songs for the queen's big day

Subject: Folklore: songs for the queen's big day
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 01 Jun 12 - 12:27 PM

Just in case you are asked to play the essential play list is here

JUBILEE ROAD

cho: Jubilee road I can hear you callin, Jubilee road I can hear you talkin
Mississippi dream you got me walkin on Jubilee road
Yesterday's gone don't you understand, cottontop's grown to be a man
Big city sidewalk covers the sand on Jubilee road

Yesterday calls and my heart goes back,
Down the Mississippi by the railroad tracks
Where the corn and the taters and the cotton grows on Jubilee
road;
Back home folks used to call me cotton top,
Catching them catfish and skippin them rocks
Lord I'd give everything I got for Jubilee road

Walking down the street to my fishin hole,
Hot sand poppin up between my toes
Heaven was a place I used to know as Jubilee road
Grapevine swinging in the summertime,
laughin and singing with friends of mine
Life was good there all the time,on jubilee road

Now there ain't no cotton and there ain't no corn
Can't find the place where I was born
Everyones gone that i used to know on Jubilee road;
Workin like a fool for a dollar bill
I wanna go home but I never will
And in my mind I live there still on Jubilee road

JUBILEE
(Bill Staines)

cho: Jubilee, wasn't it a jubilee
Jubilee, wasn't it a jubilee
Well they were singin out together, they were shoutin revelry
Jubilee, Lord wasn't it a jubilee

Well they were dancing by the river, they were dancing by the sea
They were bouncing all the babies up and down upon their knee
They were laughing out happy they was cryin out free
Jubilee, Lord wasn't it a jubilee

They was bangin on the banjos they was playin on guitars
They were blowin out the bass notes on the crockery jars
They was slidin on the wadhboards bangin spoons upon their knee
Jubilee, Lord wasn't it a jubilee

They was comin from the valleys they was comin from the towns
They came to see the paddlewheels and the showboat clowns
They was comin from the farm lands they was comin from the sea
Jubilee, Lord wasn't it a jubilee

Now is'nt it a picture all these times gone by
Well he used to tell me stories with a twinkle in his eye
And i wished i could have been there as set upon his knee
Jubilee, Granddad, wasnt it a jubilee

JUBILEE SOVREIGN
as performed by Stanley Holloway

On Jubilee Day the Ramsbottoms
Invited relations to tea,
Including young Albert's grandmother-
An awkward old . . party, was she.
She'd seen Queen Victoria's accession
And `er wedding to Albert (the Good)
But she got quite upset when young Albert
Asked `er `ow she'd got on in the Flood.
She cast quite a damper on't party,
But she warmed up a bit after tea,
And gave Albert a real golden sovereign
She'd been saving since last Jubilee.
It `ad picture of Queen on't one side
And a dragon fight on the reverse,
And it smelled of camphor and cobwebs
Through being so long in `er purse.
Albert `andled the coin, and `e kissed it
And `e felt the rough edge with `is tongue;
For `e knew by the look of `is father
That it wouldn't be `is very long.
"I`ll show you a trick wi' that sovereign,"
Said Pa, `oo were `overin' near-
And `e took and pretended to eat it,
Then brought it back out of `is ear.
This magic filled Albert with wonder,
And before you could say "Uncle Dick",
`E'd got the coin back from `is father
And performed the first part of the trick.
When they all saw where the money `ad gone
With excitement the relatives burned;
And each one suggested some process
For getting the money returned.
Some were for fishing with tweezers,
While some were for shaking it out;
"If we only got back a few shillings,"
They said "`twould be better than nowt."
They tried `olding Albert `ead downward
And giving `is shoulders a clump-
`Till his uncle, `oo worked for a chemist
Said "There's nowt for it but stomach pump."
Well, they `adn't a stomach pump `andy,
But Pa did the best that `e could
With a bicycle pump that they borrowed
But that weren't nearly so good.
So off they went to the doctor
`Oo looked down `is throat with a glass;
`E said "This'll mean operation-
I fear that `e'll `ave to `ave gas."
"`Ow much is this `ere goin' to cost me?"
Said Father, beginning to squirm.
"I'm afraid that it comes out expensive-
The best gas is eight pence a therm.
There's my time, six shillings an hour;
You can't do these things in two ticks-
By rights I should charge you a guinea,
But I'll do it for eighteen and six."
"Wot, eighteen and six to get sovereign?"
Said Father, "That doesn't sound sense -
I'll tell you, you'd best keep young Albert
And give us the odd eighteen pence!"
The doctor concurred this arrangement,
But to this day he stands in some doubt
As to whether he's in eighteen shillings
Or whether he's eighteen pence out.

