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Subject: Folklore: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: Leadfingers
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 06:25 PM

Nice to hear Tom getting some Airplay on Auntie Beeb


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: matt milton
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 06:32 PM

yeah, his new album seems to have attracted quite a lot of attention


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: GUEST,Blandiver
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 06:39 PM

Yes but - why folklore?


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: BanjoRay
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 07:50 PM

Anyone got a link for this?

Ray


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: Leadfingers
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 07:52 PM

He DID play with Woodie Guthrie ! How much Folklore doe THAT qualify for ??


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: Leadfingers
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 08:29 PM

Its about 50 minutes in !! Clickie


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: Leadfingers
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 08:56 PM

I Lied ! Its about 26 Minutes in after the Radio 6 trail !


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: BanjoRay
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 12:28 PM

He also played with Leadbelly, and is a superb Old Time banjo, guitar and fiddle player. How much folklore do you need?

Ray


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: Elmore
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 02:59 PM

Stayed at my humble home once. Nice guy, real lefty.


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 03:46 AM

He's on BBC Radio 4's Today programme as I type this....

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 04:02 AM

Mentions of Tom's influence on Dylan, Ry Cooder and Jerry Garcia...

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: Brian Peters
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 04:05 AM

A really good piece, eh Kitty? Tom was as articulate and modest as ever, and I really enjoyed the clips from his new recording. Great to see his distinguished career being celebrated in Radio 4's flagship morning broadcast of 'serious' news. Well done BBC!


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 04:23 AM

Interviewed by Mark Coles which is some step up from Mark Radford. I have the new CD, having been to the launch a few weeks ago. Well worth a listen and a read of the excellent notes.

Today - listen again


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: nickp
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 05:33 AM

Great news but curious that, as I have some responsibility for promoting old time music appreciation in the UK being involved with the Friends of American Old Time Music and Dance of which Tom is President, I have to find out purely by chance on the Today prog and via Mudcat.

I gather it's available from Ama***n and other music retailers.


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 08:22 AM

great musician/singer, well done Tom


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Subject: Tom Paley on Radio 4
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 08:36 AM

Heavy stuff on BBC Radio 4's Today programme this morning. Not only was there an item on Cern scientists proving the existence of God, well of the God particle at any rate, but there was also a very interesting feature on Tom Paley. Plenty of stuff about the NLCR and Woody and about what he's been doing ever since he settled in London. Dunno how long the God particle will run, but the Paley item finished at around 08-54. Thats' for anyone who fancies looking it up on I-Player.


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: Leadfingers
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 08:37 AM

'Today' listing on listen again
0843
Tom Paley, one of the great survivors of the American folk scene, has been living for the past 40 years in a small flat above a London tube station, and now aged 84 has a new album coming out. The BBC's Mark Coles went to the launch party


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Radio 4
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 09:15 AM

Starts 2:43:55 into the programme.


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 09:19 AM

Like fellow-enthusiast nickp, I was flabbergasted to only find out about this at all today via a friend phoning me after a chance listen to the Today programme. Tom Paley releasing a new studio cd now - who'd have thought it? The guy's a legend, period, and it's great that he's still around to entertain us. We should be celebrating this, so why has there been no publicity at all in any of the usual quarters for this momentous event?


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Radio 4
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 09:32 AM

Sorry, I was forgetting that people outside the UK wouldn't be familiar with Radio4's time schedules. The Today Programme starts at 6am and finishes at 9am. So 2hrs 43 minutes would be about right.


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 09:33 AM

Usual quarters? Lots of info on Hornbeam's Facebook page


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Radio 4
From: Vic Smith
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 10:12 AM

Wonderful! We first booked him at our folk club in Lewes in 1969 (recording him in our flat afterwards when he stayed with us) and the most recent time was last year, and goodness knows how many times we have booked him in between, If he had become rich a famous as the programme suggests that he deserves to be, we probably couldn't have afforded him.

