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Subject: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 05:15 AM

Ten to a room and one shower for 75 people

They sleep in portable cabins, some of which have been leaking in the rain, at the campsite in East London

The bad weather has left the site flooded with stagnant water, forcing the cleaners to use abandoned crates as makeshift 'stepping stones'

'It is like a slum inside,' says one worker from Hungary

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2174034/London-2012-Olympics-10-room-1-shower-75-people-Inside-slum-camp-Olympic-cleaner


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 05:46 AM

It is the Daily Mail, so should be taken with a large dose of salt.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: gnu
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 05:59 AM

"Ten to a room and one shower for 75 people"

I simply do not believe that. I would say "doubt" but it is so absurd I chose "not believe".


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 06:08 AM

All too plausible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 06:12 AM

Well, depends how big the 'rooms' are. If they are dormitory-style, then 10 people could easily sleep in one.

However, what with the disgraceful revelations about the security arrangements and the shortcomings of the firm notionally responsible for them, prognostications for the games' organisation do not appear favourable [see Libby Purves' article on today's Times op-ed page].

All a great pity. The Games [for all the animdaversions of the 'usual-suspect' moaners-on-principle-about-everything who abound on this and all such sites, & whose tv's lack an off-button or a channel-change facility ~ no names no packdrill, as they say] could have been an enjoyable and prestigious occasion for us all. But the way things are going...!

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 06:41 AM

Lots of seasonal workers live a similar life. They live in caravans or Portakabins, for a few weeks. They pick fruit, and help with harvests. They don't expect 4 star hotel accommodation to be supplied for temporary work do they?
The unusually heavy rainfall is a side issue, from which we are all suffering. You can't blame that on the Olympic cleaning contractors!


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Leadfingers
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 07:00 AM

The ONLY people who will do well out of the Olympics are huge , mostly non British Corporations - Macdonalds , Coca Cola etc .
Fortunately I will be well out of London for most of the tume !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 09:03 AM

That's the sort of remark I meant, tho, LF. Why "fortunately"; if you stay in London, the Games needn't impinge on you if you don't want them to. Just don't read those pages in the paper & don't switch in to those tv channels. There's a sort of grudging element at work about such remarks which I find distressing. The logistic cockups over the security, & other concomitant inefficiencies, are quite a separate point from the intrinsic undesirability of the Games' very presence & existence, which some, for reasons altogether impenetrable to me, appear to perceive ~~ at tedious and inordinate length.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: gnu
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 09:11 AM

I agree about the bunks but 75 to a shower? Can't see it. Perhaps I should have waited until I was awake to post.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Stu
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 09:42 AM

I agree with Leadfingers.

This is a smorgasbord for corporate interests and has bugger all to do with Olympian values.

Shine on, you can't even buy a bag of chips because those purveyors of shite McDonalds have made some sort of deal that means everyone else can't sell chips alone. This means the arrogant bastards think the thin, tasteless soggy stringy potato crap they sell are the equivalent to real chips, which is obviously complete bollocks.

It's hardly the London games if you can't get a bag of chips. Says it all really. Rich bastards dividing up the spoils whilst the rest of us can get to fuck.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Leadfingers
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 10:08 AM

Clickyis a link to an Independant page about 'Brand' police (286 of them) who will have powers to enter any premises they think are cashing in on the olympics and stopping the Official Sponsors making even more money , with a possible £20,000 Fine . And thats all over the country !


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 10:20 AM

I am trying to track down a VHS tape of the Copper Family made by Barry Callghan / Garland Films.

This is for my aunt who was born and brought up in Rottingdean. Indeed my late mother went to school with Bob Copper. We have all of their books and LPs - in pristine condition I might add. But we do not have this VHS tape.

Chris Metherell who bought the rights to Garland Films, after Barry Callaghan's untimely passing, tells me that the EFDSS are the ones who should re-issue it. However EFDSS tell me that they have no plans for this either on VHS or DVD - partly due to lack of finance and (I suspect) due to lack of interest.

Maybe Veteran Records could think about this? It would make a great addition to their catalogue.

Anyway I'd be grateful for a loan of said VHS if anyone has a copy please.

Chris B.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Stu
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 10:26 AM

Our local well dressing team didn't put the Olympic rings on the display in our village because of worries about copyright infringement. I mean, we need to shrug off these corporate benefit scroungers and start claiming some values back before the bastards sell the lot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 10:55 AM

Sorry - please ignore / delete the last post - what I meant to say was:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2156672/London-2012-Olympics-Sponsors-pick-2-bosses-carry-torch-local-boy-dropped.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2155590/Flames-Greed-How-Olympic-spirit-hijacked-commercialism.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2172837/London-2012-Inside-Olympic-la-la-land-Village-Neon-signs-tell-happy.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2170810/Olympics-officials-question-McDonalds-continue-sponsoring-Games-obesity-concerns.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2174154/London-2012-Olympics-300-enforcement-officers-stop-traders-stepping-sponsors-toes.html

Publicans have been warned that blackboards promoting live TV coverage must not refer to brewers without an Olympics deal. Caterers and restaurateurs have been told not to advertise dishes that could be construed as having an association with the event.

McDonalds has even managed to secure exclusive rights to sell chips at the 40 Olympics venues, banning some 800 other retailers from serving the staple British snack.

Earlier this year grandmother Joy Tomkins, 81, was prevented from entering a doll with a hand-knitted 'GB 2012' outfit into a church fundraising sale.

Authorities ruled that the doll, which was due to be sold for £1 in May, breached the rules.

AND the USA isn't immune from controversy:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2173507/London-Olympics-2012-Cambodian-garment-workers-paid-just-10-week-make-branded-2012-Games-fanwear.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2173620/Democrats-MADE-IN-CHINA-U-S-Olympic-uniform-designer-Ralph-Lauren-revealed-party


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Megan L
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 11:06 AM

Oh dear you do seam to be rather partial to one media source can you coroborate the claims from other sources? It was Nigel Tranter who explained when writting historical stories one should research as many different versions of an event as one could find since the truth usually lay some where between the various parties in the event. perhaps the same should be said of present day events.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 11:18 AM

Shane is in London? London, England?

That's a surprise! He can't normally afford bus fare, so I guess Artixes and the Greys must've given him a lift in their spacecraft.

'It is like a slum inside,' says one worker from Hungary (referring to the Olympics accomodations)

Well, that's exactly what people say about Shane's house too, so he should feel right at home there, I'm thinking. Do they have a beer-chugging event this time?


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 11:46 AM

Only one thing can turn a portakabin into a slum, and that's the folks who dwell therein.
I suggest that folks who are only there to earn money, and only regard the TEMPORARY accommodation as a necessary evil, ain't gonna be really houseproud.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 11:47 AM

Just curious, looked up Daily Mail on the web.