ALABAMA JUBILEE
(Jack Yellen, 1915)

Mandolins, violins,
Hear the darkies tunin' up, the fun begins.
Come this way. Don't delay.
Better hurry, honey dear, or you'll be missin'
Music sweet, ragtime treat,
Goes right to your head and trickles to your feet.
It's a reminder, a memory finder of nights down home in Alabam'.

CHO: You ought to see Deacon Jones when he rattles the bones,
Old Parson Brown foolin' roun' like a clown,
Aunt Jemima who is past eighty-three,
Shoutin', "I'm full o' pep! Watch yo' step, watch yo' step!"
One-legged Joe danced aroun' on his toe,
Threw away his crutch and hollered, "Let 'er go!"
Oh, honey, Hail! Hail! The gang's all here for an Alabama Jubilee.

Hear that flute, it's a beaut,
And the tunes it's tootin', tootsie, ain't they cute?
Let's begin. It's a sin
To be missin' all this syncopated music!
Oh, you Jane, once again
Give your legs some exercise to that refrain.
Boy, that's what makes me so dreamy and takes me back home to my old Alabam'.

CHO.

RING THOSE GOLDEN BELLS

There's a land beyond the river
THat they call the sweet forever
And you'll only reach that shore by faith's decree;
One by one we'll gain the portals
There to dwell with the immortals
Where they ring them golden bells for you and me.

Don't you hear those bells a-ringing?
Don't you hear the angels singing
And it's glory, hallelujah! Jubilee!
In that far-off sweet forever
Just beyond the silent river
Where they ring those golden bells for you and me.

THE IRISH JUBILEE

A short time ago an Irishman named Docherty
Was elected to the Senate by a very large majority

Sure he felt so elected that he went to Denis Cassidy
Who owned a bar room of a very large capacity

Arra, says Docherty go over to the brewer and order
A hundred kegs of lager beer and give it to the poor!

Then go over to the butchers shop and order up a ton of meat
Be sure the boys and girls have got all they want to drink and eat

They made me their senator, to show them all me gratitude
They'll have the finest supper ever given in the latitude

Tell them the music will be furnished by O'Rafferty
Assisted on the bagpipes by Felix Mick M'Cafferty

Sure whatever the expenses are, remember I'll put up the tin
And anyone who doesn't come, be sure and do not let them in

Now Cassidy at once sent out the invitations
And anyone who came was a credit to the nation

Some came on bicycles because they had no fares to pay
And all those that did not come, made up their minds to stay away

Two by three they all rushed in the dining hall
Young men and old men and girls that were not men at all

Blind men and deaf men and men who had the chickenpox
Single men and double men and men who had their glasses on

Well in a few minutes nearly every chair was taken
Till the taprooms and mushrooms were packed to suffocation

When everyone was seated and we started to lay out the feast
Cassidy says rise up and give us each a cake apiece

He then said as manager he would try and fill the chair
We then sat down and all looked over the bill of fare

Well there was pigs heads, goldfish, mocking birds and ostriches
Ice cream, cold cream, Vaseline and sandwiches

Blue fish, green fish, fishhooks and partridges
Fishballs, snowballs, cannonballs and cartridges

We ate oatmeal till we could hardly stirabout
Ketch-up and hurry-up, sweet-kraut and sauer-kraut

