Burl changes name

Subject: Burl changes name
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 22 May 12 - 08:16 AM

Hello Fellow 'Catters,
I've grown a little tired of signing myself Burl, so as of now my new Mudcat name is RoyH.

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Leadfingers
Date: 22 May 12 - 08:24 AM

And I NEVER thought 'Burl' would fall out of favour !!

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: EBarnacle
Date: 22 May 12 - 10:04 AM

The beat goes on.

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Splott Man
Date: 22 May 12 - 10:05 AM

Hello Roy.

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 22 May 12 - 10:23 AM

dunno about this breaking with tradition

who's this Roy Harris - is he the bloke who made 'Live at the Lion'? (if I knew how to post smiley faces I'd have the innocent one here)

sandra

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 May 12 - 11:24 AM

A Burl by any other name~~~

Best

~M~

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Wheatman
Date: 22 May 12 - 11:57 AM

gan canny Brian and Christine

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 22 May 12 - 12:30 PM

Yes Sandra, it's the Roy Harris who recorded Live at the Lion... I was one of the lucky people in the Lion function room at the time!

Kitty

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 May 12 - 12:59 PM

Well, Roy, I've often wondered where the name "Burl" came from. It made me think you were a hillbilly from Arkansas or something. I liked the name "Burl," but it didn't seem to fit with the type of music I've heard on your recordings.
So, how did you come up with the name "Burl"?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Bill D
Date: 22 May 12 - 01:47 PM

from Burl Ives?...(some nagging memory told me that)

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: rumanci
Date: 22 May 12 - 02:26 PM

I've always called you Roy anyway! Bye Burl - hello world! I can just hear the harmonies behind you singing away that chorus.
rum xx

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: r.padgett
Date: 22 May 12 - 02:48 PM

Good to know your new "handle" Roy
Roy Harris is one of the first names in the Folk Revival in my view and paved the way for unaccompanied singers in the English/British Tradition of folk song. Worked on recordings with A.L.Lloyd (Bert);~ Cyril Tawney, Bernard Wrigley, Anne Briggs, Ewan MacColl and such notables
Hope you are keeping well Roy

Ray

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 May 12 - 04:55 PM

The great tragedy of Roy Harris is that he never really fulfilled the early promise that we all anticipated after his masterpiece, 'I'm Jake the Peg (la la la - la la la) with an extra leg'

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 23 May 12 - 07:58 AM

Good morning, Roy!

Linn (Tom, too, though he's having problems these days seeing the computer)

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 23 May 12 - 08:11 AM

I remember Roy Harris, who is an extremely amiable man, say that the one thing which pissed him off was MCs' introducing him as "Rolf, sorry, Roy Harris, ladies and gentlemen".

Some say the old jokes are always the best. Others say they are apt to wear just a little too thin. But me I say that if you can't come up with anything better than that, don't try.

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 May 12 - 08:57 AM

If you change the ID you use on an internet forum, you simply create confusion for people reading discussions where you have been referred to by the old one.

Pseudonyms are a dimwitted idea in the first place and changing pseudonyms even more so.

Might have been a better idea to change your real name:

Roy Harris

I heard his Folk Song Symphony when I was in my teens and loved it. There isn't an easily available recording but it looks like Naxos is going to release one.

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 23 May 12 - 11:41 AM

Cheers Jack. I was enjoying this thread until you came in. RoyH

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 May 12 - 12:05 PM

No Roy - the folksong movement needs people like Owen and jack telling us we are dimwits with a poor sense of humour.....

The don't realise that legends of the folkscene like you and me once electrified millions with our performances in Boon. You as boxing referee (special skills waving towel) and me as my oft revisited role (something of a speciality): man in crowd.

You can't blame them. they never fought in the war, never had to make do with jam butties in black and white newsreels...its their world now.

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 May 12 - 12:59 PM

I agree,Roy.
Why is it that two of the most irritating people I have come across on the net live in Edinburgh? it must be something to do with the water supply.
definition of an expert is a drip under pressure.

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: GUEST,Brian Peters
Date: 23 May 12 - 03:16 PM

Burl Ives it was. Roy is a great fan and told me in glowing terms about seeing Mr Ives in concert in Nottingham many years ago. I'm actuallysion of Roy's copy of Burl Ives' Coronation Concert' at the moment, having been loaned it on my last visit to Cardiff. I'm down that way in a couple of weeks for the Gower Festival, Roy, if you're around and receiving visitors.

And I second everything Ray Padgett said!

Brian

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 May 12 - 05:33 PM

I never heard Mr Harris before Mudcat, but I do know I like him. He has a fine sense of humour and a good sense of self, neither under nor overstated. I never cared for Mr Ives--'cept for his Little Bitty Tear song--but I have enjoyed evcery song I've heard from Roy. STYG (my new sign off (So There Ya Go)).

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 May 12 - 05:38 PM

yeh Roy's the goods!

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 24 May 12 - 02:49 AM

And he's a Forest supporter!!

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 May 12 - 03:48 AM

There was something about those Boon episodes - nearly folkie in the Notts/Drby area was there - Hudson, Mick peat, Doug Porter...you couldn't helpthinking. if they'd lendacamera for half an hour - we could make a decent folk programme here.

