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Origins: Our ship lies in harbour

Richard Bridge 18 May 12 - 11:11 AM
Richard Bridge 18 May 12 - 11:19 AM
RTim 18 May 12 - 11:41 AM
Reinhard 18 May 12 - 01:58 PM
Dave Hanson 18 May 12 - 02:41 PM
Richard Bridge 18 May 12 - 03:40 PM
MGM·Lion 13 Mar 16 - 07:21 AM
Steve Gardham 13 Mar 16 - 03:14 PM
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Subject: Origins: Our ship lies in harbour
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 May 12 - 11:11 AM

Not in the DT, discussion about the variation of folk song going on elsewhere, what do we know about this?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Our ship lies in harbour
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 May 12 - 11:19 AM

Material possibly relevant to the words used (added? changed?) by Chris Sarjeant here http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~zierke/peter.bellamy/songs/thebolddragoon.html


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Subject: RE: Origins: Our ship lies in harbour
From: RTim
Date: 18 May 12 - 11:41 AM

Collected twice in Hampshire by Dr. George Gardiner.
Once from William Brown of Cheriton and also Mrs. Edwards of Hartley Whitney.

There 33 examples in the Roud Index and it is Roud 1011.
I first heard the song 40 years ago sung by the group OAK, and have been singing it
ever since.

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Origins: Our ship lies in harbour
From: Reinhard
Date: 18 May 12 - 01:58 PM

I've added Oak's lyrics to Our Good Ship Lies in Harbour.

At first I didn't understand Richard's comment until I found Chris Sarjeant's liner notes: "The main body of the song came from the Lucy Broadwood collection. I felt the story was somewhat incomplete and so added a couple of verses from The Bold Dragoon."


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Subject: RE: Origins: Our ship lies in harbour
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 18 May 12 - 02:41 PM

Mudcat member Bonnie Shaljean did a great recording of this song some years ago, why don't you ask her ?

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Origins: Our ship lies in harbour
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 May 12 - 03:40 PM

Good heavens! Is it in the GardinerMSS? I have a copy and must now go and look...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Our ship lies in harbour
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 07:21 AM

Also on my Youtube channel

http://www.youtube.com/user/mgmyer


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Subject: RE: Origins: Our ship lies in harbour
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 03:14 PM

Re origins, possibly.

The nearest match on broadside 'A New Song called Willy's Return' printed by Moore of Belfast in the Bodl at Harding B26 (686).

However the first verse is also the first verse of broadside ballad 'The Sailor's Lamentation', and 'Johnny and Molly's Parting' has a similar start. Nearly all oral versions use the first line as a title. Gale Huntington in 'Songs of the Whalemen' gives a version from the Journal of The Cortes, 1847. All told a fairly scarce song.


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