Dressed beef and naked beef and beef with all its trousers on
Soda crackers, fire crackers, Cheshire cheese with breeches on

Beefsteaks and mistakes were down upon the bill of fare
Roast ribs and spare ribs and ribs that we couldn't spare

Reindeer, snowdeer and dear me and antelope
The women ate so much melon ,the men said they cantaloupe

Red herrings, smoked herrings, herrings from old Erin's Isle
Bangor loaf and fruit cake and sausages a half a mile

Hot corn, cold corn, and corn cake and honey-comb
Red birds and red books, sea bass and sea foam

Fried liver, baked liver, Carter's little liver pills
And everyone was wondering who was going to pay the bill

Well we ate everything that was on the bill of fare
And then we looked on the back to see if any more was there

Well for dessert we had ice picks, tooth picks and a piece of
skipping rope
And we washed them all down with a big piece of shaving soap

The bad played hornpipes, gaspipes and Irish reels
And we danced to the music of "The wind that shakes the Barley
fields"

Then the piper played ould tunes and spittoons so very fine
Then in came fiddler Pat and gave to him a glass of wine

Arra a finer set of dancers you never set your eyes upon
And anyone who couldn't dance was dancing with their slippers on

Some danced jig steps door steps and highland flings
And Murphy took his penknife out and tried to cut the "Pigeon's
wings"

When the dance was over Cassidy told us all to join hands and sing
this good old chorus:

Should Old Acquaintance Be Forgot, who ever you may be
Lets think of the good ould times we had at the Irish Jubilee!

Lyr. Add: JUBILATE
AI Baker Thompson
Air: Old Dartmouth

We have come together to-night, Boys,
With hearts merry and light, Boys,
In accordance with our right, Boys
To have a jubilee, etc.
[To have a jubilee,
To have a jubilee,
To have a jubilee,
In accordance with our right, Boys,
To have a jubilee.]

Released from care and vexation,
And the pangs of recitation,
We're just in a situation
To have a jubilee, etc.

We've studied mathematical science,
In sulLen, reluctant compliance,
With "the laws" which we set at defiance
To have a jubilee, etc.

We loathe mathematicas artes,
Thesis et ictus et arsis,
In animo all of our class is,
To have a jubilee, etc.

Then fill up the bowl to the brim, Boys,
With brandy, nor wine, nor gin, Boys,
For these cause the brain to swim, Boys,
Hurrah for a jubilee, etc.

KINGDOM COMING
(Henry Clay Work)

Say, darkeys, hab you seen de massa,
Wid de muff-stash on his face,
Go long the road some time dis mornin'
Like he gwine to leab de place?
He seen a smoke, 'way up the ribber
Whar the Linkum gunboats lay;
He took his hat an' lef' berry sudden
An' I spec he's run away!

cho: De massa run? Ha ha!
De darkeys stay? Ho ho!
It mus' be now de kingdom comin'
An' de year ob Jubilo!

He six foot one way, two foot tudder,
An' he weigh tree hundred pound;
His coat so big, he couldn't pay de tailor,
An' it won't go half way round.
He drill so much dey call him Cap'n
An' he get so drefful tanned,
I spec he try and fool dem Yankees
For to t'ink he's contraband!

cho:

De darkeys feel so lonesome, libing
In de log-house on the lawn,
Dey move dar t'ings to massa's parlour,
For to keep it while he's gone.
Dar's wine an' cider in de kitchen,
An' de darkeys dey'll have some;
I spose dey'll all be confiscated
When de Linkum sojers come.

cho:

De oberseer he make us trouble
An he dribe us round a spell;
We lock him up in de smoke-house cellar
Wid de key trown in de well.
De whip is lost, de han-cuff broken
But de massa'll hab his pay;
He's ole enough, big enough, ought to known better
Dan to went an' run away.

WHUP JAMBOREE

Whup jamboree, whup jamboree,
Oh, a long-tailed sailor man comin' up behind!
Whup jamboree, whup jamboree,
Come an' get your oats, me son!