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 May 12 - 05:24 AM

being a Forest supporter is more sensible than being a County supporter.
mind you when I lived in Nottingham, it was handy having 2 different teams to watch, they generally alternated their matches as regards playing at home, watching county in those days was a bit like an exercise in masochism, they seem to be a bit better these days, and Forest are a bit worse than they were, those were the days when forest had pearce and clough and co

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Jack Campin
Date: 24 May 12 - 05:53 AM

I assumed "burl" WAS Burl Ives when I first saw him posting here - there was nothing in his postings to indicate who he was for the first few years I read his stuff. (I'd underestimated Ives's age by 20 years or so and thought it quite likely he was still alive). I was fairly pissed off to find I'd been misled.

Is "Roy Harris" a stage name borrowed from the American composer?

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 24 May 12 - 08:36 AM

Is Jack Campin a stage name then ?

And if there is an American composer call Roy Harris I've never heard of him, perhaps it's him with a stage name ?

Dave H

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 May 12 - 08:36 AM

jack yo areyou really showing your ignorance or is this a wind up?, Roy Harris is Roys real name, He has been one of the leading unaccompanied singers for many years.
Roy started singing and doing gigs in the early sixties, he has made many lps, and is recognised by most people on the uk folk scene a being a stalwart of the UK Folk singing scene.
Jck, I realise that there are a few people who live in Ivory towers and who are so far up their own backsides, that they are unaware of what has been happening on the UK folk scene 1960, however I find it hard to take your post seriously, and can only assume your post is a wind up or a bit of flaming or trolling.

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 24 May 12 - 08:38 AM

BTW I am well aware of the English singer called Roy Harris, very well like and respected man on the British folk scene for many years.

Dave H

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 May 12 - 08:45 AM

Burl Ives

Burl Icle Ivanhoe Ives (June 14, 1909 – April 14, 1995) was an American actor, writer and folk music singer, if Burl Ives was alive today he would be NEARLY 103, it would be remarkable that he was so computer familiar.I find it unbelievable that Jack was not aware that IVES has been dead for17 years.

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Snuffy
Date: 24 May 12 - 09:00 AM

Dick,

It appears that both Jack and Roy have been posting on Mudcat since 1999: so it may have been not totally unrealistic to think that Ives would still be alive at 90.

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 May 12 - 10:39 AM

All you have to do is google Burl Ives. Jack regularly pronounces on the subject of modesand eastern european music with authority, i find it unbelievable that he had not heard ives was dead or that he did not know of Roy Harris the uk singer.
if it is the case that he had not heard of Roy his folk knowledge must be extremely specialised or limited, he will be telling us he has never heard of Alloyd next,amongst the many thingsRoy has done is recorded with Bertlloyd,and also martin carthy
Roy Harris
ROY HARRIS Champions Of Folly TSDL256
Category: DIGITAL RELEASES

Few singers have such a vigorous, broad-ranging, fresh-sounding repertoire as Roy Harris from Nottingham, and none can handle it more convincingly. Guest musicians include Martin Carthy (guitar, mandola), Bobby Campbell (fiddle) and Vic Gammon (melodeon).
1 The Saucy Bold Robber
2 Bold Lovell
3 Steepleford Town
4 Captain Ward
5 The Methody Parson
6 Caroline and her Young Sailor Bold
7 The Beggar's Song
8 When I was A Little Boy
9 The Dragoon's Ride
10 Cropper Lads
11 The 'Royal Charter'
12 The Topman and the Afterguard
13 The Jovial Hunter
14 Hard Times of Old England

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 May 12 - 11:14 AM

I almost burst my buttons the first time I saw Burl post and he, or someone else, let it be known his real name was Roy Harris. I was puzzled but also excited because the only Roy Harris I know of was the American composer as my brother had been a private student of his when he went to Southern Illinois Uni. That, and I knew he had some compositions for piano which used trad. tunes. My fav. was Black Is The Colour of My True Love's Hair.

Our "Burl" Roy Harris, very kindly, let me know who he was and, of course, the other one had passed away lots earlier, 1979.
Since then, I've had several enjoyable PMs with RoyH and admire and respect him tremendously. I always look for his postings.

Give it a rest, Jack. You've made your point.

Oh, and "welcome" to the Mudcat, RoyH!**bg**

kat

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 May 12 - 11:53 AM

Jack, I doubt Burl Ives ever joined the computer age. He lived in quiet retirement and poor health in Anacortes, Washington until his death in 1995, a couple of years before Mudcat came into what it is today. There are a few mudcatters here who were able to make it to one of his last concerts (I believe my father went with them, I think he told me about it after, but I've also talked with Deckman about it.)

Never assume.

SRS

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: Bill D
Date: 24 May 12 - 12:01 PM

I thoroughly enjoyed hearing...and meeting.. Roy when he came to the USA a few years ago. Went out & bought LPs..... and *I* still sing "Black, white, yellow and green"

(Remember the Red Fox Inn in Bethesda, Maryland, Roy?)

Subject: RE: Burl changes name
From: GMGough
Date: 24 May 12 - 01:02 PM

It is a (relatively) free country of course, but I still can't understand why respected folk singer Roy Harris would choose "Burl" as a nickname/pen-name when repected folksinger Dave Burland is often referred to as "The Burl" - at least in the ever decreasing concentric circles in which I travel.

Burl Ives visited England in 1979 and his concert at Oxford (or part of it) was broadcast by The BBC at the time. I might even have a battered and dusty cassette somewhere.