BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 12 Oct 12 - 11:13 PM

Bad Bad Leroy Brown

Well the South side of Chicago
Is the baddest part of town
And if you go down there
You better just beware
Of a man named Leroy Brown
Now Leroy's more than trouble
You see, he stand about six foot four
All those downtown ladies
Call him treetop lover
All the men just call him Sir

And he's bad, bad Leroy Brown
Baddest man in the whole damn town
Badder than old King Kong
And meaner than a junkyard dog

Now Leroy, he's a gambler
And he likes his fancy clothes
And he likes to wear
His diamond rings
In front of everybody's nose
He's got a custom Continental
He's got an El Dorado, too
He's got a .32 gun
In his pocket for fun
He got a razor in his shoe

And he's bad, bad Leroy Brown
Baddest man in the whole damn town
Badder than old King Kong
And meaner than a junkyard dog

Well, Friday 'bout a week ago
Leroy shootin' dice
And at the edge of the bar
Sat a girl name Doris
And, oh that girl looked nice
Well, he cast his eyes upon her
And the trouble soon began
And Leroy Brown had learned a lesson
'Bout a-messin'
With the wife of a jealous man

And he's bad, bad Leroy Brown
Baddest man in the whole damn town
Badder than old King Kong
And meaner than a junkyard dog

Well, those two men took to fightin'
And when they pulled them from the floor
Leroy looked like
A jigsaw puzzle
With a couple of pieces gone

And he's bad, bad Leroy Brown
Baddest man in the whole damn town
Badder than old King Kong
And meaner than a junkyard dog

Yeah, he was badder than old King Kong
And meaner than a junkyard dog

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Oct 12 - 10:33 PM

Chachi is a good ref. He'll check your gloves to make sure you didn't put anything hard in them, get you to shake hands first, and no hitting below the belt or ear-biting!

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 12 Oct 12 - 10:26 PM

Chicago, Chicago, that toddling town
Chicago, Chicago, I'll show you around, I love it
Bet your bottom dollar, you'll lose the blues in Chicago
Chicago, the town that Billy Sunday couldn't shut down

On State Street, that great street, I just want to say
They do things that they don't do on Broadway
They have the time, the time of their life
I saw a man, he danced with his wife in Chicago
Chicago, my home town

Chicago, Chicago, that toddling town
Chicago, Chicago, I'll show you around, I love it
Bet your bottom dollar, you'll lose the blues in Chicago
Chicago, the town that Billy Sunday could not shut down

On State Street, that great street, I just want to say
They do things that they never do on Broadway, say
They have the time, the time of their life
I saw a man and he danced with his wife in Chicago
Chicago, Chicago that's my home town

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 11:45 AM

Are you guys both aware that Chongo can provide a gym, a boxing ring, 2 sets of gloves, and a Baboon named Chachi for a referee?

"Won't you please come to Chicago?" (la, la, la...)

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 08:32 AM

Dear Bobert:

You do know that the Betty Ford center is for alcohol and drug addiction don't you?

You are aware that you are fond of bragging about smoking dope and guzzling moonshine aren't you?

You are aware that you brag about your math skills and knowledge about stats aren't you?

You are aware that you are a blowhard that never backs up any of your assertions with any proof aren't you?

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 09:50 PM

You are addicte3d to me, Sawz...

You have been for years... You were addicted to me as Old Guy... You were addicted to me as Dickey and you are still addicted to me as Sawzalll...

If you go back thru all my posts one of your three handles here have had a proclivity toward...

...me!!!

Do you deny that you were both Old Guy and Dickey???

No, you don't... I know you were and you know you were...

So...

...your addiction...

Call Betty Ford and quick...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 09:29 PM

Bobert: "I have no problem with statistics"

So why can he only respond with Betty Ford?

It must be a frequent retreat for him.

I think they only treat drug addiction and alcoholism.

Is there anywhere you can get your blowhardism treated Bobert?

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Oct 12 - 01:14 PM

I sure hope so! I was expecting to get through and didn't! You know what that feels like? It's sort of like telephonus interruptus...