So we met Tom before his son was born and now we have benn playing for many years in the same band as his son. It's a funny old world.


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: nickp
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 10:23 AM

Yes indeed B.E. but that assumes that any of us know about their FB page. I send a weekly email to about 650 old time enthusiasts (not all are FOAOTMAD members) and no one - not even Tom who has contacted me to promote other things in the past - has mentioned anything.

Needless to say it will get a mention this week.


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Radio 4
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 10:56 AM

I added to the existing Radio 2 thread rather than start a new one for the Radio 4 interview this morning, so there's a bit of duplication going on about coverage of Tom's new CD...

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 11:49 AM

The problem with Facebook is that unless you're already a member you can't actually contact anyone by that method. The record label's website only refers folks back to Facebook, which is Catch 22 all over again and no help to anyone seeking further information. Grr.


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: GUEST,Editor - Folk London
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 12:30 PM

You were not alone nickp


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on Mark Radcliffe BBC Rad 2
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 12:42 PM

Combine threads?
    Done. -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 04:00 PM

Obviously the supposedly informed people have not been keeping their ear to the ground.I think it is about one year since the recording get started, maybe a little less.
Anyway the important thing is that the disc is out there and getting lots of coverage BBC 2, BBC 4, The Guardian and The Times. So go get it. You will probably be supporting Tom more if you get it from the guys that set the label up especially to get him recorded again after too long an absence. Support them rather than the internet retailers.

Hoot


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: GUEST,Folknacious
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 04:49 PM

why has there been no publicity at all in any of the usual quarters for this momentous event?

??? It's been all over the radio, wildly reviewed in all the obvious newspapers (Guardian etc), talked about here, on other message boards, all over Facebook - one of the most enthusiastically promoted proper folk albums of recent times. The chaps who started the label specially for it have done a really good job. Oh no, don't tell me they forgot to send a press release to What Cavedweller? ;-)


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: GUEST,Editor - Folk London
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 04:53 PM

Obviously the supposedly informed people have not been keeping their ear to the ground

Just like folk clubs, you don't bother telling anybody about it because "everybody" knows.


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 06:03 PM

Well, Guest Folknacious, I don't know about What Cavedweller? (not being a subscriber), but it hasn't been reviewed in "all the obvious" places like Froots, Living Tradition, R2 or Songlines mags, or any of the several key websites that deal with this kind of music. Just cos the big newspapers and major radio stations get to hear about it shouldn't mean the specialist press should have to lose out on coverage.
Does anyone have contact details (other than Facebook) for the guys at the label, if we're being encouraged to buy direct from them?


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 06:27 PM

The disc was only launched two weeks ago. I believe the offical release date was even more recent. Therefore the magazines mentioned above will probably only very recently have received review copies and as I believe the magazines which you mention are published monthly they won't have had time to review it yet.
I would question who are the specialist press? Those mentioned above appear to cover very little "Old Time American Music" unless that is they have changed somewhat since I gave up on them.

Re the guys at the label I am sure Tom Paley can give you the information. So probably Nick P could speak to his president T.P and get the info and post it here.

Hoot.


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 06:59 PM

The CD was released officially on 25 June and I imagine it will be reviewed in fRoots in the forthcoming issue published next week. The Ed certainly knows about it as he has mentioned it in anticipation elsewhere. Songlines usually lags an issue or so behind fR and as for LT, its publication is far less frequent and erratic and it's hardly their thing anyway. I think it's a jolly good thing that the broadsheets are writing seriously about traditional music instead of confining it to a cliquey closet inhabited by a few weirdo nerds. The tradarts join world culture - and about time too.


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: GUEST,Folknacious
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 08:37 PM

it hasn't been reviewed in "all the obvious" places like Froots, Living Tradition, R2 or Songlines mags

I think it was only launched a couple of weeks ago. All those are monthlies which will have longer lead times. Froots have already announced it's on their next podcast next week and next free CD. But it got very quickly reviewed in the daily papers like Guardian, Times etc. which far more people must see, and I think is to be applauded. As for distribution, the Facebook page says it is being handled by Ace Records, and PR being done by Kieron Moyles (yes, a relation I believe).

