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Northerner 02 Apr 12 - 08:16 AM
Jack Campin 02 Apr 12 - 08:35 AM
Scabby Douglas 02 Apr 12 - 09:08 AM
Northerner 02 Apr 12 - 09:12 AM
Scabby Douglas 02 Apr 12 - 09:12 AM
Northerner 02 Apr 12 - 09:24 AM
Sailor Ron 02 Apr 12 - 09:32 AM
Owen Woodson 02 Apr 12 - 09:57 AM
Northerner 02 Apr 12 - 10:03 AM
Jack Campin 02 Apr 12 - 10:15 AM
Dave Hanson 02 Apr 12 - 10:35 AM
Bobert 02 Apr 12 - 11:04 AM
GUEST 02 Apr 12 - 11:09 AM
Morris-ey 02 Apr 12 - 11:27 AM
Jack Campin 02 Apr 12 - 11:36 AM
Northerner 02 Apr 12 - 12:36 PM
JedMarum 02 Apr 12 - 12:40 PM
Northerner 02 Apr 12 - 01:02 PM
Mark Ross 02 Apr 12 - 02:49 PM
Bert 02 Apr 12 - 03:14 PM
GUEST,petecockermouth 02 Apr 12 - 03:36 PM
Leadfingers 02 Apr 12 - 05:47 PM
Jack Campin 02 Apr 12 - 05:57 PM
Northerner 02 Apr 12 - 07:09 PM
GUEST,Mike Yates 03 Apr 12 - 02:08 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Apr 12 - 05:34 AM
Northerner 03 Apr 12 - 12:59 PM
GUEST,Van 04 Apr 12 - 03:38 AM
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Subject: Political songs
From: Northerner
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 08:16 AM

A new monthly venue has started in my area. It's not a folk club but a venue to promote political ideas using words and music. They prefer material with a political slant but will accept material that is non-political. I've asked for a short spot; this is to gain more experience. I'm considering doing The Jute Mill Song and The Dalesman's Litany. I believe these fit in well with the ideas in spite of not being contemporary. I also write poetry but don't have anything political.

If these go down well are there other songs that might fit? I have a copy of the Iron Muse CD.


This is a good audience, they are keen and attentive and appreciative. Above The Parapet, Thursday, 7.30 pm, Westgarth Social Club, Middlesbrough.


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 08:35 AM

The Bottom 99


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Scabby Douglas
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 09:08 AM

The Pound a Week Rise


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Northerner
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 09:12 AM

Thank you Jack. I don't know that one; it sounds promising. I imagine there is plenty of material out there and I am keen to add to my reportoire. Thank you very much.


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Scabby Douglas
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 09:12 AM

Or if I may be immodest for a moment.. Coming Home


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Northerner
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 09:24 AM

Thank you Scabby! Some good songs there! My parents were Scots and I lived in Scotland when I was younger; I love singing Scottish songs. Brilliant! Sharing is what Mudcat does so well.


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Sailor Ron
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 09:32 AM

Not contempory but there's Peterloo {Harvey Kershaw's] & With Henry Hunt we'll go [also about Peterloo], and of course When the King comes home in peace again.


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 09:57 AM

I'm involved with a radical folk club, so it's a case of fraternal greetings from us here in Liverpool to all the radical folks in Middlesborough.

I really wouldn't be worried about singing traditional songs in such an environment. I do and nobody's assassinated me yet. But pick ones with a good hard social message, and be prepared to explain their history. And if you can link them to contemporary events and struggles, you're really flying.

Regarding sources, I would raid A.L. Lloyd's Come All You Bold Miners and Sam Richards' and Tish Stubbs The English Folksinger. Also, Roy Palmer's A Touch on the Times, although you'd be advised to steer clear of some of the dross which appears in that volume.

Also, I'd guess that Working Songs: Industrial Ballads and Poems from Britain and Ireland, 1780s-1980s, again by Roy Palmer would be a good choice. However, I haven't caught up with that one yet, so please don't quote me.

Finally, there's a lot of contemporary songs out there which lend themselves to folk/traditional type treatment. I'm thinking particularly of compositions by Ewan MacColl, Eric Bogle etc. But there are many more by unknown/lesser known writers. You've just got to find them.


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Northerner
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 10:03 AM

Thank you both. Some really helpful resources. One of the organisers, another lady, sang a folk song last time, so I will conact her and tell her about this thread; she may find it helpful too.


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 10:15 AM

More contemporary songs:

Leon Rosselson: Song of the Olive Tree

or

Alistair Hulett: He Fades Away


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 10:35 AM

Get a Copy of Karl Dallas's 100 Songs Of Toil and or The Big Red Songbook.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 11:04 AM

A couple of oldies:

"For What it's Worth"

"Masters of War"

Google Jim Page and check out his stuff...

Also Mark Germino's "Economics" (Rat 'n the Snake)

B~


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 11:09 AM

Lots and lots of homework! Thsnk you all, this is very helpful.


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Morris-ey
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 11:27 AM

I assume it is left wing rather than fascist songs - but then why should that be the case in this free world?


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 11:36 AM

Because the free world isn't.


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Northerner
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 12:36 PM

Yes, it is indeed left wing. I think the audience has probably just come for a good evening out so I will have to be careful not to be overtly political. I am liberal rather than socialist. I will choose songs I love and believe in.


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: JedMarum
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 12:40 PM

The South Wind


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Northerner
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 01:02 PM

Thank you Jed.


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Mark Ross
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 02:49 PM

Check out Utah Phillips' I WILL NOT OBEY

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Bert
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 03:14 PM

Here's a few.

