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goatfell 14 Apr 12 - 04:55 AM
Big Al Whittle 14 Apr 12 - 05:52 AM
DMcG 14 Apr 12 - 06:07 AM
GUEST,Suibhne Astray 14 Apr 12 - 06:08 AM
GUEST,Ed 14 Apr 12 - 06:16 AM
DMcG 14 Apr 12 - 06:25 AM
JHW 14 Apr 12 - 06:26 AM
Dave Earl 14 Apr 12 - 06:37 AM
GUEST,Bluesman 14 Apr 12 - 06:45 AM
goatfell 14 Apr 12 - 07:40 AM
GUEST 14 Apr 12 - 07:46 AM
goatfell 14 Apr 12 - 08:17 AM
Charley Noble 14 Apr 12 - 08:26 AM
Big Al Whittle 14 Apr 12 - 09:46 AM
Will Fly 14 Apr 12 - 10:00 AM
Megan L 14 Apr 12 - 10:21 AM
Charley Noble 14 Apr 12 - 11:51 AM
artbrooks 14 Apr 12 - 01:40 PM
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Subject: sinking of the titanic
From: goatfell
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 04:55 AM

toady is 100th annoversey of thew sinking of the titanic just a thought.


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Subject: RE: sinking of the titanic
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 05:52 AM

You mean it sank....how awful! I must write an up to the minute, challenging, edgy folksong.   I really hope a lot of people don't get killed in the first world war. Otherwise I will have take up my pen and guitar again to tell the world we should be moved, and learn profound lessons before we can move on as a civilisation.


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Subject: RE: sinking of the titanic
From: DMcG
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 06:07 AM

From a Southampton report:

Although the story of the Titanic has captured and held on to the imagination of the world for 100 years, it is not always remembered that most of the crew lived in Southampton, and that 549 people from the town, nearly all of them breadwinners, were lost with the ship.

At the nearby Northam primary school, in the area where many crew members had homes, its said that "there was not one child who hadn't lost a father, mother, aunt, uncle, brother or sister with Titanic."

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I was at an excellent show on Wednesday {"Lookout! Southampton's Titanic Story in Song" - CD available} when the actual statistics were given. It was quick, so I don't have them precisely but there were approximately 250 children at that school, and 126 or so lost their father in the sinking.


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Subject: RE: sinking of the titanic
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 06:08 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lq-cqHXJnw


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Subject: RE: sinking of the titanic
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 06:16 AM

toady is 100th annoversey of thew sinking of the titanic

No it isn't. It was the 15th April.


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Subject: RE: sinking of the titanic
From: DMcG
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 06:25 AM

A little hair-splitting, Ed. Do you count the sinking from the impact or when it actually went down?

I'm not from Southampton originally, but I think this song from 'Lookout!' answers Al's comment

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April in Southampton © Brian Hooper 2009

When it's April in Southampton we remember long ago
When the news came in that none would want to hear.
Though there's no-one left to tell it who would personally know,
There's a feature in the paper every year.
We read about the iceberg and the hundreds who were drowned,
We read about the ones who made it home,
And all the sad statistics of the men of our home town
And their families, so suddenly alone.
And you ask why we don't celebrate the day
With dancing on the dockside and a firework display.
So many of our great-grandfathers didn't get away,
We remember, we don't celebrate the day.

Well, the stokers and the engineers, they died the first of all,
They never stood the faintest of a chance;
The carpenters, the caterers, the washers-up and all,
And you reckon we should make a song and dance?
We had widows, we had orphans, and survivors racked with pain,
The burden of good fortune hard to bide;
Every April in Southampton we remember once again
The ones who went to work and there they died.
And you ask why we don't celebrate the day
With a son et lumiere and a firework display.
So many of our great-grandfathers didn't get away,
We remember, we don't celebrate the day.

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The show, and the feeling in Southampton, is not really about the ship at all. It's about how the arrival of the ship brought the promise of employment to the area, and about the effects of sinking on peoples lives afterwards. Do not forget that there's plenty of sons and daughters of those Northam primary school children around in Southampton today.


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Subject: RE: sinking of the titanic
From: JHW
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 06:26 AM

Is this pushing your luck?


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Subject: RE: sinking of the titanic
From: Dave Earl
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 06:37 AM

Well to be correct the striking with the iceberg was:-

". On 14 April 1912, four days into the crossing and about 375 miles (600 km) south of Newfoundland, she hit an iceberg at 11:40 pm (ship's time; GMT−3). "

So the sinking (2.5 hours later ) was 15/4 "Ships time" but as that was GMT-3 it was still 14/4 in UK.