The pilot he looked out ahead,
The hands on the chain and the heavin of the lead,
And the old man roared to wake the dead,
Come and get your oats, me son!

Oh, now we see the Lizard light,
Soon, me boys, we'll heave in sight,
We'll soon be abreast of the Isle Of Wight,
Come and get your oats, me son!

Now when we get to the Blackwall docks,
Those pretty young girls come out in flocks,
With short-legged drawers and long tailed frocks,
Come and get your oats, me son!

Well, then we'll walk doon Limelight way,
And all the girls will spend our pay,
We'll not see more `til another day,
Come and get your oats, me son!

NB this is transcribed from the Rockapella version, not the Kingston Trio

Back to back Ha ha ha ha
Belly to belly Yes, my friends!
Back to back Ha ha ha ha
Belly to belly Say Huh!

It was a Zombie Jamboree
Took place in the New York cemetery
It was a Zombie Jamboree
Took place in the New York cemetery

Zombies from all parts of the island
Some of them were great Calypsonians
Since the season was Carnivale
They got together in Bacchanal, Huh!

And they were singing
Back to back Belly to belly
Well, I don't give a damn 'Cause I'm stone dead already
Back to back Belly to belly
It's a Zombie Jamboree

One female zombie, She wouldn't behave
See how she's dancing out of the grave
In one hand she's holding a quart of rum
The other hand was knocking a conga drum

You know the lead singer starts to make his rhyme
While the other zombies rockin' in time
One bystander, he had this to say
"It was a trip to see the zombies break away!" Shah!

And they were singing
Back to back Belly to belly
Well, I don't give a damn 'Cause I'm stone dead already
Back to back Belly to belly
It's a Zombie Jamboree

And they were singing
Back to back Belly to belly
Well, I don't give a damn 'Cause I'm stone dead already
Back to back Belly to belly
It's a Zombie Jamboree

Back to back Everyone, we sing!
Back to back And belly to belly
Then back to back A-One Two Three Four!
Hey hey hey hey hey

What a Zombie Jamboree
From Times Square to the Statue of Liberty
Uptown, Downtown, Zombie Jamboree
Oo woh oo woh woh yeah yeah

There's a high wire zom between the World Trades
A King Kong zombie on the Empire State
But the biggest zombies Tokyo to Rome
The zombies who call this city home!
Hah! What they do! Huh!

Back to back Belly to belly
Well, I don't give a damn 'Cause I'm stone dead already
Back to back Belly to belly
It's a Zombie Jamboree

And they were singing
Back to back Belly to belly
Well, I don't give a damn 'Cause I'm stone dead already
Back to back Belly to belly
It's a Zombie Jamboree We do the Limbo!

Back to back Belly to belly
Well, I don't give a damn 'Cause I'm stone dead already
Back to back Belly to belly
It's a Zombie Jamboree
Hey hey hey hey!
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Subject: RE: Folklore: songs for the queen's big day
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 01 Jun 12 - 02:34 PM

The Levolution - Coope, Boyes & Simpson

L in C#

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Peter C
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 07:12 AM

But surely, The Queen is Queen of Great Britain & Northern Ireland? IMHO songs and tunes from here only! No American material until we repeal the Treaty of Paris!
We will be doing 'Rule Britannia!' 'Land of Hope & Glory' and a shedful of morris tunes!

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 07:36 AM

Intrestin:


Alex Glasgow

L in C#

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Leadfingers
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 09:14 AM

Last Night at The Tap a coupe of the lads 'did' Leon Rosselssons 'Procreation' !

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 10:26 AM

Vic Gammon's Kings & Queens of England sums up how useless the whole bleedin' lot of them are.

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: theleveller
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 01:01 PM

The whole of Rev Hammer's Freeborn John.

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 01:12 PM

Useless eh?? Will you keep a job for 60 years? I don't think so - the Queen is an exemplar to us all.

