, there are those in the audience who try to sing along...and don't really understand the gist of the tune. Same way living in the times we're living....when somebody is out of tune, it becomes awful strange when you motion to him that he's out of tune...but he doesn't seem to care...he just keeps on playing. Then the music doesn't sound right. Seems pretty clear to me. Guest from Sanity, I think you should spend all of your time on your music. You're wasting your time here on these threads. Choosing to take the position of bottom feeder and stirring up rational discussions with irrational remarks just to see people fall over themselves as they argue topics you introduce into the discussion is unbecoming someone who wants to be taken seriously as a musician. In these threads, you're the party who is "out of tune." While your music is lovely, you have a tin ear for the social issues and civil discourse. Later today you will be able to listen to the podcast of today's Diane Rehm show. The first hour discussed the Stand Your Ground legislation in Florida and around the country. Stand Your Ground and Concealed Weapons Laws. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Bobert Date: 03 Apr 12 - 08:34 AM Okay, I'll bite... Tell us, insane one, what makes "stand your ground", as it is being used in this case, constitutional??? If you ***initiate*** contact and conflict with a perfect stranger and then kill him because you feel threatened that's murder... Tell us where in the constitution the Founding Fathers say it ain't... But you won't answer this question because you don't have a clue about what you are saying here... All we get from you is vintage GfinS smoke and mirrors... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Apr 12 - 05:22 AM Why thank you, Sam.....all that being said, I'm NOT a political type person...just a musician...and often in music, you can see a 'change' coming, and certain times, when the harmony is off, somebody is fucking up!..Then of course, there are those in the audience who try to sing along...and don't really understand the gist of the tune. Same way living in the times we're living....when somebody is out of tune, it becomes awful strange when you motion to him that he's out of tune...but he doesn't seem to care...he just keeps on playing. Then the music doesn't sound right. Seems pretty clear to me. ..and music, as said before on here, by me, and a couple of others, music is a unifying thing..politics are a divisive thing, and a vehicle for limitations. This is NOT rocket science...and to make things even worse, some on here, as on stage, sometimes the sheet music is all off! What???..they think we don't know that, when the tune is all scattered? just for what it's worth. Hey, regards! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Richard Bridge Date: 03 Apr 12 - 04:20 AM What's the matter, Fugitive from Sanity? Have you not worked out that a constitution is there to serve the society to which it applies, not the other way round? Or has it become a matter or religious revelation for you, a tablet of stone handed down by a supernatural power or the word of the prophet? Am I just grumpy today or do there seem to be even more morons here than usual? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Apr 12 - 04:14 AM S-U-U-U-R-E there Bobert!..anything you say! The way you dodge questions, duck and weave, and spin....you appear to be some 'political activist operative' to keep those folkies from gettin' hip to the game, and to insure that they stay 'in line' and work divisions and see that they are pushed, and exploited.....just an observation. One would think that if you were REALLY as quasi patriotic as you come off, that you'd be more concerned with an adherence to the Constitution, rather than working the biases..wouldn't you? This whole charade of being so 'Democratic' has defied gravity, and common sense, when you've IGNORED every truthful FACT presented...the saddest part, is you've got either a lot of believers on here, or just very indoctrinated dupes. What is really interesting, is for a social worker handing out entitlements, and promoting how great that is, why were you so hesitant and resentful, about helping your own relatives...in P-Vines house!! Blowing hot air?...or just whistlin' Dixie?? Love ya' anyway....maybe I'll really piss you off, by sending up a prayer for ya'! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Janie Date: 02 Apr 12 - 09:47 PM Thanks so much Becky - again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Bobert Date: 02 Apr 12 - 07:50 PM Ain't hte liberals buying 'um... Every time anything bad happens that gets media attention - such as the 7 people killed in a private college today - the knuckle draggers buy into the NRA emails and mail outs about how "Obama wants to take away your guns" and sales go up in redneck America... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Apr 12 - 07:36 PM ..yeah, the 'liberals' are going to want them, just in case the 'conservatives' sweep the elections, eh? GfS P.S. BTW, Zimmerman is a registered Democrat...look it up! