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Raedwulf 16 Dec 12 - 05:09 AM
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ChanteyLass 18 Nov 12 - 06:38 PM
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Ebbie 06 Sep 12 - 04:04 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Raedwulf
Date: 16 Dec 12 - 05:09 AM

Max - magnificent! Big Al - keep at it, keep winning.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Dec 12 - 03:28 AM

Don't know how I missed this thread in recent days/weeks but reading the updates has certainly made my day. I'll be ending my day with a big smile and a light heart. Thank you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Dec 12 - 10:10 PM

here I am. still on the wagon. the last three months have bee awful. My mouth has been badly damaged by some dentistry that has ulcerated my mouth and made my tongue sore. I've got an appointment with a specialist in a couple of weeks.

I have longed for the anaesthetic of whisky. But I still dread even more that waiting to get to day two - so I've kept off the booze.

i was so enjoying gigging this summer. I'm fed up that I don't feel well enough to have gone out this Christmas.

Just re-read the thread. :et's hope the OP is in a better place than last time we heard from nim. Thanks for all the supportive messages on this thread. You really helped.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Nov 12 - 10:50 AM

Good man. Good role model. Thanks!

Maggie


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Amos
Date: 19 Nov 12 - 01:12 AM

I like you an awful lot, Max Spiegel.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Fossil
Date: 19 Nov 12 - 01:05 AM

Max - as ever, an inspiration!

Have had my own problems, but avoided the abyss, albeit narrowly. Music pulled me through and continues to do so.

And Mudcat always helps, something new to think about every day. Thanks for doing it. Good onya mate!


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: meself
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 10:44 PM

Max, we all admired you already for your selflessness in providing this forum for a bunch of old blowhards (and a few young whipper-snappers) - now we admire you even more.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 09:59 PM

tks, Max...you and my son...i am proud of both of you!

luvyakat


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: bobad
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 09:53 PM

Max, you are an inspiration. Love the clip.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: gnu
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 09:29 PM

Max... thank you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Max
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 08:56 PM

Mister Booze

Written by: Sammy Cahn
Written by: Jimmy Van Heusen
With Dean Martin, Sammy Davis, Jr. and Bing Crosby
Arranged By: Nelson Riddle – Nelson Riddle
From the Album: Complete Reprise Studio Recordings
Label: Reprise – Warner Brothers
Recorded: 4/10/64 – 11/14/63
-----------------------------------------------------------
(chorus) [the drunks] The rest are solos.


Booze, Mister Booze (Mister Booze), Mister Booze
Mister B double O, Z Eeee, (that sure spells booze),
You will wind up wearing tattered shoes if you mess with Mister Booze,
(Don't mess with Mister Booze, don't mess with Mister Booze.)
Don't mess with B, double o, Z, E, if you've been so simply occupied.
You'll feel better once you testify, (testify, testify)

[I want to testify, I want to testify]

Well, then cleanse yourself, my child, cleanse yourself.
Brothers and sisters, I happen to know this poor unfortunate soul,
And the fight she is waging against sin,
That old devil Booze has changed her
Into the unsightly person you see before you.
Give us your testimony, my child.

[Well, it all began with Johnny] (Yeah?)
[He said drink helped him stay alive] (Yeah?)
[Do you know how old he was when he died?] (No)
[He was twenty-five] (No. no)
[That's why I gotta come clean] (why?)
[Because I'm already seventeen]

Who's to blame? (Who's to blame?) What his name?
(We know his name, his name is.)
Mister Booze, Mister Booze, Mister B, double O, Z, E,
Don't ever choose, any game you play with him, you lose,

If your head feels like it's two miles wide,
You'll feel better once you testify (testify, testify, testify)

[I want to testify, I want to testify]

Well, come forward, dear brother, come forward.
You see here, ladies and gentlemen, a man who just last year
Was the United States Olympic heavyweight wrestling champion,
Here he is, just a shadow of his former self, wasted in health, ravaged by sin.
Oh give us your testimony, dear brother.