Oh and since Facebook has about 30 million users in the UK they're hardly hiding it away by having a holding page on there!


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: theleveller
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 03:43 AM

I heardthe interview of Radio 4. Wonderful to see that Tom has brought out a new album - he was a big influence on me in the 60s, especially as part of The New Lost City Ramblers.


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: nickp
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 04:06 AM

Obviously my ears weren't close enough to the ground (no longer young enough to crawl really low!) but I am a little surprised that I hadn't been given a nudge or even a whisper. However, I've found enough information and I'll by passing it on to my email recipients today. Good for Tom.


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 06:35 AM

Thanks to you both for the additional information, and yes - although you made the unwarranted assumption that I'm ignorant of such things -I do understand publishers' lead-times (I have to observe them myself) -- but the sad fact is that there are only 24 hours in a day and so much good music about, and life often gets in the way of surfing the Net for information. I'm sure we're all familiar with that scenario!
However, I do keep my ears to the ground and am on enough mailing lists to have been rather puzzled that I'd not heard about the release at all until the Radio 4 piece was mentioned on this page earlier this week.
So, like nickp, I was >> a little surprised that I hadn't been given a nudge or even a whisper<<.
But as you all say, it's great that the wider world has given it coverage and best of all, good for Tom.


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: GUEST,Folknacious
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 10:36 AM

Some references to specialist press, "the obvious places" etc on here got me to wonder - is there actually a UK magazine that specialises in old-time/ American traditional music? If so it's far below my radar, even further down than What Cavedweller!

I sometimes see Old Time Herald from the USA but don't know of anything here since the days of Tony Russell's late lamented magazine yonks ago. Froots covers a little (feature on the wonderful Elizabeth LaPrelle recently) and Maverick gets a bit among the "Americana" frocks, but I don't know of anywhere else mentioning it at all. It's probably not rock enough for R2, Scottish enough for Living Tradition, English enough foe ED&S or trendy worldy enough for Songlines. I'm not even sure if Country Music People still exists.


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 12:16 PM

In a word. No. There is no magazine in the UK that covers American old time music. Tony Russell's magazine was it for a number of years and is sadly missed. I guess that Tony had to concentrate on making a living eventually but while it existed he did a great job. I suspect that Alice Gerrard may have been inspired to start up Old Time Herald in the States because of Tony's magazine. Fortunately she did a great job and it continues to be the most informative on the Old Time scene. Those of you with a broader mind might also look at Bluegrass Unlimited which carries an excellent notes and queries column answering some really obscure questions on old timers and not quite so old timers.
I know the following is a slight thread drift but on the subject of American Old Time music. Has anybody yet seen the new book on backup guitar for old time sessions? It's by John Schwab who was over here for FAOTMAD last year at Gainsborough with Paul Brown and Terri McMurray. It apparently contains a CDrom with a number of old time recordings with each number at three different speeds but all corrected to pitch. It sounds like it could be interesting for all those three chord trick guitar pickers.

Hoot


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: GUEST,Brian Peters
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 01:57 PM

"There is no magazine in the UK that covers American old time music."

Well, there is the 'Old Time News', produced by the Friends of American Old Time Music and Dance. I'm not sure whether you can subscribe to the mag itself or whether it's a members-only publication.

It deals mainly with the UK Old-Time scene, and visiting American musicians. 'nickp' will know more.


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: nickp
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 03:25 PM

"Well, there is the 'Old Time News', produced by the Friends of American Old Time Music and Dance. I'm not sure whether you can subscribe to the mag itself or whether it's a members-only publication.

It deals mainly with the UK Old-Time scene, and visiting American musicians. 'nickp' will know more."


It is a quarterly full colour magazine, usually 20 A4 pages, produced for members - application details available on the website near the top of the thread. Also, anyone wishing to be added to my address list for email news please contact mailout1(at)foaotmad(dot)org(dot)uk - membership is not required.