Joe Hill
The Red Flag
The Harry Pollitt song
The March of the Workers
The D Day Dodgers
Free Beer for all the Workers


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 03:36 PM

dick gaughan's 'handful of earth' and 'what you got?'- can't remember the writer but a great song and maybe easier for a liberal than some of his - 'John MacLean's march' a beautiful song about a socialist hero coming back to the clyde. i can't remember who called the clash the greatest folk band we have (or had) but there is plenty there to choose from that i would like to hear in a folk club -you could try joe strummer's 'bhindi bhagee' a very warm and jolly song with an inclusive, internationalist message. and there's always the internationale - though like the marseillaise the tune is probably better than the lyrics (unless you are backed by a couple of hundred soviet sailors)
peace, love and revolution -pete


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 05:47 PM

Any of Robb Johnston's CDs have there share of Left Wing Social Comment songs as well as lot of other bloody good stuff !!


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 05:57 PM

More American stuff: look up Anne Feeney, on YouTube and her own site. (Motto: "comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable"). Unlike a lot of political singers, her stuff is wonderfully upbeat.


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Northerner
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 07:09 PM

Thank you all so much! These songs look really interesting.


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: GUEST,Mike Yates
Date: 03 Apr 12 - 02:08 AM

Some years ago I wrote an article called "Stand Up You Men of Labour - The Socio-Political Songs of Walter Pardon". It's on the Musical Traditions web-site and may be of interest.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE MEETING AT PETERLOO
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Apr 12 - 05:34 AM

Nice historical piece here - came from a song-sheet in the home of Eddie and Ruth Frow, the founders of the Working Class Library in Salford
Jim Carroll

THE MEETING AT PETERLOO

Come lend an ear of pity while I my tale do tell.
It happened at Manchester a place you know right well.
For to redress our wants and woes reformers took their ways,
A lawful meeting being called upon a certain day.

The sixteenth day of August eighteen hundred and nineteen
There many thousand people on every road were seen
From Stockport, Oldham, Ashton and from other places too,
It was the largest meeting that reformers ever knew.

Brave Hunt he was appointed that day to take the chair.
At one-o-clock he did arrive, our shouts did rend the air.
Some females fair in white and green close by the hustings stood
And little did we all expect to see such scenes of blood.

Scarcely had Hunt begun to speak: Be firm, he said, My friends.
But little still did we expect what was to be the end
For around us all so hard and cruel regardless of our woes
Our enemies surrounded us on the plains of Peterloo.

The soldiers came unto the ground and thousands tumbled down
And many armless females lay bleeding on the ground.
No time for flight was gave to us, still every road we fled.
There were such heaps were trampled down, some wounded and some dead.

Brave Hunt was then arrested and several others too.
They marched us to the New Bailey, believe me, it is true
And numbers there was wounded and many there was slain
Which makes the friends of those dear souls so loudly to complain.

Oh God above look down on those for Thou art just and true
And those that can no mercy show thy vengeance is their due.
Now quit this hateful mournful scene, look forward with this hope
That every murderer in this land may swing upon a rope.

But soon reform shall spread around for sand with the tide won't stay.
May all the filth that's in the land right soon be washed away.
And may sweet harmony from hence in this our land be found
May we with plenty all be blessed in all the country round.


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Northerner
Date: 03 Apr 12 - 12:59 PM

Thank you all. You've given me plenty to think about.


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: GUEST,Van
Date: 04 Apr 12 - 03:38 AM

Freedom come all ye by Hamish Henderson would be good. You'll probably find a recording by Dick Gaughan.


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Northerner
Date: 04 Apr 12 - 05:08 AM

Thank you, yes I know that one. I have sent the link to my friend at Above The Parapet and she is very interested.


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Ged Fox
Date: 04 Apr 12 - 04:02 PM

Sing a song of Europe, highly civilised;
Four and twenty nations completely hypnotised.
When the battle opens, the guns begin to sing.
Isn't that a silly thing to do for any king?

The King is in the background, issuing commands;
The Queen is in the parlour, by etiquette's demands;
Thw bankers in the counting house, busy multiplying;
The common people at the Front, doing all the dying.


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Northerner
Date: 04 Apr 12 - 05:11 PM

Oh that's good! I'm really enjoying checking out these songs. Thank you.


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Apr 12 - 06:49 PM

If you fancy something a bit more controversial. Heres my song. I think its why the BNP may have targetted me setting up crazy websites with me an Nick Griffin side by side on Twitter.

http://www.bigalwhittle.co.uk/id35.html

Course I doubt it counts as folk music.


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Stringsinger
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 10:15 AM

One of the high water marks of political song in my opinion is Woody Guthrie's
"Ludlow Massacre" which recounts the famous Colorado coal mining strike. It was
the impetus for the career of Howard Zinn and his book "The People's History of
the United States".


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 12:10 PM

WW2 parody from memory - learned from MacColl

That lovely night, the night we met, There were whistling bombs in the air; No bankers dining at the Ritz And the refugees slept in Berkely Square.

It may be right, it may be wrong, But the newspapers say it's no lie; The rich mens' children sailed away And left all the workers' kids to die.

Would agree with Stringsinger's choice, though Ludlow is neck-and-neck with Deportees IMO Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Political songs
From: Northerner
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 07:18 PM

Thank you all. You've given me some interesting ideas to follow up. I've just returned from Above The Parapet; Jill had read this thread and checked out the songs suggested. It was a successful evening. They are getting good audiences, and more requests for floor spots than they can use in one eveving. Eeveryone is friendly. My two songs, The Jute Mill Song, and The Dalesman's Litany were well received, the latter particularly so. I've bought a ticket to see Leon Rosselson performing locally soon. A very satisfying evening


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