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'Lyle' Guitar Information Request

Commander Crabbe 06 Jun 12 - 07:37 PM
GUEST,999 06 Jun 12 - 08:39 PM
Bugsy 07 Jun 12 - 01:43 AM
Bugsy 07 Jun 12 - 01:51 AM
Bugsy 07 Jun 12 - 02:05 AM
Commander Crabbe 07 Jun 12 - 09:03 PM
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Subject: 'Lyle' Guitar Information Request
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 06 Jun 12 - 07:37 PM

I recently acquired what I thought was a Kiso Suzuki "Lawsuit" Hummingbird copy for spares or repair. On closer inspection it turned out to be a not very well disguised fake which had a KS label stuck inside and a poor paint job over the original makers mark on the headstock.

Being as I didn't pay too much for the guitar anyway and it sounds half decent and after consultation with a luthier about the repairs I decided to keep the guitar. (The seller did apologise and offer to take it back and refund the cash when I pointed out it was a fake!)

From what I can glean from searching the net the guitar is probably either a "Lyle" W460 or 680L model which would have been made around the late 70's or early 80's by the Matsumoku factory in Japan which as a sub-contractor of Aria (Arai and Company) manufactured instruments including Gibson Epiphone, Skylark, Cutler, Aria, Aria Pro, Aria Diamond and Washburn from 1964 into the mid 80s.

However, removing the Suzuki label will probably destroy the original which it is probably stuck over or has even been removed. So I'm probably not going to find out which model it was.

When the guitar comes back from the luthier I am going to restore it to its original make and remove the poor paint job over the "Lyle" mother of pearl inlay.

However I have a slight problem in that I can't get a decent image of the original "Lyle" label from searching around the net.

It would be appreciated if anyone could give more information or even provide pictures of the models or label.

Please PM me if you can.

Thanks in advance.

Chris Coulter


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Subject: RE: 'Lyle' Guitar Information Request
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Jun 12 - 08:39 PM

If you go to Google Images and search

"Lyle" guitars

there are a few examples on the first page.


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Subject: RE: 'Lyle' Guitar Information Request
From: Bugsy
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 01:43 AM

Can't you possibly steam the old new label off the old one?

Cheers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: 'Lyle' Guitar Information Request
From: Bugsy
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 01:51 AM

HEre's one for sale on Ebay

lyle hummingbird acoustic guitar

Cheers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: 'Lyle' Guitar Information Request
From: Bugsy
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 02:05 AM

Me again,

Here's some labels that may be of help
CLick here for labels

Hope this helps

Cheers
bugsy


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Subject: RE: 'Lyle' Guitar Information Request
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 09:03 PM

Guest 999

Yep it was the first thing I did including an image search for labels which turned up what Bugsy has posted. Unfortunately there are not many clear labels on view except for the two in the last post.

I'm kinda hoping that someone who has either of the two models listed can PM me a photo of the label with the correct model number. If this is not possible then i'll have a play with the larger of the two posted which I have saved.

Bugsy

I have thought of steaming it off but will probably ask my tame luthier before I give it a go as it is stuck right over a brace and I don't want to screw the glue!

Many thanks anyway

CC


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Subject: RE: 'Lyle' Guitar Information Request
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 11:03 AM

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