Another garbage tabloid.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 11:49 AM

Olympics organisers have warned businesses that during London 2012 their advertising should not include a list of banned words, including "gold", "silver" and "bronze", "summer", "sponsors" and "London".

Publicans have been advised that blackboards advertising live TV coverage must not refer to beer brands or brewers without an Olympics deal, while caterers and restaurateurs have been told not to advertise dishes that could be construed as having an association with the event.

At the 40 Olympics venues, 800 retailers have been banned from serving chips to avoid infringing fast-food rights secured by McDonald's.


Unbelievable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 12:01 PM

And kind of hilarious...in the sense of really dark humour.

I can imagine some future race of intelligent dinosaurs poring over the ancient human archeaological remains on this planet and saying to themselves, "What could have caused them all to die off so rapidly?"

And then they find the imperishable McDonalds food packaging scattered around amongst the ruins...and some petrified fries and a Big Mac.....AHA!


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Stu
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 12:22 PM

"Another garbage tabloid."

No, the tabloids are just stupid.

The Daily Mail is a vitriolic, cynical, nasty, mean little rag which isn't fit to wipe the clagnuts off the arses of most of the people in the country (bankers, politicians. corporate scroungers and church leaders excepted, for whom it's almost too good).


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 12:32 PM

Must say, SFJ, that your final parenthesis could equally be summed up, it seems to me, as "vitriolic, cynical, nasty, mean".

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Stu
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 12:52 PM

Ah well, just tired of thieves, incompetents, the-want-something-for-nothing-brigade and misogynistic, homophobic charlatans.

Call that what you want, but something in our society has shifted so you, I and pretty much everyone else are now simply lemons to be squeezed. The thing about the Olympics is it should bring out the best in people, but it's all about status and generating income, on the backs of the work of modern olympians from both the games events.

McDonalds have kindly agreed to pay tax on the 'food'* they sell, obviously to offset the criticism that they are tax dodgers. However, Diddy Dave and his pals passed legislation meaning that no foreign nationals (athletes, journalists etc) and 'partner' organisations (Coca Cola, Visa, Dow, Panasonice, Samsung) don't have to pay tax; Stratford is an offshore tax haven.





* In the interests of full disclosure, I have to state I do eat McDonalds occasionally. Not often, and only in desperation but it has happened. however, this does mean I can air an opinion on the taste, nutritional value etc of their food. It is shite.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Stu
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 12:58 PM

Error: I think the legislation creating a tax haven was passed in 2006, meaning the pseudo-tories in before are responsible. Not that Didy Dave et. al. were ever likely to develop a sense of social responsibility and charge these people and firms their due. No fun putting big business out of, er, business.

They're not like the rest of us you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 01:03 PM

I've eaten McDonalds "food" on rare occasions too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 01:12 PM

Why pray, would anyone want to buy chips when this is the new potato season? Well, I suppose the lower classes cannot do without them!


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 02:02 PM

The Olympics are in effect occupying East London and hugely inconveniencing all but the VIPs associated with them. Travel for many many thousands is sabotaged. They adversely affect many many people.

Bonzo - please go back to Argentina and its enclaves of descendents of you know who. You wouldn't know class if it bit you on the arse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 02:22 PM

Reassuring, Sugarfoot Jack, to learn that potatoes now feature in the production of McDonalds "chips."


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Stu
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 02:52 PM

I suppose they're made of potatoes. Difficult to tell really, as they are always flaccid, rather sad-looking and tastless. The burgers are apparently made with pink slime (worth looking up, but not before tea), and the fish is probably bleached offcuts of a cods arsecheeks.

Odd no-one has mentioned G4S, immigrant-'restraining', right up the backside of government firm who have not only lied to the hapless Theresa May but also are now going to cost us a packet in soldiers and coppers being sent in to do the job instead.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 03:01 PM

I mentioned the G4S cockup above, SFJ ~ 0612 am; tho I had forgotten their name. It's all a pity. These games should have been worth having; but all this bureuacracy, idiot exclusiveness and restraint of trade, and inefficiency inexpertly covered up, threaten the integrity of the whole occasion Opportunity wantonly wasted, is the threat, I fear.

But I must put in a word for the Mac-fry [or chip]: about only thing on their menu, along with the hot apple pie, worth eating. That no reason for it to be the only one available, tho: there is a horrible over-anxiousness apparent all thru the organisation of the whole occasion, which, I say again, threatens to scupper it entirely.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: MikeL2
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 03:06 PM

Hi

I slept in a place with a tin roof for many months.

I slept in a room with about 20 other people for which we had but three showers......usually cold after the first couple of people had used them.

Believe you me this was no slum. The floors shone and were re-polished every day.

The rooms were inspected every day and the equipment, including personal belongings had to be stored away all cleaned and ironed.

Perhaps we should have some RAF drill instructors in these places - that would soon sort them out - oh I forgot we would be infringing their human rights !!!.

Cheers

MikeL2 - per adua ad asbestos


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Howard Jones
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 03:09 PM

The irony is, I suspect that in true British fashion everything will actually turn out all right and the doom-mongers will be proved wrong.   Nevertheless, it is hardly surprising that many people are indifferent to the Olympics. The brand police have ruthlessly stamped on any attempts to get into the Olympic spirit - or if they haven't, the heavy-handed threats have scared many people off from doing anything to support the Olympics or run Olympic-themed events that might get people into the mood for the games. Of course it was inevitable that the sponsorship deals would go to the big global corporations, but any sense of Britishness has been eradicated by the substitution of British beer by Heineken lager and the British chip by McDonalds' french fries. The fiasco of ticket sales left many people believing they had no chance of getting tickets, so they didn't bother.

The Olympic VIP traffic lanes and missile launchers on people's roofs are no doubt necessary but are deeply un-British, and far from being reassuring leave the impression that the Olympics are another world being imposed on the rest of us - which of course they are. And the final straw - we are now told it may be too cold for the beach-volleyball players who may now wear leggings and long-sleeved tops instead of bikinis.

I am not anti-Olympics, but they will be happening 200 miles from me and I am neither more nor less interested just because they are in London than I would be if they were happening anywhere else.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 03:16 PM

; if you stay in London, the Games needn't impinge on you if you don't want them to. Just don't read those pages in the paper & don't switch in to those tv channels.
Some of us have folk music interests outside of Mudcat. Going out to folk clubs will be affected.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 03:28 PM

Or indeed: "I am not anti-Olympics - providing the emphasis is on sport - but they will be happening a mere 20 miles from me and I am neither more nor less interested just because they are in East London than I would be if they were happening anywhere else."


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 04:22 PM

Look, if you live or work in London YOUR transport will be crippled and rights of way Englishmen have travelled since 1189 will be restricted to Olympians and bigwigs.