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Bobert Date: 02 Apr 12 - 07:27 PM The big winner here is the NRA... Gun sales going thru the roof... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Richard Bridge Date: 02 Apr 12 - 06:46 PM Those 7 pages to me paint a picture of a control-freak, a wannabee-hero, and a vigilante. Zimmerman. Maybe that's why some people like him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Greg F. Date: 02 Apr 12 - 05:53 PM Poor, poor, pitiful me These dang Mods won't let me be Lord have mercy on me Woe, woe is me! --This ditty applies to several posters on the thread. No one should take it personally. Mudelf |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Don Firth Date: 02 Apr 12 - 04:47 PM My following lengthy screed gets into the matter of gun laws in this country. I own several handguns and one rifle, and at one time, was a member of the National Rifle Association and spouted all the arguments about the sacredness of the Second Amendment. One of my guitar students back in the mid-1960s was a gun enthusiast. He introduced me to the fun of target shooting at a local firing range and shooting empty soft drink cans off of fence posts at a gravel pit outside of town. He also gave me some instruction in combat shooting. He always carried a gun (Colt .45 automatic—"Gold Cup" target model) in a belt holster, concealed by his suit jacket. He did have a concealed weapons permit. He talked me into getting one, which I did. I carried a small .380 cal. Walther PPK (looked like James Bond's gun, but used a larger cartridge). My friend was a bit contemptuous of my "little pop-gun." He talked a lot about "stopping power," and advised me to get something bigger. Actually, my "little pop gun" was standard police issue in some European countries, where .380 cal. is designated "9 millemeter short (corto)." And it didn't make my jacket bulge. He (I'll call him Larry), a mutual friend (let's call him Bill), and I went around armed to the teeth for a couple of years. In addition to some really good firearms training, I learned something else from Larry. Not a lesson he intended. I learned that some people who are especially fond of firearms can be just plain, bloody trigger-happy. Buried in the back of their head somewhere, they want to shoot somebody! Larry came damned close on a couple of occasions. One evening Bill drove to Larry's apartment and found that he was out. Knowing that he would be back shortly, he sat in his parked car and waited 'til Larry pulled in and parked. Bill got out of his car and walked up to Larry's. Larry, seeing in the rear view mirror someone approaching his car from behind, pulled his Colt .45, opened the door suddenly, spun off the car seat and stood in a crouch with a two-hand hold, with the Colt aimed at the middle of Bill's chest before he suddenly realized who it was! He was within a split second of pulling the trigger. Larry didn't tell me this. His girl friend, who was in the car with him did. Scared the hell out of her. Scared the hell out of Bill, too. And, for that matter, Larry damn near threw up, realizing how close he'd come to killing one of his best friends! Marcy broke up with him shortly thereafter, and I think this sort of thing had something to do with it. Carrying a .38 cal. Smith & Wesson snub-nosed "Ladies' Special" in her pocket book wasn't quite her style. But he didn't learn! A few months later, he observed a minor auto accident that resulted in a big argument between the two drivers, one of which was clearly at fault (the other car was parked!). The driver at fault got back into his car and intended to drive off just as the police arrived. Larry had seen the whole thing, and was watching as things developed. But as the guy prepared to drive off, Larry pulled his gun and stepped in front of the car, again in a crouch, the Colt in a two-hand hold, aimed at the driver through the windshield. The driver, wide-eyed with fear, hit the brakes. He and Larry were arrested and taken in. The offending driver was charged with hit-and-run, or at least hit and attempted run. Larry was charged with a firearms offense. His beloved Colt Gold Cup was confiscated and he spent a night in the slammer. In the subsequent court hearing, his concealed weapons permit was rescinded and I believe he also had to pay a stiff fine. He also receive a severe dressing down from the judge, who pointed out to him that, although he had aided the police in stopping a law-breaker from escaping, a dented fender did not warrant the use of lethal force, and if he had actually shot someone, he would have been charged with murder. Somewhere in the back of Larry's mind—he wanted to shoot someone! Thinking about the implications of all this, I didn't renew my concealed weapons permit when it came due and my guns are safely locked up, and I did not renew my NRA membership. And I don't go out deliberately looking for trouble. Don Firth P. S. The Second Amendment reads, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." In NO WAY did my friend Larry—or George Zimmerman—constitute a "well regulated militia." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: beardedbruce Date: 02 Apr 12 - 04:38 PM I was going to comment on the inaccurate statistiscs of a previous post, but the Mod has removed it. Glad to know we can have faith that the Mod will make sure the discussion is only about the "proper" side of things. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Greg F. Date: 02 Apr 12 - 02:36 PM Yeah, what a bunch of fun folks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: meself Date: 02 Apr 12 - 02:29 PM "The South has always been a bit weird about all that stuff." Yeah, slavery, Jim Crow, lynching, segregation, no-fault murder - what a wacky place! Aw, but what can ya do! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 02 Apr 12 - 01:42 PM Thanks, DD. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Desert Dancer Date: 02 Apr 12 - 01:28 PM The New York Times has three items up at the moment that I think are good. - A very lengthy and fair rundown (7 screens worth) of the case to date: Race, Tragedy and Outrage Collide After a Shot in Florida; not every bit of data that is public at the moment, but a balanced presentation, and more in some areas than I had read before. - A critique of the polarization in the media/social media reaction to the case: The Media Equation A Shooting, and Instant Polarization - An thought provoking op-ed by Bill Keller against "hate crimes" laws: Tyler and Trayvon; comments worth reading, as well. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 02 Apr 12 - 01:11 PM "".....but remember, 'justice' may not find him 'guilty', as well. Leave that up to the courts...."" If the local redneck, cracker, law enforcement have their way the courts will never get the chance to judge. You really need to get your sight and hearing checked, Gone from Sanitorium. The whole of this thread is about GETTING him into court so that a jury CAN weigh the evidence. Bobert is right! If Trayvon Martin had killed George Zimmerman (happy now Songwronger?) he would already be awaiting trial, refused bail and held in custody, no matter what the evidence, or lack of it. Your attitude is to give the public time to get tired of the whole thing, so the local law can quietly push it under the carpet. That way nobody gets justice. US local sheriff departments already have a world wide reputation for corruption on a grand scale (deserved or not, who knows). Do you really think they are covering themselves with glory in Sanford? Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Bobert Date: 02 Apr 12 - 01:09 PM The "castle laws" allow you to defend yourself... Period... They do not allow you to confront and/or threaten people people and then kill them claiming self defense... Zimmerman initiated the contact... That is not even questioned... What part of the law doesn't the prosecutor understand??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Apr 12 - 12:11 PM Well, in that case, I guess I can't agree with Richard on this one?? ..and as so far as the Greensboro Massacre, do you want to charge Zimmerman with that, too? Obviously, Florida law is different than N.C. law...get over it, and wait, for the wheels of time to grind fine. Look, I tend to agree that there should have been an arrest of some sort...any sort...shit, make something up.....but according to Florida law, it should at least stick..don't you think???? (Well maybe not, but that's besides the point). The South has always been a bit weird about all that stuff....but, that being said, it's hard to tell if you are blowing Southern hot air...or just whistling Dixie! Let's just hope, that if and when charges are filed, that they can make them stick, under their statutes....fair enough? It would be a real mess, if they couldn't...wouldn't you say? Be patient. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Bobert Date: 02 Apr 12 - 10:59 AM Of course you do, GfinS... Richard was making a joke but since you apparently have had your sense of humor disconnected for non payment it is understandable that you missed the humor in Richard's post... BTW, they fully investigated the Greensboro Massacre for years until people just gave up ever seeing justice prevail... Here's the ***real*** question here... If Martin had killed Zimmerman claiming self defense where would Martin be now??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Apr 12 - 10:37 AM Richard Bridge: "Hey Bobster - that sounds kinda uppity to me." Well, probably for the first time, I tend to agree with Richard Bridge. It also takes a 'judgement' to arrest someone....and the way people are treating this, is more like an arrest or trial don't even seem necessary, just take him out and lynch the guy. ....and Bruce is also correct. The info that we are getting is skewed, depending on the audience. I say, let it play out..sooner or later, the truth may come out, and justice may be served.....but remember, 'justice' may not find him 'guilty', as well. Leave that up to the courts....and if, according to Florida law, if the CAN charge him with charges that would stick, and hold up. Think ahead, now for a moment....Could you imagine if this went to court, without DUE process, and a COMPLETE investigation, but only an emotionally charged re-action, and he was acquitted??? The uproar would turn even Bobert's armpit hair grey!! What will probably come out of this may be a revision of the 'Stand Your Ground' law...and of course, and the usual emotionally charged debate about gun laws. ...and as someone mentioned earlier, '..a distraction, while the government is pulling a 'fast one' on us again! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Richard Bridge Date: 02 Apr 12 - 10:09 AM Hey Bobster - that sounds kinda uppity to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Bobert Date: 02 Apr 12 - 09:29 AM No one here is judging Zimmerman, bb... What folks, including me, are saying there is sufficient "evidence" to arrest Zimmerman, charge him with murder, and let the jury or judge wade thru the incident... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: beardedbruce Date: 02 Apr 12 - 09:20 AM It would be nice if those judging Zimmerman would at least look at the real evidence, and not the media doctored ( by BOTH sides) versions. "2. NBC told the Washington Post that it has launched an internal investigation of the "Today" show's editorial process after its morning show aired an edited conversation between George Zimmerman and a 911 dispatcher recorded moments before the shooting. The investigation came after Fox News and others pointed out that the network spliced two parts of the call together, making it appear as if Zimmerman had said, "This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black." In reality, Zimmerman was answering a dispatcher's question: Zimmerman: This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about. Dispatcher: OK, and this guy--is he black, white or Hispanic? Zimmerman: He looks black." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Apr 12 - 01:09 AM Your tax dollars at work! As far as the Obama thing...or any of them for that matter, FORGET what they rhetorically say, try relating to what they DO!.... They are both extensions of the SAME people...and those people are not us! Until then, in regards to the Martin Zimmerman case, be PATIENT, and don't lose your heads, or common sense. Maybe even send up a prayer for the Martin family... Maybe even a prayer for PATIENCE... Maybe even just a prayer... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: katlaughing Date: 02 Apr 12 - 12:05 AM Keep it up, folks, and watch another thread devolve. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Bobert Date: 01 Apr 12 - 10:32 PM There's a reason why he's the song"wronger", Sins... He is clueless... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Apr 12 - 10:27 PM Songwronger, you're on some strange drugs that give you a distorted view of the world. Do you write news stories for Faux news? SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,999 Date: 01 Apr 12 - 06:44 PM Songwronger, every now and then you should see your proctologist to have your vision checked. This has NOTHING at all to do with Obama (whom I do not like almost as much as you). It has to do with a guy who shot another guy, period. The circumstances are what's in question; them and the validity of Justice in the USA. This shit's been going on for hundreds of years, and to try moving the discussion in another direction is not at all cool. Blues: If I ever hit the lottery, I will buy a clock shop and pay you (lugubriously) to wind the clocks on a daily basis. I don't think you're as bad as you try to present yourself, so don't prove me wrong on that. Please. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Songwronger Date: 01 Apr 12 - 06:15 PM It's interesting to scan down and see how people refer to the two principals in this story. "Trayvon" shows closeness, "Zimmerman" shows distancing. It's also interesting that any of you would give a damn about this story. It's government hype. Obama's a disaster as president, so something has to be done to get voters' minds off the election. Play the race card. So shameless. Obama's a fascist. If he squirms his way into another term he'll "reluctantly" sign the Ryan legislation to do away with food stamps and medicaid. He'll raise the retirement age on Social Security and raise the age at which you can collect medicaire. MILLIONS of Americans will die because of this, and Obama'll shuffle around and say it was the Republicans, and he's just so damn hand-tied, but if he had a son he'd look like Trayvon. Man. Think of how many kids Obama's killed in Libya, and in Mexico with his gunrunning. How many people will die this summer when the Trayvon Brigades (feds) show up at the OWS events and start what the government-controlled media will refer to as "race riots"? Why the hell enable this crap? Nothing to see here. Move along. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: katlaughing Date: 01 Apr 12 - 04:53 PM Meanwhile, here's another one where justice may prevail. Sounds as though it should never have happened: Elderly & Ill Ex-Marine Shot in Home and a petition which one may sign calling for justice: HERE. There are video and audio tapes of the whole thing according to what I've read. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST Date: 01 Apr 12 - 04:48 PM From the Orlando Sentinel, concerning the charge of manslaughter - quite regardless of the SYG law: "One witness could be Trayvon's 16-year-old girlfriend. An attorney for Trayvon's family said the girl was on the phone with him, heard someone ask the teen, 'What are you doing around here?' then heard what sounded like a shove, and the phone line went dead. [The police arrived about one minute later; Martin was already dead.] "Prosecutors would have to prove...that Zimmerman set into motion an unbroken chain of events that he should have known had a reasonable chance of leading to someone's death." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Desert Dancer Date: 01 Apr 12 - 03:30 PM Getting dizzy watching this thread circle the drain. A grand jury will convene on April 10 if nothing happens sooner. Meanwhile, and interesting analysis of historical context here: In Florida, a Death Foretold. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Richard Bridge Date: 01 Apr 12 - 02:58 PM It seems to me that Martin's "attack" was actually self defence. What do you call attacking an armed man who is stalking you (other than "risky")? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Jeri Date: 01 Apr 12 - 02:54 PM From Fox "News": An expert in forensic voice identification analyzing the 911 recordings in the Trayvon Martin case for the Orlando Sentinel tells the paper that it is likely not Martin's shooter, George Zimmerman, heard calling for help.--more is at the link. At this point, the charges of racism have to be seriously investigated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Apr 12 - 02:42 PM Surely it isn't a matter of whether Zimmerman killed the boy he was stalking because he was a racist or for some other reason, such as self-defence, but of whether the failure to press any charges against him for the killing was because the police were racist? It's conceivable that this was an act of justifiable self-defence, or a tragic misunderstanding in which Trayvon was himself was defending himself against what he perceived was a stalker. Or perhaps it was indeed a case of a one-man lynch mob. But without some kind of legak process it's left hanging in the air. Rushing to judgement in front of a computer screen is always a mistake - but wanting to see the facts thrashed out in court isn't a case of that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Bluesman Date: 01 Apr 12 - 01:13 PM Let the facts speak for themselves. Martin attacked Zimmerman by every account we have so far. Punched him down then while pinning him to the ground was repeatedly banging his head into the deck. The police reported Zimmerman had a broken nose, injuries to the back of his head, and stains on the back of his clothes - very consistent. His lawyers indicate that Zimmerman never said any racial slur. In fact Zimmerman claims that he used the world goon. I actually listened to cleaned up police call via CNN broadcast that Zimmerman made that supposedly contained the "coon" slur and I didn't hear it. And there's a eyewitness who corroborates Zimmerman's version of events. Seems that was good enough for the police, cause they let him go that night. We'll see - but so far it looks like Martin was the aggressor here. Not to burst any Lib bubbles here but it appears Zimmerman mentors two black kids whose mother is a strong defender of Zimmerman and today a black friend of Zimmerman defended him completely. I wonder how Zimmerman is now being labeled racist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Richard Bridge Date: 01 Apr 12 - 12:52 PM I have not yet seen any evidence that Trayvon Martin was a thug. Is there any? I have seen evidence that Zimmerman, even if not convicted, was. There was no reason Martin should not have been in the gated area. He was a guest of people who lived there. A sign on the gate that said "No Blacks" would have been illegal. At a very quick glance the principal alleged support for Zimmerman is coming from the lunatic right and god-botherers who appear to believe that god was white. Just a quick glance. Thousands however are expected to rally to ask why Zimmerman is not yet set to be tried - when his story can be tested. Even if Zimmerman did have a broken nose and an injury to his head, remember that an unarmed teenager was being stalked by an armed man much heavier and more powerful than him. If Trayvon Martin did use force it seems well within the bounds of reasonable force to me. Shooting him was not a reasonable response. I know that's not the US law, but it weighs with me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: bobad Date: 01 Apr 12 - 12:52 PM Trayvon had as much right to be in that "gated area" as did Zimmerman. He also had the right to be walking in the street without being stalked by a a violent, armed nutjob. As a matter of fact it could be said that he was standing his ground against an attack from Zimmerman. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Bluesman Date: 01 Apr 12 - 12:31 PM Sadly it is unfortunate that George was forced to protect himself and his property from a thug,it was a gated area after all. It can literally mean the difference of being taken away on a stretcher or accused of a crime other that in this case, self defence. I am so glad to see so many Americans coming out in support of George. My hope is it stays out of the media, that way it will soon blow over, old news doesn't bring people onto the streets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Bobert Date: 01 Apr 12 - 12:29 PM It ain't "playing the race card" to point out racism... No "play" about it... Just like there was no "play" in the murder of Emmett Till or the civil rights workers murdered while trying to register black voters in the South... No play about them either... Just racism and hate... Might of fact, bluesamn, take your theories about playing the race card" to any southern black community where rural people still play the real blues at picnics and juke joints... You, with your 24K racism do not deserve to call yourself a "bluesman"... Klansman??? Yeah...Bluesman??? No... You disrespect the folks who invented the blues... Square business... B~ (a real bluesman) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Apr 12 - 11:50 AM Nope. Zimmerman was stalking Trayvon. Stalking is illegal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Bluesman Date: 01 Apr 12 - 11:43 AM God how boring people love to play the race card at every stroke, he was a thug, red, white or yellow, he was a thug with a history. He attacked George, he defended himself, story over. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Bobert Date: 01 Apr 12 - 10:51 AM Yes, the injustice system is trying to run out the clock and banking on the American's people's short attention span... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: meself Date: 01 Apr 12 - 09:59 AM There are those who are unwilling or unable to acknowledge that it was the general public who dug up this case from the shallow grave in which "the justice system" had buried it. There is no reason to believe this same "justice system" will now do its job without being constantly reminded that it is under intense public scrutiny. So, we should not be willing to just forget the matter and blindly trust that the same functionaries who botched the job the first time around will get it right this time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Bobert Date: 01 Apr 12 - 08:28 AM Yeah b-bad... The evidence is stacking up like cord wood... Meanwhile, the prosecutor is "still watching"... As I have wondered all along, I wonder if Mr. Still Watching would be watching if it was Martin who shot Zimmerman claiming self defense... Every day that goes by without an arrest warrant is another day that Jim Crow has a smile on his face... Very much looking like the 1979 Greensboro Massacre where the KKK gunned down peaceful civil rights protesters and no one was charged because the KKK said it felt threatened... Fuck!!! The protesters were marching down an open streets and the KKK was set up behind their pickup trucks with their guns... No charges... Justice doesn't always work given time... Injustice does... Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,999 Date: 01 Apr 12 - 08:04 AM Dammit, bobad, there you go again confusing the issue with facts . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: bobad Date: 01 Apr 12 - 07:37 AM So, it now appears that Georgie Zimmerman is a liar as well as a murderer - surprise, surprise: Forensic experts: Zimmerman was not crying for help on 911 tapes Two forensic voice experts have told The Orlando Sentinel Saturday that neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman was not the voice crying for help in the 911 calls after he shot Trayvon Martin. Tom Owen, a forensic consultant for Owen Forensic Services LLC and a court-qualified expert witness, used software called Easy Voice Biometrics to compare Zimmerman's voice to the 911 calls with cries in the background after the shooting on February 26th. "I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else," Owen said. "As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman." Another expert, Ed Primeau of Michigan, used audio enhancement and human analysis to also determined that it was the slain teenager's voice instead of his shooter. "I believe that's Trayvon Martin in the background, without a doubt," Primeau told The Orlando Sentinel. "That's a young man screaming." The Raw Story |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Apr 12 - 01:37 AM SRS,During a period in her life, she wrote this....and was one of her best , and I had the privilege to made made her acquaintance...am even pictured with her, in one of her songbooks....and so many never even heard it...but, I did post it here, in Mudcat Forum...CRAFT!!! Just thought I'd put it in here, again, for the peace, and thought that she relates. Enjoy!! GfS |