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Nick
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 01:44 PM

What about that Cher song with the funny sounding vocal? I think the words are something like

Jubilee in life after love
I can feel something inside me say
I really don't think you're strong enough,
Now
Jubilee in life after love
I can feel something inside me say
I really don't think you're strong enough,
Now

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 02:25 PM

Welcome back, Diane.   

~Michael~

Pity about the post, though...

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Carol
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 02:35 PM

Thanks for the ideas, we're having a Queen theme on Tuesday!!

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 03:07 PM

Oh really? For anyone else unfamiliar with Vic Gammon's fab song:

Now Charles the Second had eleven bastard children
George the Third went mad
And Edward the Seventh they thought was Jack the Ripper
But Richard the Third weren't as bad as people thought he was
Victoria laid back and thought of England
Charles the First lost his head
Well the best thing about those Kings and Queens of England is that most of them are dead....

Chorus

Singing, Rule Britannia, Britannia waives the rules
Kings, Queens, Jacks and Knaves and Tyrants
Cheats and Fools

Now William the Third was a Protestant and Dutchman
James the First was a Scot
And George the First spoke nothing else but German
What a mixed up, interbred lot And William the First, was a grasping Norman bastard
Believe me it's no lie
Well, there hasn't been an English King of England
Since Harold got one in the eye

Chorus

Now She was a well-heeled blue-blood Cinderella
Him, Prince Charming with big ears
But he had a thing going with the ugly sister
So it ended all in tears
So arise now you ghosts of old Oliver Cromwell
Brave Harrison and Tom Paine
Would you rid our land of this monstrous carbuncle
And bring sunshine after the reign?

Chorus

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Charley Noble
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 03:11 PM

How about "Lizie in the Sky with Diamonds"?

But why is sixty years a "diamond anniversary"?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 03:22 PM

"Fab"?

'And the song that they sang was, She's easy to please'

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 03:30 PM

Charley ~~ The traditional names of the anniversaries seem to be of German origin, based on gifts customarily given to couples on certain anniversaries to mark the longevity of the marriage. A bit of folklore that seems to have got conventionalised and fixed. Helpful wiki entries, if really interested, under "Anniversary" and "Wedding anniversary".

HTH

~M~

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 03:42 PM

No, no, they all sang Rosselsongs.
Leadfingers' suggestion of Procreation is a good follow-up:

When mad king George was dying and the throne of Britain was at stake
Six royal dukes set to with zeal to spawn an heir for Britain's sake
Five royal dukes proved impotent, the victor was the duke of Kent
The duke alas his arrow fired, his duty done, soon expired
But not before, hurrah, hurrah, he'd fathered queen Victoria and saved us from the foreigner.

Procreation, procreation, there's one thing we're good at, it's procreation
Traditionally we spend our time perpetuating the royal line
Procreation, procreation, there's nothing so royal as procreation.

(Leon Rosselson)

There are two more verses but you can buy the book.

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: theleveller
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 05:15 PM

"Useless eh?? Will you keep a job for 60 years?"

Ah, but, of course, old Liz doesn't actually have a contract of employment, a job description, a line manager, regular formal assessments, time sheets etc, etc....this is not a job, it's a sinecure. Let's get rid of the old bag and her moronic, disfunctional family.

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 05:57 PM

As it happens, Elizabeth Windsor is quite a competent public speaker and rep. - BUT even if useless she'd have the "job" anyway; also, the monarchy and its pageantry tends to suck the masses into accepting what should be seen as revolting inequality; and, furthermore, all monarchies are blasphemies as the only one born to rule is a prophet of God - http://walkaboutsverse.blogspot.co.uk/2010/02/walkaboutsverse-225-of-230.html

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 05:58 PM

...that's a poem "for the queen's big day", by the way.

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Charley Noble
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 07:41 PM

Liz looked pretty sharp sixty years ago. She's still holding up remarkably well compared to most of us old farts on Mudcat.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 08:25 PM

I see the venerable Neil Young has recorded God Save the Queen as part of his new LP Americana. See the film of the record here...