If you live in London, there are ack-ack guns ready to shoot down allegedly terrorist planes - onto YOUR roof.

If you rent a home in London, YOUR home will be priced beyond your reach (if the rent is variable) because of the moronic Olympics.

Businesses are restricted from using the words "London" or the numerals "2012" - because of the bloody Olympics.

There will be nothing but grunts on the TV for about 4 weeks.

And people will line the pockets of the Dirty Digger for most of that coverage.

The whole thing is a conspiracy against the ordinary Englishman.

The money will go into the pockets of the Etonians and their mates. Any losses will be picked up by the poor who subsidise the rich and the tax system for the benefit of the Etonians.

Aux barricades!


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 05:17 PM

Hey, I'm happy about it! I'm happy that it's happening where you lot live, and not where I do. ;-D But what does Olive Whatnoll have to say about it? That's what I want to know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Will Fly
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 06:22 PM

I can't stand sport of any sort, so the Olympics mean absolutely bugger-all to me. I shall indeed exercise my prerogative with the TV remote control and ensure, as far as I can, that no sport and as little news of sport as possible appears in front of me for the duration of the games. Luckily, I'm retired from the day job and live on the south coast where I will, hopefully, not be affected by the buggering-up of London streets.

I suppose the dear old Guardian will inevitably have some sports coverage in it - but I'll skip those pages wherever the Olympics appear as far as possible. It's also likely that my local pub will show some sport on its TV, but they usually have the sound down so, if I stand with my back to the screen, I shan't see it with a bit of luck.

As an extra precaution I'm currently doing a rain dance every evening in my back garden, hoping that the jet stream will continue to swirl over the Olympic site(s), and digging up medieval curses and invocations of the blackest kind to spoil the fun. Actually, there's a Carthusian monastery three miles up the road from me - I quite fancy a peaceful month there...


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 06:52 PM

Last time we had the Olympics in London in 1948 the total cost came to £732,268 - and after taking income from tickets and stuff, the organisers ended up making a modest profit of £29,420, £9000 of which was taken by the Inland Revenue. No sponsorship deals with the likes of Coca Cola etc. were involved- and none were needed.

Prices have gone up since then of course - that £732,268 would now be equivalent to £23 million.

The way this whole thing has mushroomed and been exploited is ridiculous and rather degrading. Degrading to the whole idea of the Olympics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 06:54 PM

LOL! You're a man after my own heart, Will.

We must keep in mind, though, that Sport will always be very interesting and meaningful to those who take part in it...but that doesn't mean you and I have to watch it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Bugsy
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 08:16 PM

75 to a shower???

Sounds like a FOLK FESTIVAL!

CHeers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 09:04 PM

An article in this month's Smithsonian Magazine: "Let the Good Thames Roll!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: MikeL2
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 06:38 AM

Hi

I share many views and activities with Will.

But on sport we are opposites !!!

I have played and taked part in several sports including Rugby Union, Rugby League, Football, Basketball, Golf from Inverness ( some personal interest for me cos I used to live there ) and even table-tennis.

At the moment I am housebound and am due to go into hospital tomorrow for an operation - not serious.

So sport on TV is a boon for me and in the past few days I have witnessed two great Rugby League semi-final games; Athletics from London; Moto Gp racing from Holland and I have even got into Cycling with the Tour De France.

After my op I will be able tp watch The British Open Golf Championship from Lytham - St- Anne's. ( I was due to spend some time there but have had to hand over my tickets etc to my son who is very pleased to deputise!!).

Then there is the Formula One Grand Prix from Germany and then hard on their heels comes the Olympics.

For me absolute Heaven.

I know that this is not for everyone. And I do understand how others feel that do not share my sporting interests - but hey this TV Sporting Extravaganza has come just at the right times for this old crock.

I am lucky that in no way am I inconvenienced by the Olympics and so I give them my blessings and hope to see many British medal winners.
I do feel sympathy for those who will be inconvenienced and especially those who have absolutely no interest.

I am doubly lucky because my wife shares most of my sporting interest and so we have no house-hold quarrels over TV. She just goes into another room if she wants to watch something else.

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Sugarfoot jack awash in a sea of electrons
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 07:01 AM

I too enjoy sport, but simply can't afford it. Like the Olympics, my favourite sports (football and now effing F1 have) been handed over lock stock to the digger and oterh money men.

Wankers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 08:00 AM

SugarfootJack:
However, Diddy Dave and his pals passed legislation meaning that no foreign nationals (athletes, journalists etc) and 'partner' organisations (Coca Cola, Visa, Dow, Panasonice, Samsung) don't have to pay tax;
To cut the excess verbiage: Everyone will pay tax.
Or is that not what you meant?


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 08:06 AM

With you 100% on F1 Jack, but I loathe footie.
I WILL NOT swell the already over full coffers of the dirty digger to watch F1. I MIGHT consider paying a modest amount to watch it elsewhere, but on the whole, I'd rather the BBC spent my licence fee on F1, than on exorbitant salaries for over rated, four eyed ginger twats.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Stringsinger
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 11:02 AM

US Olympics have been privatized. They no longer represent our country.

Also, check out what happened in Canada.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Stu
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 11:28 AM

"Or is that not what you meant?"
Ha! My appalling grammar. Sorry (and again!).

One 'don't' too many in there. They won't be paying tax. Unlike me, a sole trader struggling with rising costs, clients with ever less money and a mortgage. No tax perks for the small fry, just the big corporate sponging turds floating on the surface.

Milton Friedman? Fuck off! Him and his disciples have bollocksed up everything for the rest of us. All this, the devaluing of the Olympics to a commercial free-for all, deforestation, climate change, bankers, libor, foreclosures in the US, drilling in the arctic, child labour, sovereign debt, China owning the world, curable diseases not treated by big pharma, F1 on Sky, crooked politicians, the Republic of The British Financial sector doing what the fuck it wants without accountability, halliburton etc etc etc is all demonstrate the failure of unregulated free-market economics.

These olympics are just another boil on the arse of UK plc. G4S will get away with this fiasco, however if I treated my clients like that I'd get shown the door and the phone would stop ringing. Mind you, I like to think I have some integrity; big business has none it seems.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 11:56 AM

"...four eyed ginger twats."
Define, please.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 12:05 PM

"...four eyed ginger twats."
Define, please.


A reference Chris Evans, I believe.

Somewhat odd given that he's hugely cheaper and has a far bigger audience than Formula One


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Megan L
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 12:26 PM

That does not make either of them value for the exorbitant licence fee it is time they did away with it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: catspaw49
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 12:37 PM

I have the solution for all my Brit friends and it has already worked at least once.

Just declare that any athletic event can only be held between say, 2 AM and 3 AM!!! Simple as that!!! If they try to have one outside of that hour even if it is just starting, shut it down! Turn off the lights and send them packing.