[I was cruel and I was mean] he was mean!
[I was a no-gooder, pickpocket] (a no-good pickpocket)
[And then you see, sin got me in its clutches now] sin got him in his clutches,
[No. I said sin was not...] Oh, I didn't hear the first part
[And that's why I need forgiving] (Why?)
['Cause my hands shake so much now, I can't even make love]

That's a shame, (what a shame) who's to blame? (Who's to blame?)
(Mister Booze, Mister Booze, Mister B, double O, Z., E. what's with you?)
(You'll make the office dupe a recluse, sister, if you dance with Mister Booze.)
(If you prince with tiffless, naughty guy,)
(You'll feel better when you testify, testify, oh yeah, testify, oh yeah, testify)

[I wanna testify. I wanna testify.]

Ah but you don't have to. [oh but I wanna] (oh let the bum testify!)
Okay, then put down that demijohn and come up forward here,
And let us lead you on the path of righteousness. Not long ago, brothers and sisters,
This helpless soul was the foremost brain surgeon in this grand and glorious country.
Success was smiling down upon him.
Now go ahead and tell us your story. Don't be shy.

[Let me tell. Let me tell. You see I use spirits for medicinal purposes only] (Yeah)
[I manufacture it for medicinal purposes only.] (yeah?)
[Then I started drinking what I manufactured till I drank myself]
[Out of a hell of a business for medicinal purposes only.] (That's right)

Now, alcohol makes a big man small and can lead to life of crime.
Drinking rum makes you skin-and-bone, and you cash in before your time.
Bootleg gin for your Mickey Finn till you don't even know your name.
You're a basket case right on your face, there's only one guy to blame.

(Oh Mister Booze, Mister Booze, Mister B, double O, Z, E, don't ever queue,)
(Don't you wind up swearing platitudes if you're mad with Mister Booze)
(Oh, Mister Booze, Don't mess, mess with Mr. Booze.)

Don't mess with B, double O. Z, E, cause that spells booze.
And you gotta lose with Mi-ister Booze. (Oh Yeah).
Don't mess around with Mister Booze.
(Don't with Mister Booze, Don't with Mister Booze.)
(What's his name now, Oh Mister Booze),
(Don't mess with Mister Booze), Oh Mister Booze, (Don't mess with Mister Booze.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Max
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 08:17 PM

My name is Max, I am the founder and publisher of mudcat.org and I am an alcoholic.

I took my last drink nearly 4 years ago. I am unashamed to admit it, or anything else for that matter, a clear, easy, unavoidable and undeniable necessity AND side effect of only what I can rationalize today as a miracle.

mudcat.org will be visited by about 3 million different people this year, from over 200 different countries. Maybe I'll not get a job offer because of this post, or miss out on a date with a nice lady or two. Or maybe I'll be embarrassed or made fun of, having tainted my reputation (I know, funny I know). Or maybe someone will read it and make a decision, or maybe not be so down on themselves, feel less alone... and maybe someone will get well. I'm not seeing a downside.

Alcoholism runs through both my mother's and father's side of the family, which genetic science now explains gave my parent's children, my brother and I, a 50/50 chance of also suffering from this insidious disease. My brother is fine and healthy and has had no troubles with addiction. I am content with the draw, I made it out alive. As anyone knows who has suffered, whether it be oneself or someone they love, it is a battle sadly more often lost than won. I take pride from my victory, and it, in and of itself, makes all the consequences, wounds, scars, calluses, embarrassment and cynicism that the 20 years of fighting tattooed on my face, well worth the ante and getting to keep my seat at the table.

How did I do it? I used every fucking trick in the book. Threw absolutely everything at it. The whole arsenal. Spared no expense of money, time, energy, selflessness, selfishness, shame, fear, asking for help, support, love, tenacity, introspection, anonymous secret clubs, religions, nutrition, psychotherapy, exercise, psychoactive... uhm... things, education, experimentation, humility, out-of-my-comfort-zone-wandering, charity, brute force, 3 of 4 cardinal virtues, 6 of 7 cardinal sins, and a whole lot of whimsy. It took a lot... and I'd pay double for what I have today.

I, or any other member of my extended family, had no positive roll model for sobriety when I began my journey down and back. Chances are, this will not be the last time my family will have to deal with this issue. But now we have an awareness, a lexicon, a course of action, a network of resources, and a giant pile of love and understanding in reserve for the next poor soul who suffers. I accept the position of roll model, for 1000 lifetimes if I could, in gratitude for my miracle of clarity, health and love.