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Betsy
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 08:37 PM

't would be nice to remember at his time that the system which protects the Queen is called "the Establishment".
The Establishment upholds the Monarch as the leader of the ( Anglican) Church of England.
I was born in 1947 as a Roman Catholic, and in that time Church of England ( or Protestants of every hue) have tolerated, though sometimes made it difficult, for Catholic English people.
Margaret Thatcher IMHO filled her cabinet with Jewish folk which changed the nature of the English / British Establishment forever.
I now look at the Monarchy and Establishment in this light - if , AND ONLY IF ,Diane was carrying the child Dodi Fayed,the Establishment, was NOT prepared to tolerate the existence to any Muslim line to the Crown.
What do I know ???? but the Crown is responsible for some barabaric acts over the centuries.
SONG :_ Let's have a chorus of " Are you working , No, are you??? three cheers for the Red White and Blue...........etc.

Anyway, God Bless the Queen, I'm sure she's a decent sort and had to put up with the same shit as many of us parents have had to deal with ,unfortunateley, most of us need to do so without the huge financial resources on which the Queen is able to call upon.

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Jun 12 - 08:55 PM

Tune: Ain't She Sweet?
Well Done Liz!

What can I say? There I was, I had an identity crisis. I was commuting out of Manchester going there every weekend to do gigs at the Irish pubs, singing Irish songs. I had taken the words of a chance remark by Christy Moore seriously, and rather than turn my back on my roots – I had become a shillelagh carrying Irishman. I even read the Irish Post.

The Her Majesty's Jubilee came to the rescue and I rediscovered my English persona. How proud we all were to feel ourselves Englishmen in that bright dawn.

Well Done Liz!

Well Done Liz!
You're the Queen that's what you is!
Lets have and on orgy
You can bring the corgi

I'm sure you'd win any election
You've got four kids
What a selection!
(Love the aristocracy!)

You're the champ
That's your head on all the stamps
And that's your head on my last penny
I bet you've a quid or two – ooh not many! !


My favourite member of the House of Windsor is Barbra – she's a laugh
She's done very well – she's on East Enders
Could you get me her autograph!

Well Done Liz!
You're the Queen that's what you is!
Ooh my gosh! You're ever so posh
Well Done Liz!

Wearing a crown, I bet it gets you down
No wonder you look glum
Fifty years sitting on the throne
I bet thats hard on the ee by gum!

Well Done Liz!
You're the Queen that's what you is!
Not just some arsehole – you live in a castle!
Well done Liz!

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: GUEST,Marianne S.
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 05:56 AM

Betsey, you seem a little confused. Any child Diana (not Diane) might have had with Dodi Fayed would not have been in line to the throne. Her children by Charles are in line through their descent from him not her.

That's the whole point. The position is filled by the applicant most closely related to the existing holder. Unless, of course, the people don't like the applicant or the holder, when they will be politely asked to leave and the job offered to someone else. (see James II/William and Mary or the 47 people who were more nearly related to the Stuarts that George I, but weren't suitable for some reason. Or in Bavaria, after mad Ludwig had been found floating face down in the lake with his psychiatrist, his uncle got the job because his brother was too out to lunch even for them).

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: GUEST,Marianne S.
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 06:06 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPUyB6NCQfI

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 06:07 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPUyB6NCQfI

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: GUEST,Marianne S.
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 06:08 AM

Sorry, that was me trying to do the blue clicky thing. I appear to be technically inept.

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: banjoman
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 06:18 AM

I have no problem with any member of the "Royal Family" as equal members of the human race. My objection is to the position of rank and priviledge afforded to an individual simply on the grounds of their parentage. After all, if you give someone a job for life at aged 25 and they survive into their 85th year then thats 60 years, so what are we celebrating. I detest statements being broadcast regularly in the media such as "Our beloved queen/ the day we have all been waiting for/beloved of all her people/subjects"
I am not her subject,nor do I accept her, or anyone elses right to "Reign over us" without at least some say in who should lead this country. I am as patriotic as anyone but that does not include any allegiance to the monarchy.