Worked out when they shut down a one time (probably ever) concert from Springsteen and McCartney. I'd go for it if I were you...........


Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Stu
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 12:39 PM

Isn't Clarkson now the highest paid sleb at the BBC? Got some divvies that sent his pay over £3,000,000.

That is how stuffed we are as a society. Streuth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 02:48 PM

Now Clarkson the uber-oaf and the Ginger Winger in the same room. I smell blood...


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 03:18 PM

Spaw, I sense you have a bee in your bonnet over the Mccartney Springsteen thing. Call me percptive!
The cancert was in a residential area, it was scheduled to end at a given time, and it was already over-running by quite some time.
Now call me old fashioned,k
but when I am asked to do 10 minutes, 20 minutes, half an hour etc, I do that.
My ego isn't so huge as to make me think I can go on for as long as I want, and fuck everybody else. Including those who have to clear up afterwards, those who live nearby and need to get some zeds in, ready for work in the morning, etc etc.
Sorry, much as I respect both performers involved, I think they were taking the piss!


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 07:04 PM

Why are you people usin' "ginger" as an insult word? I don't get the drift of that.

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 03:40 AM

"The cancert was in a residential area"
What a wonderful word - especially in the aftermath of the fighting and the damage at the recent Phoenix Park (Dublin) debacle - must remember it for future use.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 04:02 AM

Feel free to use it Jim. It's my own invention :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 04:55 AM

Why are you people usin' "ginger" as an insult word? I don't get the drift of that.
'Ginger' as used above is not being used as an insult. The highly paid Chris evans is a redhead, so 'ginger' is being used as a descriptive term.

'Ginger' as an insult is now heard infrequently as it is not considered 'PC'. However, for completeness sake, it was used as rhyming slang for a homosexual man:
Ginger (beer): Queer.

And the description (used by Richard Bridge) 'Ginger Winger' should be 'Ginger Whinger'.
A whinger is one who whines or complains. A winger is (was) a position if soccer or rugby playing on 'the wing', or the outside of a formation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 05:18 AM

...as opposed to a ginger minger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 06:18 AM

My poem "Olympics or Globalisation?" - http://walkaboutsverse.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/walkaboutsverse-143-of-230.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: saulgoldie
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 09:45 AM

Ooo, ooo! I've got it! A solution to TWO, count 'em, TWO huge problems! Ooo, this is brilliant, even if I do say so myself, and I DO say so myself!

We send Romney to Britain to fix the Olympics! And, he fixes them. And while he is away, we hold the election. And since he is distracted, he loses! This is so crazy, it just could work! Whooda thought?!!

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 09:54 AM

Latest cock up. On the news today - they should have up graded the rail line to Weymouth. It can only take trains with three carriages.

There will be 80 thousand people a day during the Olympic period needing a train connection from London to Weymouth.

Something about piss ups and breweries....


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 10:34 AM

That's usually due to a short platform en route Al. I would guess that it's one of the intervening stations, and not Weymouth itself.
Not read the story, but if that's the case, it's easily solved, it happens on many other routes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 10:34 AM

Surely 3*Three carriage trains is better than 1*nine carriage train (apart from the cost of drivers) as they can stagger departures/arrivals.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 01:36 PM

No its the track. So the solution is:-

London passengers will go as far as Wareham, and then they will be carried on a bus into Weymouth. The platform at Weymouth is as big as Wareham.

Great stufff, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 01:53 PM

Wareham I going, that's what they'll be saying!


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Will Fly
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 02:01 PM

Be I Hampshire? Be I buggery!
I come down from Wareham,
Where all the girls have calico drawers,
And I be there to tear 'em!

[with apologies to Fareham...]


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 11:11 PM

If Olympic sponsorship gives MacDonald's a monopoly on chip sales during the Olympics, would a sponsorship by a pay toilet company give it a monopoly on shit? Would all the restaurants in London be required to lock their restroom doors and direct customers to the convenient pay-per-dump kiosks located on nearby street corners?


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 09:38 AM

The latest fiasco is that due to G4S (Group 4 Security - the company that reportedly loses prisoners) not being able to hire enough security staff - who will actually turn up for duty, many thousands of Brit. soldiers (fresh from putting their lives on the line in Afghanistan) and the Police are now being recruited to take their place.

Criminal gangs including pick-pockets and child-beggars are being shipped in from Romania to scam the unwitting tourists in London. They can make thousands a day. So with at least 3,000 police off the streets the Romanians and others are going to have a field day.

But the latest fiasco is that the Army and Police guys have now been told NOT to bring in packed food with brand-labels on other than those of the mega-corp. sponsors (mainly McDonalds and Cadburys). Apparently these guys are being subjected to the same rules about no food and no drink that the long-suffering public will soon have imposed upon them. And hard-luck if any of the guys need to get cash because ALL ATMs surrounding ALL venues have been blocked form taking Master Card, AMEX, whatever - except for VISA(another mega-corp. sponsor).

The other scandal to hit these shores is that a whole crowd of American TSAs are going to start working at OUR airports. Not only content with intimately body patting hapless airline and rail passengers in the US, they are now going to bring their brand of physical abuse to the UK.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 11:24 AM

For years one has been able to pre clear US immigration when flying from Shannon, or Dublin. So if the intention is for this to be available from a UK airport, then it's good news. The abysmal qyueues and the rude staff at US airports, are well worth missing. They alone are the reason I won't go back to the US by direct flight.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 11:51 AM

Wowee, as we used to say when we were kids. Wonder if every pre-Olympics everywhere elicits such complaints? Oh, if I could but read Chinese! I'm sure they were just as bad.

Look. Every event, every celebration, every festival, everything is inconvenient to somebody - to lots of somebodies. Here in Juneau, Alaska, we know that tourist season discommodes those of us who live here and get no direct benefit from all the money that is being spent to support all the t-shirt and gift shop owners and staff. It lasts five months and it will be back next year.

It is what it is. We will survive tourist season. You will survive the Olympics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Stu
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 12:00 PM

You're right of course Ebbie, but as far as I'm concerned spending money on an event for rich people (£1,600 to see the opening ceremony according to the radio the other day) and corporations (tax haven! yippee!) whilst presiding over the decimation of our cradle-to-grave welfare state set up after the mass suffering of WWII is fucking appalling.

Sorry about the swearing, but this really matters.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 02:34 PM

Like every Olympics, the London version has had glitches in getting the large event organized and running.

I wish the organizers and participants every success in their efforts, which will attract a world-wide audience.

The Olympics must charge, money is needed in large amounts to stage them.
On balance, sponsoring cities have been successful. I'm sure that London will be remembered as one of the successes.

Here in Alberta, we fondly remember the Winter Olympics held here, and the 1976 Summer Games in Canada still lingers favorably in our memories.