Anyone who suffers out there, call me 610-517-8858 (how to call USA), or email me max@mudcat.org day or night if you need someone to listen to you, make the investment to understand you, help you, accompany you to Wellville. I will spend my last dollar to travel to the corners of world to fight the thousand grizzly bears you probably pissed off, hold your hand until you get you where you need to be, all while holding my head high not pausing, blinking or stuttering when I call you my friend. It's worth it, by God it's worth it.

It need not define you, I am living proof that it can be set down and be done with. I am many many things. I am a rabble-rouser, raconteur, publisher, professional nerd, musician, philosopher, academic, snappy dresser, handsome-son-of-a-bitch, Father, Son, Brother, Uncle, friend, every now and again even a lover... and an alcoholic. Explaining me as any one of those things is like explaining a folk song with one version of one verse. I am just folk, and so are you.

Let me be judged not by how many times or how deeply I fell, but how high I bounced. For I am a magnificent mother fucking superball.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: gnu
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 07:56 PM

ar... good on ya!


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 06:52 PM

I can shift wine and beer like nobody's business. Equally, I can give it a rest for a day or two. I saw someone die in their 40s of drink who was a third my size but who made me look like a crass amateur when it came to knocking it back. We're all different. I did go to AA's family support group a while back to help us handle someone else's drink problem. That was an eye-opener. We were doing everything wrong. Be aware that if you have a friend or relative who's boozing, AA run meetings that can support you too, and you do need support. Just thought I'd mention it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 06:38 PM

Good work!


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: GUEST,anonymous regular
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 04:54 PM

Thanks largely to Big Al's line about how it would be hell to be back at day one, I have gone 5 months as of today...and just finished the Philly Marathon this morning. Shit that hurt. But thanks to all for the encouraging words and advice above for these months.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 04:04 PM

Quitting smoking is one of the few things in my life that I am totally proud of. Quitting drinking - when it is something one needs to do - is equally pride-worthy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: kendall
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 03:30 PM

Licking an addiction is one of the very best things you can do for yourself.Go for it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: MikeL2
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 02:46 PM

Hi Big Al

<" somehow now I've been sober for three months next Tuesday">

Congratulations Al, you are getting there.

In no-one's life does the sun shine every day. But your are building up for many sunny days in the future.

Keep at it or I will personally come around and bawl at you.

Well done

Regards

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Elmore
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 12:53 PM

Attn; Gnu Thanks for the encouraging words. Yeah, I'm paying the piper, but have enough interests such as music to ease the (figurative) pain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 05 Sep 12 - 04:32 PM

Dani, I have the same bit of luck. All of my Uncles on my Father's side, my Father, and all of my 4 brothers had or have a drinking problem. I enjoy a drink here and there but never got hooked to the point where I couldn't stop. Hell, I've had a shitty day and I'm having a pint of Guinness to stop.
Dani, it's in one of those Guinness classes that I won at trivia night in Hillsborough.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: gnu
Date: 04 Sep 12 - 04:54 PM

Elmore... I hope the health issues get sorted.

Anything other than water is poisonous, it seems, but alcohol and tobacco are extremely dangerous because they kill over time. Perhaps "fun" today and tomorrow but the day after that ya gotta pay and it ain't cheap.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Sep 12 - 11:26 AM

Don't care to sign -

What other personal goals are you working on, or would like to work on? If there is a fitness component, perhaps you can build up to a workout routine or a distance to run - the endorphins generated by exercise feel very good - and could substitute for the buzz of booze. And if you hadn't thought about it, perhaps now is the time to consider this kind of alternative "high."

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: maeve
Date: 03 Sep 12 - 10:06 PM

Listen to gnu- his words are straight and true. We care about you doing what's going to keep you moving forward. You owe it to yourself; no one here is keeping a tally of failures.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 03 Sep 12 - 09:04 PM

What gnu said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: gnu
Date: 03 Sep 12 - 05:52 PM

Just spoke to the OP. I maybe shouldn't post this but I figure, since the OP reads this thread regularly (from what the OP posted), this post might be a reminder tomorrow sometime or whenever.