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Oct 12 - 12:45 PM

The Betty Ford Clinic has software on their phone system that detects the real addicted people from the impostors... Apparently, in spite of your fascination with monkeys and Dylan, you must not meet their strict requirements or you would be getting thru...

Keep workin' on those addiction, however, LH and maybe one day you will be right up there with Sawz...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Oct 12 - 12:12 PM

I just tried dialing that 800 number you posted, Bobert. Of course, you can only go so far as the "Y" in BETTY...but anyway, I dialed it, and it went through! But then it just kept ringing and ringing and ringing. They won't pick up. I finally hung up after it rang about 35 times.

What is your explanation?

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Oct 12 - 10:39 AM

1-800-BETTYFORD...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 09 Oct 12 - 09:16 AM

Apparently Bobert is not the math guru he claims he is.

You do use Excel don't you Bobert?

You can make a graph or chart directly from the Data.

Even Chongz uses Excel to keep track of his peanut holdings.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Oct 12 - 09:09 AM

Actually, Chongz got that idea from Carlos Castaneda, LH, when Carlos told Don Juan to have someone kick Don's Juan's son's ass because everyone needs a good ass whuppin' in life...

Either way, I agree...

I sho nuff had 'um...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Oct 12 - 12:48 AM

Right!

And when you're done with that, Sawzaw, read Chongo Chimp's manifesto on Primate and Human Rights. I predict you'll be moved to tears, and will rush out to vote for the APP in an advance poll.

Chongo believes that EVERYONE deserves an equal kick at the can when they are young and starting out in life. What does that require? It requires an equal place on the start line of life, that's what...meaning decent housing for everyone, gainful employment for everyone at a decent wage, free education for everyone right through university, and free (and equal quality) medical care for everyone. Some would mislabel that "socialism", but Chongo calls it...justice!!! It's what any sane and responsible society would do...specially if it wants to prosper and have a good future.

And you can't do it when your primary emphasis is on fighting wars of aggression, keeping up the world's most bloated military production, and getting rich off antisocial Ponzi schemes.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Oct 12 - 12:00 PM

BTW, Sawz... Google "Belmont & Fishtown" by Charles Murray and read the entire piece ***for overall content*** which means no cherry picking and/or taking things out of context...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Oct 12 - 11:41 AM

The stats are all over the internet, Sawz...

Google "working class wages 1982 -2012" and leave the few alone that are obviously Obama haters...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 Oct 12 - 10:42 AM

Here are is the raw data from the US Census Bureau Bobert.

Please crunch the numbers and tell us how it supports your statement that: "This decline began under Reagan and was pretty steady until Bush when it took a nose dive"

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 Oct 12 - 10:20 AM

"This decline began under Reagan and was pretty steady"

Got any numbers or stats to go along with that Mr. Math Expert?

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Oct 12 - 08:18 AM

Right stat, wrong analysis, as per usual...

This decline began under Reagan and was pretty steady until Bush when it took a nose dive...

As much as the usual Obama haters would like to pin this on Obama, it ain't on Obama...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 11:54 PM

"a nation in decline"

Yer doin' a heckuva job there Barry.

By the way I couldn't help but notice your net worth has gone up to around $11,830,000.00 while the average American's net worth has decreased.

Do you deserve it?

Are you subject to Obamacare? Is Congress?

Just asking.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 11:14 PM

"1/2 of Americans now live at 125% of poverty ***or less***"

Thanks Obama

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: GUEST,999
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 11:16 AM

Mitt's 47%.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 12:28 AM

Oh, I'm not taking issue with what you said, Don. It's a point well worth making. I was just adding to it, that's all.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Oct 12 - 12:17 AM

Except, of course, for those who know what these words mean. And there are a few around here.

There are college courses, usually in the Philosophy Department, in Ethics and Political Philosophy. I've had a few of those. . . .

Which is why I said what I said.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 08:47 PM

Most people just use words to mean whatever they want them to mean, Don. (within some reasonable limitations)

For instance, everyone here who has a favorite hobbyhorse for attacking religion uses the word "God" to mean what they want it to mean (something stupid), just like rightwingers and Republicans use "liberal" or "socialist" to mean what they want it to mean (something stupid), and just like Democrats use "teapublican" to mean what they want it to mean (something stupid).