Unfortunately, there are always the small number of outsiders who are out of step with the world; they are disproportunately represented in Mudcat below-the-belt.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Howard Jones
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 03:15 PM

If people are mug enough to pay £1600 for a ticket to the opening ceremony, more fool them. Tickets to actual sports events start from £20.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 03:50 PM

Security is very worrying though. You could just walk into the Olympic village site on Portland a couple of weeks ago. The IRA planted a bomb in Brighton - much further ahead than that. No one wants another Munich, and lets face it, we have far more enemies than Germany.

England really needs its spirits lifting and the Olympics - well, we'd all love all England tocelebrate and enjoy it. You just can't help thinking that we've had a long time and spent a lot of money preparing for it, and we've got a few clots on the staff in pretty important positions. I sort of wish Paris had got it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 04:59 PM

For many ticket buyers, the Olympics are a one-time goal.
Prices at www.liveolympictickets.com
Prices in pounds.

Category Gold, good long side, 5697.
Category 1, any long side, 3877.
Category 2, good short side, 2947.
Category 3, any short side, 2445.
Category 4, best available, 1847.

Will be a sellout, as usual.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 05:14 PM

Athletics, to see Bolt in the 100m semi and final; current price:
Gold, 1477
Category 1, 1247 pounds
Category 2, 874
Category 3, 781
Category 4, 577


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 07:22 PM

I assume there must be some people who are really fired up about these "games". But somehow I haven't met a single person who is feeling that way.

For example, I'm in a choir that was invited to take part in a local pre-Olympic event. We had a vote on whether we wanted to, without any discussion we voted not to. No one spoke up in favour of the idea.   I doubt if that was at all untypical.

It's being hyped up by the media like mad, but so what?


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 07:11 AM

Latest shen:

Watched a report last on the BBC Midlands that a wheelchair bound guy can't get tickets for the Disabled Games.......because he is in a wheelchair!!!!! They apparently cannot accommodate anyone in a wheelchair because they did not expect to receive requests from someone disabled!!!!! It is suspected that the real reason is that tickets are being held back for Dignitaries and V.I.P.'s. Ben Elton couldn't have wrote a funnier script at the height of his Blackadder fame! These Games get sadder by the day.

AND all venues which normally host other sporting events and were not built specifically for the Games have had to be "debranded", with all traces of rival companies removed or covered up.

Sky News filmed at the Ricoh Arena, which has had to be renamed The City of Coventry stadium for the Olympics.

The Japanese electronics firm has a long-term naming-rights deal at the stadium, but all of its logos have been erased.

Black seats which spell out the Ricoh name in the main stand have been covered up, and masking tape has been stuck over beer and soft drinks signs in the concourse where food and drink is sold.

Black tape has even covered up the soap dispensers in the toilets.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 07:33 AM

In Greater London and suburbs - to date - there has been a significant and noticeable LACK of 'buzz' or 'razzmatazz' about the coming of the Big Shen. OK - the place is full of tourists as usual but there are NO signs whatsoever of the Olympics being held here (apart from some white rings painted on the roads). Due to the greed of the mega-corp. sponsors and the draconian law(s) against promoting the event locally there are no displays in shop windows, there are no Olympic flags or banners, there is nothing down Oxford Street, there is nothing on the South Bank. The so-called Cultural Olympiad simply hasn't happened. Even the gay scene is devoid of any form of celebratory event. Its as though its a big NON-EVENT in another country. Which it is actually true since the vast majority of the UK public, small businesses and tourists alike have been in the main disenfranchised from the whole affair.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Will Fly
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 07:47 AM

The Games, like most sport these days, is a platform for corporate advertising - now being carried to a disgusting excess.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Stu
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 12:10 PM

"there are always the small number of outsiders who are out of step with the world"

Brilliant! Funniest thing I've read on here for donkey's.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 05:19 PM

Minister's daughter exposes Olympic safety scandal: Stewards made to fake NVQ qualifications and 'trained' in one hour at nightclub

Prison Minister Crispin Blunt's daughter Claudia, 20, recruited through company Tungsten SIA, based in Witney, Oxfordshire

Stewards given fake documentation for safety qualification, didn't receive any first aid training and weren't subject to criminal background checks

By SARAH DUGUID, NICK CRAVEN and HELENA IZETT

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2177018/Claudia-Blunt-Ministers-daughter-exposes-Olympic-safety-scandal.html

Olympic chiefs have launched an urgent investigation after stewards responsible for the safety of thousands of spectators were told to forge exam qualifications.

Whistle blower Claudia Blunt, the daughter of Prisons Minister Crispin Blunt, today exposes how lives could have been put at risk after students recruited to help at the Games were fed the answers to a crucial safety exam instead of doing the 12 months of study it normally takes. And the Cambridge student reveals how:

* In a dimly-lit nightclub, around 80 recruits were given bogus documentation bearing the name of a college that does not even offer the safety qualification.

* The would-be stewards were told to exaggerate their experience if questioned by Olympic organisers.

* None of the students was subject to criminal background checks.

* The recruits were told that even though they had no first aid training, they might have to provide medical attention.

After the superficial 'training' session in Oxford nightclub Wahoo, the recruits paid a visit to the Earls Court exhibition centre in London, where 15,000 people will watch each of 16 Olympic volleyball sessions.

They were not searched, nor did they have their identity checked, yet they were told codewords for possible emergencies such as chemical spills or bomb scares.

'The supervisor asked the group if anyone had to be anywhere later on that evening. I said I had to be somewhere at 6pm, so she said, "Right. This will be a quick one".'

The exam papers, for the Level 2 NVQ in 'spectator safety, were headed 'Bishop Auckland College', an institution that none of the students had heard of. The test consisted of several pages of multiple choice questions. Locog stipulates this qualification – which normally takes six to 12 months of study – is the minimum for Olympic stewards.

Ms Blunt said: 'The woman read out the questions and then gave us the answers. They told us to put down only our GCSEs as qualifications. She whistled through it and at one point even said, "It'll look better if you get some of the answers wrong." '

The students were told to sign their exam papers but were told, on several occasions, not to date them.

Ms Blunt said: 'She told us that we were meant to complete the course in 12 months so everything would have to be backdated. There was one date we were allowed to put in. She told us to state that we had worked for Tungsten SIA since March 2011.'


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 08:05 PM

More stupid stuff from the Daily Mail tabloid.

The Guardian, The Times, would have more reliable reports.