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 06:41 AM

Well said, sir! Just to add that the job for life came with ultimate job security, £32 million a year that you don't really need but hey-ho, free massive houses in all the best places, the finest public schools (oxymoron red alert!) for her, er, rather thick children, automatic entry into privileged bits of the armed services for them, big private planes, boats and trains, as many horses and corgis as you could ride on a long summer's day and a bunch of servants to follow you everywhere. Shame about Phil, but you can't have everything. Reign over us? Piss over us, more like!

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 07:23 AM

Not so sure about the privileged entry to the armed services. There are plenty of places where the son of the president or whoever would go straight into the army as a colonel, rather than having, as Princes William & Harry did, to have to complete their country's equivalent of the entire 18 month training course at RMA Sandhurst before being commissioned as 2nd Lieutenants: and later, in William's case, another course at Cranwell before transferring to the RAF as a helicopter pilot in which role he saw action on board a Sea King search and rescue helicopter.

~M~

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 07:32 AM

Ah, just Sandhurst 'n' Cranwell then! That make it all right then! Come off it, mate. Their paths were predestined.

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: GUEST,Marianne S.
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 07:36 AM

The army High Command may know he's the son of the monarch and make allowances. The helicopter doesn't. They can't win. If they take the money and sit on their arses that's wrong. If they try to do a job that's wrong. It's part of my objection to the monarchy - not only what it does to the country but what it does to the people born into it with no way out. And don't say they can resign. How long do you think they'd survive the combined onslaught of demented royalty lovers, terrorists and the tabloid press?

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 07:57 AM

My objection is to the position of rank and privilege afforded to an individual simply on the grounds of their parentage.

I'm afraid that in our society that is more or less universal. By and large the children of rich and powerful people inherit those riches and power, and the children of poor and powerless people inherit their poverty and lackof power. There is a little shuffling around at teh edges, but that's the way to bet. The presence or absence of a royal family is completely insignificant in this.

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 08:11 AM

You try a course at Sandhurst &/or Cranwell, Steve-Fatgob, and see how you get on.

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 08:22 AM

Charley...the idea of a 'Diamond Jubilee' is a bastardisation. A jubilee is, and can only be, a period of 50 yrs ( This from Wiki The concept of the Jubilee is a special year of remission of sins and universal pardon. In the Biblical Book of Leviticus, a Jubilee year is mentioned to occur every fifty years, in which slaves and prisoners would be freed, debts would be forgiven and the mercies of God would be particularly manifest. In Christianity, the tradition dates to 1300, when Pope Boniface VIII convoked a holy year, following which ordinary jubilees have generally been celebrated every 25 or 50 years; with extraordinary jubilees in addition depending on need. Christian Jubilees, particularly in the Catholic tradition, generally involve pilgrimage to a sacred site, normally the city of Rome.) Queen Victoria reached 50 years on the throne in 1887, and a Jubilee celebration was announced. 10 years later, when she reached an unprecedented 60 years, the idea of a diamond jubilee was suggested, with reference to the traditional wedding anniversary gifts. George V reached 25 years in 1935, and a 'Silver Jubilee' was announced, again with reference to the wedding anniverary gifts. Queen Elizabeth II had a silver jubilee, a jubilee, now wrongly identified as a 'Golden Jubilee' using the same logic, and now a diamond jubilee. Her mother lived till 100...so some new inventions may be on the way.

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 09:03 AM

"Steve-Fatgob?" Is that a debating point, or just a typical example of how royalists address each other? Tone it down, the!

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 09:15 AM

Tug-

Thanks for the clarification. There does seem to be some confusion about with a "diamond anniversary" is 75 years or 60 years. I don't really care. If it makes some older people happy to have one at 60 years, fine!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: banjoman
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 11:22 AM

Just a thought - if we are "Celebrating" her accession to the throne in 1952 (60 years ago) then do we have to go through it all again next year to celbrate 60 years since her coronation

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 12:33 PM

Nah, we'll have chopped her head off by then.