No further inquiry is made in any of these three cases, because there's no desire to inquire further...only a desire to attack and condemn.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 04:05 PM

There are a few people here—and in the world at large—who keep intoning like a mantra, "Liberals believe this and liberals believe that," but who don't really have a clue as to what the word "liberal" means, especially as a philosophical position and as a political position, or what those of the liberal persuasion really believe. They ignorantly throw it around as if it were a curse word.

Stoopud!!

When I was a kid, my mother once told me, "If you don't want to make a complete fool of yourself, you'd better learn what a word means before you start using it."

Good advice, folks!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 03:18 PM

Yessir! It certainly does.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 03:09 PM

Well, that knocks out 90% of 'um, LH...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 03:03 PM

The thread title is misleading. The point is that people who live by fraud, instutionalized corruption, ponzi schemes, and outrageous exploitation of their fellow human beings do not deserve their wealth.

This would include some of the rich. It would not include various others among the rich. There's no point simply asking the question "Do the rich deserve their wealth?", because it's a stupid question. It lumps all rich people together as if they were all the same, and they're not.

It's as stupid and pointless as asking, "Do Republicans deserve to live?" or "Do Democrats deserve to own minivans?"

Ask a stupid question? You'll get a stupid answer. So what you have in that poll is 58% of the people who gave a stupid answer to a colossally stupid question. ;-) And 42% who gave a different stupid answer to the same colossally stupid question. There IS no intelligent or useful way of responding to such a poll, except to refuse to take part in it.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 10:27 AM

"What do YOU consider to be a fair percentage of real income that should be paid in taxes? "

What the heck do you mean by real income?

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 10:10 AM

Bobert,

The effect of inflation, as caused by the present government spending policies, has a far greater effect on the increase in poverty than the increase in income of a small part of the population- yet you are fine with that.

As for unions, they are one of the main reasons over the last 30 years for the inflation that has increased the poverty levels.

If the top 1% has seen an increase in income of 300% ( unproven) then they have kept up with the inflation caused by union contracts and pensions. Are you going to demand that THEY be taxed as well?


What do YOU consider to be a fair percentage of real income that should be paid in taxes?

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 09:56 AM

Fewer peanuts

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 09:10 AM

No, liberals are pissed off that the federal government has been in bed with union busting goons for the last three decades and all but killed off the middle class...

The average working stiff's income increase (after inflation) over the last 30 years has flat lined while the average income of the upper 1% has been 300%...

1/2 of Americans now live at 125% of poverty ***or less***....

These are the facts and point to a nation in decline...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 09:02 AM

Liberals seem to believe that if you tax the well off enough, you can raise everyone above the average income.


Liberals appear to be people who think that everyone can be above average.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 04 Oct 12 - 07:34 AM

Chongo has a somewhat full bag of peanuts that he has saved up.

He is in the top 1% of peanut owners in the Chimp world.

If other Chimps with less peanuts than him do not take part of his bag of peanuts, it amounts to giving him more peanuts according to Liberal Chimps who have no concept of personal property.

Except theirs that is. They believe what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine too. It is unfair for you to have more peanuts than I do.

Things are very simple in the world of Chimps.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 07:12 PM

Hmmm. Well, Jack, accordin' to yer chart there on that page ya linked, I am now free to say to any human being that bugs me, "Shut up, you damn, dirty ape!"

So...THIS is what it feels like to be Charlton Heston! ;-D Ook! Ook!

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 06:09 PM

Polls are bullshit when they use language that can mean different things to different people...

The only good polls are the ones where there are distinct choices...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Stringsinger
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 05:55 PM

A general question so, define wealth. How rich?

Most American's are wealthy compared to other less privileged countries.

How much rich do they deserve?

Ask the 58% if they would like their social security and medicare cut to
go into the pockets of the rich?

That's the trouble with polls.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 01:22 PM

apes-are-monkeys-deal-with-it

Never try to teach logic to an ape. It annoys the ape and annoyed apes sometimes bite people's faces off.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 09:51 AM

Pat Fisher never made those big bucks...

Nor did any of those old timers... Johnny U rode public transportation... Mickey Mantle used to the subway to get to the ballparks...