Best wishes to Danny Boyle and his opening ceremony for the Olympics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Leadfingers
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 10:29 PM

The Football Opening match in Cardiiff , England Ladies match , will only be half full And a lot of the occupied seats are freebies , just to get SOME people there - There have been reports in the last couple of days that Four Hundred Thousand tickets have not even been offered for sale yet !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Jul 12 - 03:26 AM

Football is a tribal pastime, so very few Brits have any interest invested in Olympic footie.
Add to that the fact that it's a ladies match, which is nearly always a poorly attended event, and it's no surprise that there is a lack of demand for tickets.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 23 Jul 12 - 06:55 AM

The Shen continues ...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/olympics/4444496/Olympic-Games-terror-visas-racket-exposed-by-The-Sun.html

Mon, 23 Jul 2012

Dodgy passport ... bought by Sun man

Olympic 'terror visas' racket
Pakistan passport gang is smashed
EXCLUSIVE
By STEPHEN MOYES
Published: Today at 01:11

A VISA scam giving potential terrorists the chance to sneak into Britain with Pakistan's Olympic team has been smashed by The Sun.

We infiltrated a crime ring offering false passports, visas — and access to London 2012 as bogus support staff.

We uncovered a ring of corrupt Pakistani officials and travel staff conspiring with a prominent politician to bypass stringent security.

First they provided our undercover investigator with a genuine Pakistani passport in a false name.

Then leading Lahore politician Abid Chodhary spelled out how for around £7,000 he could get our man a two-month visa — and smuggle him into London 2012 as part of Pakistan's Olympic squad.

The Sun secretly filmed Mr Chodhary as he explained how easy it was to get into the Olympic Village by masquerading as a member of the athletes' support team.

We were told we could even take part in Friday's opening ceremony.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Jul 12 - 02:11 PM

More alarmist garbage from the notorious British tabloids to satisfy the cravings of scandal-lovers.

The Guardian has a thought-provoking (not tabloid knee-jerk) article,
"Will the Olympics be a Winner for East London?", 7 July 2012.
Gist- East Londoners will try to get away during the Games, but a much changed infrastructure will remain after the Games. An infrastructure that will "be an asset to their community for years to come."
These include one new train line and one major line upgrade, a light railway line extension and a useful ("if repulsive") Westfall shopping mall.
The Olympic facilities, if managed correctly, will be a boon for those who participate in sport. Funding must be maintained.
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Tickets- of course, sports unpopular with the public will be poorly attended. What else is new?
It is true that women are poorly supported by the public except in some athletic events such as running and swimming. Nothing new here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 23 Jul 12 - 02:30 PM

Of course, the Olympic are too big, but - unfortunately - its very size is what makes them such an attraction.
For example, athletics has always been called "the showpiece" of the Olympics, but athletics is not very popular as compared to many other sports.
Indeed, if all the star athletes were to appear in a meeting at the Crystal Palace then they would attract a crowd no bigger than some division one football matches.
Having said all that, I wouldn't swap all those great track and field stars, and great swimmers, and great cyclist for all the footballers, golfers, and cricket players in the world.
I'm right behind our athletes, and Jessica Ennis in particular(!).
Despite the weather, and the traffic, and Boris, I believe these games will be fantastic.
By the way, what if the Olympics had been in Bejing this year.
I can see the headlines " Usain Bolt washed away in horrendous flood!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Jul 12 - 02:53 PM

Looking forward to the Games, even if only as a TV spectator.

And thanks to the corporations who will sponsor the events on TV.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Jul 12 - 03:32 PM

Well I shan't see one iota of it. Hopefully.
I hope those who want to enjoy it do so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 23 Jul 12 - 05:57 PM

"Just don't read those pages in the paper & don't switch in to those tv channels."

That means that I am left with very little choice - sport, sport, sport, sport ... and more f***ing sport, in every medium I look at - and has been for months! I rather hope that the f***ing Olympics all goes horribly pear-shaped, in some, as yet, unforeseen (but, naturally, non-lethal) fashion and is NEVER EVER staged again!! And it hasn't even started yet - and I hate it, hate it, hate it already!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Jul 12 - 06:11 PM

""A VISA scam giving potential terrorists the chance to sneak into Britain with Pakistan's Olympic team has been smashed by The Sun.""

And of course Sun journalists are models of probity who would never indulge in any form of copy selling dishonesty.

So we can all take this as GOSPEL, can't we..........?

Hang on a mo! Which sleazy bunch of phone hackers are still under investigation??

Oh Yeah! News International..................!

And who owns the Sun..................?

Oh Shit!
Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Jul 12 - 10:18 PM

It has been some years since I last visited the UK, but I remember how hard it was to find a good newspaper. I had to go to one of the better hotels or a large news and book agent to find a Times or Guardian.
On the other hand the tabloids with their garbage were everywhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 03:22 AM

I think sport is fantastic and should be encouraged at every step.
My god, doesn't everyone realise that we are all heading in to a - not so brave - obese new world!
These fantastically fit young people are amazing, and a wonderful example of what mankind and do with their bodies - as opposed to those who prefer to see how fat and unhealthy they can make themselves.
Indeed, these young people are truly superhumans.
If you don't believe me, then go and measure out 29 and half feet( the equivalent of five 5ft 10in men laid end to end) and then tell me that an ordinary human-being could jump that far.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 03:30 AM

if you stay in London, the Games needn't impinge on you if you don't want them to. Just don't read those pages in the paper & don't switch in to those tv channels

And don't try to get to work (providing dedicated lanes for some causes delays for everyone else; heaven knows what the tube and buses will be like.)

And in particular, don't try to work in Stratford, as my daughter does in one of her many roles.

And of course, if you are resident in London, don't pay the extra rates that you've been volunteered for.

To those who enjoy the games, great, I have no problem. But really the idea that those who don't can just avoid them is not up your usual standard. MthGM.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 03:57 AM

We don't actually seem to be paying any extra in rates at the moment. Of course Newham Council could just be cutting services instead but no extra money is coming out of my pocket to pay for the Olympics. And my streets are cleaner, and the road markings are being refreshed, and the canal towpaths and Greenway have been upgraded...I think we may be reaping some of the benefits already.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 04:09 AM

DMcG ~ Thanks for the implied, if somewhat backhanded, compliment.

My response was to those who were complaining of the media obsession being unavoidable. It was, I think, posted before the absurdities of the transport interference [and - the other aspect to which I have already expressed objection - the copyright absurdities re use of the Rings & the name Olympic, &c] became public.

But I take your overall point; & will accept that The Games are, as it has now become clear, having a more deleterious effect on a number of everyday goings-on than they ought.

I still hope that their overall effect will prove to have been more beneficial than otherwise.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 04:41 AM

We went to Brighton and Eastbourne at the weekend. It was nice to see the draconian rules about not featuring the rings being broken albeit in a small way. In Eastbourne the promenade gardens had the Olympic rings clearly picked out in a flower garden display. And in Brighton there was an amazing cake display clearly depicting the Olympic rings.

BUT - just as in London we found no buzz or razzmatazz or excitement about the Olympics. There were no Oly flags, bunting, or displays. Even 'statues' of the two 'turds' (Oly characters Wenlock and Whatever) were absent. Everyone was more interested in the sun, sea, shop and beaches - mainly all being there on holiday.