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 01:52 PM

He he

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: GUEST,Not particularly a royalist
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 02:29 PM

I think the Jubilee's worth having if only for thumbing the nose at the dour republicans and reminding them they're in the minority -as usual.

Jeremy Hardy was unavailable for comment but it's said he's threatening to defect. Unfortunately no one can give a stuff.

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 06:34 PM

""automatic entry into privileged bits of the armed services for them,""

Andrew: Priveleged to fly a Sea King Helicopter in the Falklands. ""Prince Andrew's place on board "Invincible" and the possibility of The Queen's son being killed in action made the British Government apprehensive, and the Cabinet desired that Prince Andrew be moved to a desk job for the duration of the conflict. The Queen, though, insisted that her son be allowed to remain with his ship, meaning Prince Andrew remained on board Invincible to serve as a Sea King helicopter co-pilot, flying on missions that included anti-submarine warfare and anti-surface warfare, Exocet missile decoy, casualty evacuation, transport, and search and air rescue. He witnessed the Argentinian attack on the SS Atlantic Conveyor, and was one of the first to take off survivors.

Prince Andrew remained with Invincible until 1983. In Commander Nigel Ward's book, Sea Harrier Over the Falklands, Prince Andrew was described as "an excellent pilot and a very promising officer". He was decorated for his service in the Falklands.""

Harry: Deployed in secrecy to Afghanistan. ""It was later reported that, while in Afghanistan, Harry had called in United States Air Force air strikes, helped Gurkha troops repel an attack from Taliban insurgents, and performed patrol duty in hostile areas.

He is expected to be again deployed to Afghanistan as an Apache attack helicopter pilot.""

Privilege eh? I bet none of you would want to change places with them, and none of our politicians are sending their sons.

And the queen herself has a work schedule which would kill any of you who piss and moan about her, assuming any of you would take on that kind of work ethic in the first place.

I suspect your trade unions wouldn't permit you to work more than 60 hours a week, which is a bloody sight less than she does.

A sinecure?......Yeah, Right!

Don T.

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Richard from Liverpool
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 07:14 PM

Thank you Don. I think that needed to be said.

Personally, I had a go at Down Among the Dead Men today, because a) it's a bloody good song, b) it starts with "Here's a health to the Queen", and c) it's anti-puritan and anti-killjoy, and I feel that a some critics just wanted to spoil other people's enjoyment of what's basically a couple of days of partying. Unfortunately, I ballsed it up a bit, but that's life. Still enjoyed the day!

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 07:38 PM

Hey Don, don't you ever suspect that, in the teensiest, weensiest way, we might just be getting half the story about them brave royals on the alleged front line? Still, never mind. If ever there was a day for believers and sycophants to suspend disbelief even more than ever...

Itemisation of any one of her 60-hour-plus weeks would be welcome, still more the evidence that that's her long-term average, as you appear to imply. And there's nowt wrong with trade unions, old chap. And did you really use the words "Queen" and "ethic" in the same sentence?

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 08:13 PM

I think maybe Steve we should respect Don's view. I can't stand the bloody royal family myself. If its a belief that sustain's him fair enough. I believe folk music can redeem the world. Not traditional folk music, just folk music.

We all need stuff to believe in.

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 08:15 PM

A view is one thing. An unsupportable assertion is another entirely!

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: GUEST,davemc
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 08:24 PM

What a miserable bunch of sour chippy folkies....

God Save Our Queen.

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 09:00 PM

Oh don't worry Steve - Don will support it with something. Such bickering is a weariness to the flesh.

'sour chippy' - that sounds like something thought up by the Jack Daniels lobby. They can't make whiskey and now they can't make chips.

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 11:57 PM

'we might just be getting half the story about them brave royals on the alleged front line' Steve 0738

'A view is one thing. An unsupportable assertion is another entirely!' Steve 0815

.,,.,.

Long live the Steve!

Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jun 12 - 04:48 AM

That is not an assertion, the. It's an expression of suspicion. One might have thought that, given your command of language, you'd have seen that.