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The Zildjian business

Jack Campin 07 Jun 12 - 11:11 AM
Leadfingers 07 Jun 12 - 11:25 AM
fat B****rd 07 Jun 12 - 12:04 PM
ChanteyLass 07 Jun 12 - 12:09 PM
GUEST,punkfolkrocker 07 Jun 12 - 12:09 PM
Jack Campin 07 Jun 12 - 12:25 PM
JohnInKansas 08 Jun 12 - 01:26 AM
GUEST,Josepp 08 Jun 12 - 02:10 PM
gnu 08 Jun 12 - 03:53 PM
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Subject: The Zildjian business
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 11:11 AM

I didn't know much of this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18261045

At 400 years old, the oldest firm in the US.

I think the longest-lived firm in the UK was the Whitechapel Bell Foundry, which lasted about 600 years.


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Subject: RE: The Zildjian business
From: Leadfingers
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 11:25 AM

Interesting Jack - And W C B is still there and they have a Website


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Subject: RE: The Zildjian business
From: fat B****rd
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 12:04 PM

Yes, very intersting, thank you. If I were richer and still playing the drums I would have a Ludwig kit with Zildjian cyhmbals.
As it is I'll carry on slapping my knees and chair-arms. (Life's a hoot in our house)


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Subject: RE: The Zildjian business
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 12:09 PM

I think I taught a grandson of some of the owners of that business. One day he came to school wearing a t-shirt with the Ziljian name in that distinctive script you see on their symbols. I asked him where he got the shirt. He told me it was his grandfather's business, and his grandfather had given it to him.


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Subject: RE: The Zildjian business
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 12:09 PM

genuinely interesting..

but I still thing learner drummers should have to pass a test and gain a License
before being granted lengthy supervised probation access to any cymbals..

.. the tinnitus inflicting bastaaaaards...


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Subject: RE: The Zildjian business
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 12:25 PM

You have it backwards. One of the ingredients they make up in that secret alloying room is jars of tinnitus, extracted by syringes from patients' ears all over the world and left to ferment for generations in the family cellars. You wouldn't think that just plain metal could make that sound, surely?


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Subject: RE: The Zildjian business
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 01:26 AM

I can't speak for the archaeologists and historians, but a fair representation of engineering talent agrees that the iron age probably did NOT replace the bronze age because iron was better than bronze. It was only because iron was easier to find and cheaper. (Like the basis for a lot of modern mfg/marketing decisions.)

Having once tried to drill a crack-stop hole in one of my kid's Zildjian cymbals, I decided to agree with the rest of the engineers.

It's a lot easier to make a hole in a piece of glass. It just melted the tips off of 3 HS tool steel drills. The cymbal was too hard to get a "bite" with any carbide drill I had so they just spun like they were on a ball bearing - and I couldn't really tell if the carbide might be almost as hard as the bronze. I got the hole through and smoothed up some only at the cost of wearing out a diamond-coated die grinding burr. (At least the burr was a little bit cheaper (not much) than a new cymbal.)

I think "Hard as the hubs of HELL" is the common term.

And adding insult to injury, the kid traded the whole trap set off for a bass guitar about three weeks later - - and tried to hit me up for a loan to buy an amp for it. (But he'd already been playing drums long enough that he probably didn't hear most of my reply.)

John


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Subject: RE: The Zildjian business
From: GUEST,Josepp
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 02:10 PM

Zildjian didn't move to the US until the 1920s.


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Subject: RE: The Zildjian business
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 03:53 PM

And then there is Sabian, made in NB, CAN. Thread drift? Yes.


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Subject: RE: The Zildjian business
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 05:21 PM

The first article linked includes some things not often familiar even to Z users, but my recollection from a few years back (ok, a little over a half century back) is that when you bought a new Zildjian it came with a little description of the "family history."

One of the exceedingly rare cases where RTFM was actually interesting!

Now I'm looking (since a couple of decades or so ago) for the even rarer case where RTFM is still useful. (I can remember a few ancient events indicating manufacturers once upon a time weren't too ashamed of their stuff to tell you what it was supposed to do. They don't seem to do that anymore.)

John


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