You said a lot of things to me. No matter about falling off the wagon and feeling shame or any of the other stuff. Only one thing matters and you know what it is. Don't cloud the issue with all that other stuff. Just take care of the one job that means so much to YOU. You did a lent the last time... 40 (almost?) days of feeling better... read all those posts again like you said helped you before.

Whatever. Call me... whatever happens, eh?

Good luck.

PS... There ain't no Huey Lewis drugs. >;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Elmore
Date: 03 Sep 12 - 11:41 AM

Having some health issues which may involve quitting drinking. I have alwways enjoyed a couple of drinks, but am not suicidal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 02 Sep 12 - 08:19 PM

Thank you, gnu.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: gnu
Date: 02 Sep 12 - 03:18 PM

Oops... forgot to say in my last post that I emailed the OP. I guess my mind was preoccupied and there isn't a lot of room in there anymore. >;-) I just heard from a mutual friend. Not the news some might hope for but not terrible. Other than that, I really can't say much.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Sep 12 - 02:38 PM

You can acknowledge that you miss the wine or spirits but at the same time know that you're better off without it. Stopping drinking hasn't helped me achieve my weight-loss goals (in the past it has) but I have more time in the evening to do things that I'd have put off after a couple of glasses of wine - being just a little sleepy or buzzed takes away a lot of productive time in the day.

Do you have an image in your mind of the self you WANT to be? Concentrate on that. Visualization is a powerful tool.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Sep 12 - 11:54 PM

No one knows better than he does that he's got to try again.

But you have to wait for the clouds to lift to see the sunshine.

somehow now I've been sober for three months next Tuesday - I'd say the colours aren't so bright - but to compensate for that I've got long range vision. I can envision very clearly how I'll feel after the fourth or fifth generous jolt out of the whisky bottle.

Don't wanna go there. Not ever again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: gnu
Date: 01 Sep 12 - 07:58 AM

I haven't heard any word from the OP in a while. No response yet. I am sure the interest and well wishes are appreciated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 08:59 PM

I, too, would like to hear from the original poster again. I hope he is soon ready to give it another go.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 01:06 PM

Living in the heart of downtown as I do (within earshot of FIVE bars and two package stores) I see the results of heavy drinking every day and every evening. Happy drunks, morose drunks, weepy drunks, quarrelsome drunks all take their turn through my eyes and ears and heart. They have told me their story, have shared their pasts and their aspirations, and their belief that they won't last another winter. Indeed, some of them have died.

Some- most - of them come from heavy drinking families; one man told me, awestruck, that *one* sister of his never drank. NEVER drank, he repeated wonderingly.

Another told me that the first time he got drunk was when he was 7 years old- and his parents thought it was so *cute*.

I don't know many 'genteel' drunks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: GUEST,anonymous regular
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 08:05 AM

I don't care to sign my name to this:

You trying again?

What day?


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 20 Aug 12 - 05:32 AM

If you do what you've always done, you know what the result will be.
Time for a change you can believe in.
(:-( ))=


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 20 Aug 12 - 05:15 AM

Life is not meant to be easy, my child; but take courage -- it can be delightful.
(George Berard Shaw)

Life is mostly froth and bubble,
two things stand like stone
Kindness in another's trouble,
Courage in your own.
(Adam Lindsay Gordon)

They keep me going!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 09:56 PM

I quit for a year and a half. Fell off the wagon.
6 months later quit again. Nothing more in 30 years. Sometimes you have to go back and remind yourself how shitty it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Wesley S
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 09:37 PM

" I truly feel like I have failed them as well as me."

Yourself - maybe. But only if you don't learn something from this experience. You certainly haven't failed me. There are a lot of witty sayings I can pass on but here's one of my favorites:

"You can't see your future in a rear view mirror."


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 09:29 PM

If you watch someone trying to learn an instrument, you can be happy when he gets something right. You can be hopeful when he doesn't get something easily though, because he DID get some of it, and you know he'll eventually figure the rest out.

You know how good it felt to be successful. You know how good it felt to not be poisoning yourself. You might make some folks here happy for you, but the only person who really matters is you. You have to want to not drink for you if you're going to be successful. We're on your side, but we don't have control. You do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 09:22 PM

Here's another hand to hold, if you want.