Hoot, I agree about Tony's contributions and the Herald and own many issues of both, but don't overlook us.


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 05:49 PM

Nick,
I don't consider members only news sheets to be a magazine in the normal sense.
It may or may not surprise you to know that there are numerous(relatively speaking)people playing American style old time music that are not members of your organisation. Some believe it or not don't even know about FAOTMAD.
Does your magazine publish research or interviews in a similar manner to OTM and OTH? Or does it stick to UK happenings? I must admit I haven't seen a copy for years.

Hoot


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jul 12 - 05:55 PM

Yo! In all this discussion about where the info is and isn't, how about actually sharing some here beyond the radio links, like the title of the album??

Since I am a Facebook member, I have found it for myself:

Hornbeam Recordings:
Hornbeam Recordings is a new folk based roots music label taking its ethos from the independent spirit of the Folkways, Elektra, Vanguard and Prestige/Folklore labels.

FIRST RELEASE – AVAILABLE 25th JUNE 2012
Roll On, Roll On – Tom Paley's Old-Time Moonshine Revue.

For its first release, Hornbeam proudly presents legendary old-time musician Tom Paley who returns with a new album, 59 years after his debut for Elektra Records back in 1953.

CD available from all good retailers.

Our web site is coming soon.

Then it does link to the Hornbeam Recordings Facebook page (started May 17), from which I gleaned this (from a June 13 post about the CD/label release party): "Tom and the band - son Ben Paley on fiddle, Jonny Bridgwood on bass, Robin on guitar & fiddle, Jason on guitar and Dave Morgan on packing case drum"

Here is their YouTube channel, with some samples.

I agree, note to Hornbeam folks: not everyone's on Facebook, so you need to be diligent about website updates, and/or maybe use a blog or tumblr that anyone can access.

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: nickp
Date: 06 Jul 12 - 04:17 AM

Point taken Becky - wrist suitable slapped.

Hi Hoot, still admittedly not a full blown magazine but it has progressed by leaps and bounds over the last few years and the only thinng that stops us considering the extra jump to a 'saleable magazine' is that we're all volunteers and the necessary extra time involved in doing it is just not practical.

We do reviews - in fact they are largely from the US but that's where the main source of cds (and books) come from. There are research articles - admittedly limited by space restrictions so don't expect a 10 page scholarly dissertation but we do try and we do have some knowledgeable members. "Happenings" tend to be mainly UK based but there are also articles on US festivals etc. Content varies by issue depending on what is available to the editors (not me although I often contribute).

If anyone is anxious to see how we have progressed I can get a link set up to a pdf of a recent issue. It may take me a couple of days to get that done so you may wish to add a trace.

I'm aware that there's many (UK) folks out there playing old time and that many don't know about us. There's also quite a few that DO know about us and for whatever reason prefer to ignore us. Only too happy to take on board any suggestions for bringing them to the fold by to mix metaphors, 'you can't take a horse to water etc.'

Still we seem to have hijacked the thread about Tom (although as I said he is the FOAOTMAD President). At least it keeps the thread active!

Nick


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: nickp
Date: 06 Jul 12 - 04:30 AM

Oh... and we run the largest (albeit still relatively small) old time festival in the UK at Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, in February. Next year will the 15th to 17th if my memory is correct.

Nick


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: nickp
Date: 06 Jul 12 - 04:52 AM

Faster than I thought -

3 issues of the magazine from last year as pdfs

follow the download option (wait for the timer) no need to load any other software.


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jul 12 - 01:29 PM

NickP: nice of you to give us the additional option to download a Sandy Denny concert.


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 08:44 AM

Good for Tom, and good for traditional style music.

May we all continue to contribute good music into our 80s.

Hint: it helps to start in your teens.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Tom Paley on BBC Radio
From: nickp
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 03:49 AM

Interesting GUEST, not intentional but why not!


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