As I have already opined - its as though the Olympics are being held in another country altogether - even if this is up a 'no-go' area of the East End of London.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 04:47 AM

100


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Will Fly
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 06:00 AM

Richard's just got the 100th post - but what was your time? Not a Mudcat record, I think...


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Stu
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 07:47 AM

"It has been some years since I last visited the UK, but I remember how hard it was to find a good newspaper. I had to go to one of the better hotels or a large news and book agent to find a Times or Guardian."

Your choice would be even less now. The Times is another Murdoch toss-rag.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: severed-head
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 08:32 AM

A spoof video featuring Boris Johnson
Boris welcomes the Olympics


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 09:04 AM

I have one of those alarm clock radios. I found that I woke up this morning to the sound of some twat droning on about cricket. Meaningless noises (or at best cliches) spilling out of his mouth about something completely and utterly irrelevant. And now we'll get weeks of other twats producing endless and pointless mouth noises about running and jumping and other silly activities.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 09:36 AM

Well, if you can't tune your own radio to the channel you want, Shimrod, what are Locog supposed to do about it, eh?

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 12:59 PM

"but I remember how hard it was to find a good newspaper"

That isn't the norm all over the country! Virtually all the newsagents in our area stock a wide range of papers. As do the supermarkets and some petrol stations. The exception would be the likes of Lidls which only seems to stock tabloids. Not saying you didn't experience what you said you did just that you can't suppose it is like that everywhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 01:15 PM

DMcG ~ Thanks for the implied, if somewhat backhanded, compliment.
The one prize I won at school was "most improved". I've grown up with back-handed compliments! :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 02:01 PM

The crowd at the opening ceremonies rehearsal liked what they saw. The rest of the world will see it Friday. Danny Boyle seems to have a winner.

With the large number of visitors, inner London traffic will be snarled and stalled at times. The Transport Minister, Justine Greening, is hopeful that transport will not be disrupted.
He said, "There will, of course, be disruption. It is almost impossible to have the greatest show on Earth arrive in London and not to have some queues and some disruption, but the plans we have in place should hopefully minimise that down to the lowest possible level, and if Londoners can work with us hopefullywe will be able to enjoy a fantastic Games."
Paul Deighton (2012 chief execurive) said the problems with security guards would not affect the amount of time it took spectators to enter or leave the stadium.
The Guardian, 24 July, 2012; Owen Gibson.

Big Ben (and many other clocks and steeples in communities across the UK) will ring for 3 minutes between 8:12 and 8:15 am on 27 July to mark the start of the Olympics.

Usain Bolt says now is his time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 02:11 PM

But, MthGM EVERY channel has people droning on about sport - even my beloved Radio 4.

Drone, drone, drone, drone, drone ... Oh, and Boring has got his leg-over at silly mid-off!! Drone, drone, drone ... state of the pitch ... googly leg spinner ... bat ... ball ... caps for England ... drone, drone, drone, drone etc., etc., etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 02:28 PM

I switched on the TV - all about the Olympics. Then the bulletin stopped "That was the Sportews. Now for your own local news" And on came still more about the Olympics...


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 02:31 PM

Well all I can say is this. If you WOKE UP to cricket on Radio4, then you're a late riser.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Penny S.
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 02:41 PM

There are places where it is all but impossible to get a Guardian, unless you get to the shop very early, and get the one intended for the one lefty in the village. Telegraphs usually available.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 03:00 PM

In Edinburgh, The Scotsman was a good paper.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 04:03 PM

Of course there are places where you won't find a Telegraph.

It's a mistake to generalise from our own limited experience. There's always a Morning Star in the newsagent I use, but I wouldn't take that as any indication it's available everywhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 05:51 PM

"If you WOKE UP to cricket on Radio4, then you're a late riser."

Alarm radio comes on at 7:00 am - Radio 4, Today programme. This, otherwise excellent, daily news programme has an inevitable Sports section (there's no escape!). This is usually my cue to get up and make a cup of tea. As I'm retired now I take the tea back to bed and listen to Today (Sports section safely over) until 8:00 am - when I think about getting up.

This morning I overslept, for some reason, and woke up during the Sports section. "Nooooo!!!" I thought."I'm having a nightmare!!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 12:58 AM

In which case, Shim, if you simply caught the wrong section of Today, it was hardly the example of absolutely unavoidable wall-to-wall coverage you are trying to make out, was it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 04:14 AM

Listen to Radio4, on long wave (we have to up here), then you can hear the lovely Geoffrey Boycott on TMS from about 11AM all the way through to 7PM. ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 05:20 AM

The one problem with Boycott is the way he will try an finish an anecdote by talking over the commentary


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 05:20 AM

"then you can hear the lovely Geoffrey Boycott"

'Lovely' is not a descriptor I would use with regard to Mr. Boycott.
'Opinionated', 'Big-mouthed', 'Squaw-Bashing' and 'Twat', however, fit perfectly.

IMHO, of course, and he probably doesn't like me very much either. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 05:44 AM

I should have put the word lovely, in quotes. As the only person who thinks he is lovely, is Geoffrey himself.
It was a tongue in cheek post ¦^]


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 07:24 AM

Actually it is the Elizabeth Tower not Big Ben - renamed in hour of QE2's Golden Jubilee. But no matter - all church bells in the land and including such as door bells and bicycle bells (remember those?) are to be rung at the same time. Its for a new world record you know.

But the Big Shen is going to be adversely affected by:

Thomas Cook and other authorised ticket issuers apparently losing thousands of online ticket applications mainly from overseas, visitors are now queuing for up to four hours only to be told that there is no record of their booking(s). In Little Britain parlance "computer says no" at its best.

Then there are strikes - perhaps what the country excels at.

Not content with letting in thousands of illegals - some of whom have found jobs at Olympic venues - the Border Agency staff are striking on Friday - the day of the start of the Games. Their places will be taken by managers and back-end office staff. Queues for Immigration at Heathrow is rumoured to be even worse than at New York's JFK - that is four hours minimum.

Then South West Trains drivers are working to rule for the ENTIRE Olympics. They have a 500 pound per day bonus - yet still they're striking. SWT has issued public warnings NOT to try and travel by train to Wareham for the sailing events. BTW even after seven years warning the stations on the line to Wareham cannot cope with long trains - three cars maximum. So what trains there will be will be PACKED. SWT advised driving there - but the car parks will not be able to cope. Collapsable chairs are to be banned from the viewing site(s). And only authorised - aka sponsors' branded - food and drink will be available - at grossly inflated prices.

Then there is the fiasco of the heat. Yesterday mainline traincos instructed drivers NOT to call at Stratford - the main Olympic venue - due to the 50-year-old overhead traction wires sagging in the heat. Again they've had 7 years to sort this out - yet have FAILED.