I ain't sayin' that they don't deserve to make decent money... And the average career is only about 5 years (if that) so given that they will pay physically for the rest of their lives they need to be paid decent money... I think a $2M-$3M a year cap would be fine as long as there was also a pension plan and health insurance for life that goes with it...

My problem with the system is that a lot of football players ain't the sharpest knives in the drawer and are are taken advantage of their entire playing life... Especially in college where they don't come out knowing much more about making good decisions about money than if they never went to college... Then the agents take their hand and advantage of them and then they get hurt and they are broke and disabled and no education to fall back on...

The NFL makes billion$$$ a year off the sacrifices these men make and I whole-heartedly believe that the NFL should be the one assuming "personal responsibility" for the health and well-being of it's players...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 09:04 AM

Corner Back? Do they sit in the corner or something?

They get paid all that big money to save up for a retirement which they promptly blow.

As for the beating up, they do that to each other on a voluntary basis.

So that makes them victims of something?

Some of them manage their money and end up rich. Some piss it away.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 04:57 PM

No, none of them should be making that kind of money when so many retired football players are out there beat all the hell and living like refugees... The NFL needs to spend as much as it currently spends (or more) on players but spread it around better and take care of people after they leave...

My ol' buddy, Pat Ficher, who played corner-back for the Washington Redskins walked like an 80 year old man when he was 50... The NFL beat the crud outta people and then discards them...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 12:16 PM

Do football Players deserve their wealth?

1. Drew Brees ($49.4 million) Salary

2. Peyton Manning ($42.4 million)

3. Haloti Ngata ($37.3 million)

4. Larry Fitzgerald ($36.8 million)

5. Ndamukong Suh ($36 million)

___Strongly Agree

___Somewhat Agree

___I need to know if they support Obama first

___Somewhat Disagree

___Strongly Disagree

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 11:11 AM

The world is full of people who look down their noses in pity at all those who are so foolish as to disagree with them about something...about anything, in fact. And they're all mutually looking at each other that way. Thus does the human ego strut and preen for a few short hours on its precious little stage, regarding itself as the King of Creation, fearing its own imminent demise, regreting and denying its absolute smallness in the face of life, blithering on in the void of its own insatiable hunger and its ravening desire to either dominate or destroy.

- Meditations on the Foibles of Homo Sapiens, Volume III by Albert Chamois, translated from the Chimpanzee West African patois, 1922.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: GUEST,999
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 10:52 AM

Climate's what ya hope for; weather's what ya get.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 10:17 AM

"Well then Sawzaw, thank you for your invaluable contribution to the conversation about American football."

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 10:11 AM

Well Well Well. It had to happen.

Bobert has done had a wardrobe malfunction and here he is with his ass hanging out trying to prove something with no proof.

It ain't too attractive neither. All scrawny and pasty. Even Chongz has to turn his head away in disgust.

JTS and Don are workin' their self to death pickin' Boss Hogg's Boberts cotton [his terminology] down on his plantation but it still ain't workin'.

We are supposed to accept his opinions as "facts" like the gold plated M16 Rumsfeld gave to Saddam along with all kinds of unspecified booty and selling him the bad gas he used on the Kurds. He couldn't produce crap to support those "facts" even though he promised he would.

Now he has do divert attention away from his most recent failed bloviation once again with football.

You sure you don't have a bridge to sell us Bobert?

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 09:23 AM

Well, the Queen throws some righteous parties... I mean, millions of people line the streets and, gee, ain't that worth somethin'???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 08:01 AM

""Well then Little Hawk, thank you for your invaluable contribution to the conversation about American football.""

And there was I, thinking this conversation was about the rich, and whether they deserved their wealth.

We live and learn, eh LH?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: 58% Say The Rich Deserve Their Wealth
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 05:14 AM

Well, I suspect this thread has well and truly drifted away from its original thrust.
In the UK, we have a perculiar stituation regarding whether the rich deserve their wealth because the Queen - probably the most admired woman in the country - with a 70% approval rating - is also filthy rich, and is indeed, the richest woman in the land.
Of course, this should mean, that none of those 70% who approve of the Queen, should have the bloody cheek to criticise the bank directors, star footballers etc for also being rich! But they do!