BS: Holdergate

Subject: BS: Holdergate
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 09:44 PM

Holdergate:

Atty. Gen.-nominee Eric Holder helped pardon terrorists linked to my father's murder in 1975.
LA Times

In 1975, when I had just turned 9, my father was killed by terrorists.

He was supposed to be home early on that Jan. 24 for a family celebration of my birthday and that of my brother, who had just turned 11. Instead, while my father was at a business lunch at the historic Fraunces Tavern in New York's financial district, a bomb exploded, killing him and three others. One of my father's colleagues was decapitated, and silverware from the table was lodged in the torsos of the other victims. The Armed Forces of National Liberation, or FALN, a Puerto Rican terrorist group, claimed responsibility.

My father was just 33. Up to that point, his life had been an American success story. The only child of immigrants, he was raised in Washington Heights, a blue-collar section of Manhattan. He worked his way through college and went on to a job at J.P. Morgan, a firm at which his mother had worked nights as a cleaning lady. He was a terrific father. His death has left a gaping hole in our lives.

Now my family is facing a blow of a different kind.

President-elect Barack Obama has nominated a man to be his attorney general who was closely involved in former President Clinton's decision as he was leaving office to pardon 16 FALN members convicted on conspiracy and weapons charges. Though no one was ever charged specifically with the Fraunces Tavern bombing, the FALN proudly claimed responsibility for it amid more than 100 others. Its attacks killed six people and wounded scores of others. Tellingly, the bombings stopped after 10 FALN members were convicted of conspiracy and weapons offenses and sent to prison in 1981. They were among those Clinton chose to pardon.

At the time of the pardons, Eric H. Holder Jr. was deputy attorney general. In considering his department's recommendation on clemency, he met with supporters of the terrorists but ignored their victims. He pushed staff members to drop their strong opposition to a presidential pardon for the FALN members and alter a report they had prepared for the president recommending against clemency. Today, although two turned down their pardons because they were unwilling to renounce violence, many of the convicted FALN members walk free. And a man who was instrumental in their release may become the highest law enforcer in the land.

Holder said at his confirmation hearing Thursday that he thought Clinton's decision to pardon the FALN members was "reasonable." But they were bad people. During their Chicago trial, some of them threatened the life of Judge Thomas McMillen, who was hearing the case. Carmen Valentin, one of those later pardoned by Clinton, told the judge, "You are lucky that we cannot take you right now," and she told other officers of the court, "You will be walking with canes and wheelchairs. ... Revolutionary justice can be fierce." She also declared war against the United States. Dylcia Pagan, another recipient of Clinton's gift, warned the courtroom: "All of you, I would advise you to watch your backs." McMillen was convinced the defendants would continue being terrorists as long as they lived. "If there was a death penalty," he said at their sentencing, "I'd impose the penalty on you without hesitation."

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 10:05 PM

Here, Bobbins, I'll save you the trouble of being over powered, and you can save yourself from having to spew hate, at SawZaw, for posting this..OK(Don't say I never did you any favors)....

OK..here we go:

Sawzaw, you are a Tea Party hating bigot who just doesn't like Holder or Obama, because you don't like black people...You are a racist pig, and.........ummm...........I don't know what else I should say, in your behalf...you never get much further than that!...Oh, Oh Oh...yeah, It was really a Republican plot, to get them to join the 1%ers.....ummm,.... oh, yeah, ...and, you tell him, Don!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 10:08 PM

((((((((((((((((((((((((((((yawn)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: artbrooks
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 10:09 PM

Can't find anything more recent?

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 10:10 PM

Good to see you were able to relax.....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 10:43 PM

By Joseph F. Connor

January 16, 2009

Grow up Sawz....

You too GFS.

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 10:49 PM

Yeah, that's pretty dated..I mean January 16, 2009, was a while back, and you, Jack are right about that.....so, do you think he is tired of being dead, yet?....maybe his family is used to it....Naw, it doesn't matter..............................................does it?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 10:53 PM

Bobert gets sleepy when presented with facts.

He does much better with lies and hate and hypothetical proofs. Gets him puffin' and blowin' like a blacksmith's bellows.

A pull on the jug, another bong hit and he is ready to dream up some more Bobert facts like Obama's own airplane.