I've been fortunate in my life (and am knocking on wood) that I can enjoy drinking in moderation. Alcohol problems are all over my family history. I understand a little about addiction, and what it takes to overcome it.

Recovery is not for sissies.

AA can be amazing and miraculous, many of their tenets are simple truths we could ALL use to be reminded of over... and over... and over again. Like the Serenity Prayer.

Glad you reached out. Sending you good wishes for continued wisdom, peace and strength.

Dani


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: GUEST,, I don't care to sign my name to this
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 09:07 PM

"The history of today is still there for you to write."

Wise words.

Mooh and others... thanks.

I guess I just used the close death to justify my "What the F*** attitude". Surely my friend would have wanted me to celebrate his death by not drinking in his honour. But any excuse to justfy a drink sounds good when you want it to sound good.

Don't beat myself up? That is hard. I was told I made people happy by what I was doing and writing about in this topic. I truly feel like I have failed them as well as me.

I could go on about this and that but it won't make any difference. Only I can make a difference. I'll be back when I do.

In the mean time, I will read every comment. Thanks again to every one of you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 03:21 PM

For some people, it seems, substituting a non-alcoholic drink works. A friend of mine told me his psychiatrist told him that what the friend craved was the convivial atmosphere in a pub/bar, advising him to carry a tall glass of cola with a twist or cherry and no one would be the wiser. For my friend, it worked.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Mooh
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 02:44 PM

Dry for 11 years and counting.

Replace booze with a non-alcoholic drink, do something creative with your hands, avoid alcoholic places until you can attend such places without drinking, exercise instead, don't have booze handy, chewing gum, go to bed at a decent hour without drink, avoid coffee, get up early and do something useful, make no excuses for failure, eat right and avoid the foods you enjoyed while boozing, mark the time and day you stop drinking and focus on the next day, then the next etc.

In the end though, there are no tricks, just mega willpower and stamina.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 02:24 PM

once it goes in your gob, that's where the cut off point comes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 09:51 AM

From the Long Goodbye by Raymond Chandler:-

'I like bars just after they open for the evening. When the air inside is still cool and clean and everything is shiny and the barkeep is giving himself that last look in the mirror to see if his tie is straight and his hair is smooth. I like the neat bottles on the bar back and the lovely shining glasses and the anticipation. I like to watch the man mix the first one of the evening and put it down on a crisp mat and put the little folded napkin beside it. I like to taste it slowly. The first quiet drink of the evening in a quiet bar-that's wonderful," I agreed with him.

"Alcohol is like love," he said. "The first kiss is magic, the second is intimate, the third is routine. After that you take the girl's dothes off."

"Is that bad?" I asked him.

"It's excitement of a high order, but it's an impure emotion-impure in the aesthetic sense. I'm not sneering at sex. It's necessary and it doesn't have to be ugly. But it always has to be managed. Making it glamorous is a billion-dollar industry and it costs every cent of it."

From Big Al

the poetry won't kill you - the booze will.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 07:55 AM

I quite like the the buying - its the results of putting the stuff in your gob that I have trouble with.

Still. As an old headmaster once said to me - its up to every teacher to work out his own on salvation on the floor of the classroom. Its a very individual struggle. Don't buy it - if it helps you. personally i love the glamour of booze - the labels, bottles, the ownership, the poetry thats in the writing of Raymond Chandler. They don't hurt me - itsthe consumption of it and the way I do it personally, which is ugly and unglamorous. That's my problem. And writing about it now - has made me realise that.

So a skirmish defeat was written in the history of this campaign. Doesn't mean the war was lost for this poor chap, who right now is feeling bad and self disgust.

Been there - don't dwell on it. It doesn't help. The history of today is still there for you to write.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 06:47 AM

You can do it. I quit in '83. Get out of the habit of buying it. It's a solvent. Not a beverage.
(:-( D)=


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: maeve
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 06:38 AM

Good morning. Remember there are many here, named and unnamed, rooting for you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Quitting drinking
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 09:18 PM

Don't fret. Another Day One is better than none. You are fighting a war which may have a few more battles. I want you to win. Just don't give up!


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