So 14th on UK time is correct and USA time 15th.

Which side (of the pond) are you on boys?, which side are you on?

Dave


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Subject: RE: sinking of the titanic
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 06:45 AM

Sick listening to all the hype about this. Built by bigots in a Belfast shipyard who chalked "No Pope here" on the stern to reflect in the water. It sank, story over.

Last night we saw two women crying uncontrollably about their great great grandfathers who were both lost on it. unlikely they would remember them, then again, both looked like Walnut Whips, so they could have.


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Subject: RE: sinking of the titanic
From: goatfell
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 07:40 AM

Ok I got it wrong it's tomorrow the ship sank,


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Subject: RE: sinking of the titanic
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 07:46 AM

This thread seems to be going down well!!


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Subject: RE: sinking of the titanic
From: goatfell
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 08:17 AM

Aye I know but you get people on this webpage how are just fun of the dead people or splitting hairs , becuase 1500 people died, aye very funny isn't it.


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Subject: RE: sinking of the titanic
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 08:26 AM

Goatfell-

It might have gone better to have revived one of the many old Titanic threads, or not.

Yes, it's still sad...

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: sinking of the titanic
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 09:46 AM

yeh very sad....still its not like we haven't had time to get over it. Probably more people got murdered in Syria last week.


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Subject: RE: sinking of the titanic
From: Will Fly
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 10:00 AM

It's odd how the Titanic story seems to be the one that sticks in the public's memory. All ship sinkings are horribly sad so, for example, we could remember the sinking of the main English fleet off the Scilly Isles in 1707 - when Admiral Sir Cloudesley Shovell lost all his ships and over 2,000 men - all through navigational error.

I had uncles who, over and over again, braved the terrors of the Atlantic and Russian convoys in WW2 - horrors indeed - and they both survived. The constant media hype about (and money-making on the back of) the loss of the Titanic is a little wearisome.


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Subject: RE: sinking of the titanic
From: Megan L
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 10:21 AM

Mv Dona Paz 20th December 1987 4341 dead                
Ss Kyanga 4th december 1948 between 2750 –3920 died
Ss Motn Blanc 6th December 1917 2000 died
Le Joola 26th September 2002 1800 died
SS Sultana April 27th 1865 1800 died
Tek Sing 6th February 1822 1600 died
And the list goes on What makes Titanic stick out from most of the others was this new fangled communications system that sent the news round the world.


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Subject: RE: sinking of the titanic
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 11:51 AM

Add the "Wreck of the Birkenhead" to the list:

The Birkenhead was a British paddle-wheel frigate of 1400 tons. On the 26th of February, 1852, she struck a submerged rock off Danger Point, South Africa. This disaster has secured a place in history due to the gallantry of her soldiers who, in the face of great danger, urged the women and children to escape in the boats before trying to save themselves. In the tragedy 445 People lost their lives. 193 people, including all the women and children, survived. This disaster is seen as the start of the naval tradition "Women and children first!"

And I just got a bad splinter from working on my boat!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: sinking of the titanic
From: artbrooks
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 01:40 PM

My wife's great-uncle was a White Star Line orchestra member who was supposed to be on the Titanic. He switched at the last minute with a friend who needed the trip/pay. He jumped ship a year or so later in New York...I guess that makes him an illegal immigrant.


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Subject: RE: sinking of the titanic
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 02:16 PM

There is a plaque commemorating the musicians of the Titanic in the entrance foyer of the Philharmonic Hall, Hope Stereet, Liverpool.

http://www.titanictown.plus.com/titanictown/titanic_band_memorial.htm

I discovered it by accident when I was picking up a friend after the Christy Moore concert there last Saturday. The wording follows:-

THIS TABLET IS DEDICATED TO THE MEMORY
OF
W.HARTLEY OF DEWSBURY
-BANDMASTER-

W.T.BRAILEY OF LONDON
R.BRICOUX OF LILLE,FRANCE
J.F.CLARKE OF LIVERPOOL
J.L.HUME OF DUMFRIES
G. KRINS OF LIEGE, BELGIUM
P.C.TAYLOR OF LONDON
J.W.WOODWARD OF HEADINGTON

MEMBERS OF THE BAND ON BOARD
THE "TITANIC"; THEY BRAVELY
CONTINUED PLAYING TO SOOTHE THE
ANGUISH OF THEIR FELLOW PASSENGERS
UNTIL THE SHIP SANK IN THE DEEP
APRIL 14TH 1912.

COURAGE AND COMPASSION JOINED
MAKE THE HERO AND THE MAN COMPLETE


And another in Southampton:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic_Musicians%27_Memorial,_Southampton

Ross


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