Eric Holder "More Deeply Involved" In Rich Pardon Than Supporters Acknowledge

New York Times:

WASHINGTON - In the much praised career of Eric H. Holder Jr., President-elect Barack Obama's choice to be attorney general, there is one notable blemish: Mr. Holder's complicated role in the 2001 pardon of Marc Rich, a billionaire financier who had fled the country rather than face federal tax evasion charges.

Mr. Holder's supporters portray him as having been a relatively uninvolved bystander caught in a Clinton-era controversy, the remarkable granting of a last-minute pardon by President Bill Clinton to a fugitive from justice. But interviews and an examination of Congressional records show that Mr. Holder, who at the time of the pardon was the deputy attorney general, was more deeply involved in the Rich pardon than his supporters acknowledge.

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: Janie
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 11:08 PM

Silly season is on us once again.

One minor bit of evidence to substantiate that hypothesis is that I am silly and bored enough to post to this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 11:16 PM

Welcome aboard, Janie!.....Arguing over bullshit is fun for bored people....it beats actually doing something about it!
The offer is still out there!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 11:45 PM

At least it is newer than Birthgate.

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: artbrooks
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 11:49 PM

That one is 12/1/2008...going backward in time?

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 11:50 PM

"Though no one was ever charged specifically with the Fraunces Tavern bombing, the FALN proudly claimed responsibility for it amid more than 100 others. "

It is just swift boat crap that didn't stick.

Grow up.

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Jun 12 - 12:34 AM

Arguing over bullshit is fun for bored people

Starting threads in order to invoke arguments is trolling. Gust from InSanity and Sawzaw are masters at it. If you're bored, Janie, there is always Solitaire!

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jun 12 - 12:39 AM

Silliest of Driveling Rage: "Starting threads in order to invoke arguments is trolling. Gust from InSanity and Sawzaw are masters at it."

Shows what you know!!.....I've NEVER started a thread!
Your excused.....go back to sleep.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Jun 12 - 12:46 AM

Guest no longer residing in Sanity.

I'm pretty sure she said that you were a master at trolling. I'm sure someone can parse the sentence for you if that is required.

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jun 12 - 12:55 AM

Getting back to the thread....So, do you think he'll resign?..or do you think they'll do anything more about this guy?....other than threaten him with more threats?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Jun 12 - 04:25 AM

There is no thread, just trolling on a 3 year old "opinion" piece.

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Jun 12 - 08:48 AM

"Then I sneak out to Mudcat when them's is asleep and light stink bombs here in the Catbox... I know I shouldn't do it but "

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Jun 12 - 09:24 AM

Jack's up to date opinion piece:

"Certainly if you were in France or the Philippines in mid 1940's or Kuwait in the early 1990's the people who drove out the occupiers might have looked like heroes to you. But obviously there were places where they would not have been so venerated. "

Time to move on to current events Jack.

Now about Holdergate:

Should he prosecute this hate speech?

New Black Panthers King Samir Shabazz:

"I love white-on white-crime, because that is the best crime."
"I hate the g*ddamn white man, woman, and child, grandma, aunt, uncle, Pappa Billy Bob, and whoever else."
"You should be thankful we're not running around here hanging crackers by nooses and all that kind of stuff — yet, yet, yet"
"wet dream about killing the g*ddamn cracker."
"We don't allow faggots and lesbians" in the New Black Panther Army
"ready to bang on this cracker"
take over neighborhoods "block by block" so "crackers…or even the developer" would be scared to come into them
"We're taught to send this cracker to the cemetery… so kiss 'em goodbye"
"Your enemy did cannot make you free fool. You want freedom? You're gonna have to kill some crackers! You're gonna have to kill some of their babies!"

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jun 12 - 09:27 AM

Sorry, Saws, but that quote I posted of Jesus telling us to "shake the dust off [our] robes" is about you... I really don't care what you write about me... I rarely read any of it, especially if it's over one sentence long...

Bye, dust...

Oh, and yer Betty Ford Counselor is looking for you

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Holdergate
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Jun 12 - 10:11 AM

Eric Holder cheated on a spelling test in the second grade! And he wanted to ban all the spitballs!

Fact! It was in all over Fox News at the time! And various Web sites!