And the Tube continues to break down - the Central Line and Jubilee Line both having outages this last week due to faulty equipment. Yes - they too have had 7 years to sort this out.

The Army, Navy and Airforce have now drafted in 18,000 troops to take the place of G4S's fiasco. That's three times what G4S (ex-Group 4 Security) are reportedly employing, if the latter all turn up anyway. G4S got kicked out of St James Stadium in Newcastle due to the quality of security guards not being up to the standard required.

The Army recruits are fresh out of Afghanistan and were looking forwards to time off with their families. Instead they're having to pat people down, search bags for 'illegal' food and drink - to protect the branding of sponsors, and check tickets. They're not best pleased - and are roughing it out in a disused warehouse on the Thames. The last straw came when LOCOG demanded that the forces wear tracksuits. The Army refused because in a security situation they said that it was important that soldiers can recognise each other. And that wearing the uniform was part of the pride that the soldiers had in their job.

Finally Westfield is a HUGE shopping mall near Stratford. It started to display 'Welcome' posters in different languages. One was in Arabic. The printers got the font wrong and the massage was 'gibberish.' One wonders why they didn't proof read it first - using a native speaker.

And the Shen. goes on and on....


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 07:29 AM

"It was a tongue in cheek post ¦^]"

I was hoping that it was, John - I was pretty sure you're a better man! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 07:47 AM

I have been conducting a very unscientific poll of the people I socialise with and have only managed to find 2 who are remotely interested in the Olympics. One of these is sports mad and will watch tiddlywinks if it's a national match, the other is one of the volunteers who will be at Old Trafford (Manchester) doing random blood tests. For this he has no previous experience and is not even paid ! I have spoken to over 100 people so this random unscientific poll suggests that less than 2% of the population could give a monkeys about the "games"


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 08:18 AM

Well, how will you account for 10,000,000 plus tvs that will be tuned into Usain Bolt?
How do you account for the 10,000,000 plus tvs that will be tuned in to Bradley Wiggins?


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 09:21 AM

How do you account for the 10,000 plus TV's that are tuned to East Enders, or Coronation Street, every bloody week?


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 09:58 AM

Brain-dead.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 11:28 AM

Great news for the tiny town of Wareham in Dorset, that lat week was informed it would have to deal with 800 thousand visitors a day and put them on buses into Weymouth.

It transpires that at a push, we can get five carriage trains all the way down to Weymouth and by the simple expedient of putting a load of extra seats in each carriage - we can cope!

A disaster averted!


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 11:55 AM

John MacKenzie asks;

"How do you account for the 10,000 plus TV's that are tuned to East Enders, or Coronation Street, every bloody week?"

I ask: "What's that got to do with the price of fish?"

And a part from that, I'm sure what ever you're trying to get at doesn't make sense!


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 12:24 PM

A different school of fish from succotash, I will be with the those watching their favorite events.
Congratulations to Wiggins, I hope he wins for England.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 12:30 PM

Different programmes,same mindless Pavlovian response Tunesmith.
None of them bear any relation to the everyday life of the viewers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 01:48 PM

"Congratulations to Wiggins, I hope he wins for England."

He won't. England don't have a team in the Olympics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 02:43 PM

Great Britain or whatever.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 04:12 PM

Team GB I guess - as is well-known the word 'team' is now an adjective. But I still think that 'the GB Team' is more grammatically correct. No wonder the kids of today cannot express themselves properly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 04:20 PM

The Great Britain Team is more correct, do we really have to endure these abbreviations?


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 04:30 PM

What about competitors from Northern Ireland? Shouldn't it be Team UK?

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 05:33 PM

Now CO$ is infiltrating the Shen.:

Scientologists Plan On Distributing Church Pamphlets At London Olympics

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/07/scientology-l-ron-hubbard-way-happiness-olympics-london

"Staff and public volunteers are being mobilized right now and will be in prominent locations around the Olympic events passing out The Way to Happiness to everyone," the letter states. The minimum donation is $100 for 60 booklets.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 06:43 PM

""What about competitors from Northern Ireland? Shouldn't it be Team UK?""

Great Britain includes both Northern Ireland and Eire.

The United Kingdom is England Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 07:09 PM

Great Britain includes both Northern Ireland and Eire.
No, Great Britain is the combined kingdoms of England and Scotland.

Just to confuse matters the letters GB can also refer to the whole United Kingdom ISO3166


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 07:23 PM

"Great Britain includes both Northern Ireland and Eire."

No it doesn't but at the Olympics people from Northern Ireland qualify for 'either' GB or the Republic of Ireland. It is up to them. I suppose by competing as the UK we would be automatically including Northern Ireland. To make things more complicated at the Commonwealth Games we compete not as the UK or GB but as seperate Scottish, English, Welsh and Northern Irish teams - as we do in international football. At international rugby Scotland, England and Wales compete as seperate countries but neither Northern Ireland or the Republic do as they compete as a united Ireland at that sport. It is complicated right enough!


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 08:19 PM

Yes! wrong way round.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 26 Jul 12 - 04:13 AM

It states quite clearly on the front of my passport: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

England is part of Great Britain. Great Britain is part of the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom is part of the British Isles

Just to add more confusion, Mark Cavendish, who is hoping for gold in the cycling, is from the Isle of Man. The Isle of Man is a self-governing British Crown Dependency but is not part of the UK. The same applies to the Channel Islands.

I'm still going to cheer for Cav when the time comes.


DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Stu
Date: 26 Jul 12 - 05:12 AM

Great Britain is a geographical term, not a political one. It refers to the island on which we live, containing Wales, England and Scotland.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jul 12 - 05:35 AM

But I suspect that the 'GB' plate which our cars have to carry abroad will also include NI ~~ or is that not the case?

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 26 Jul 12 - 06:14 AM

Flags

First the South Korean flag was shown for the NORTH Korean Women's football team.

Now the Taiwanese flag is taken down from Oxford Street.

http://www.standard.co.uk/olympics/olympic-news/london-2012-olympics-new--diplomatic-storm-after-the-taiwan-national-flag-taken-down-from-regent-street-7978396.html

Is the UK a democratic country with freedom of expression etc. or not?

Apparently not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 26 Jul 12 - 07:54 AM

Well, of course, the modern Olympics were degraded from day one.
The nationalistic flag waving core of the games would have shocked the ancient Greeks.
Indeed, this tribal "us against them" attitude is akin to a form of racism.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Wood Z
Date: 26 Jul 12 - 07:54 AM

Great Britain is the largest island of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Politically, Great Britain refers to England, Scotland and Wales in combination, but not Northern Ireland; it includes a number of islands off England, Scotland and Wales such as the Isle of Wight, Anglesey, the Isles of Scilly, the Hebrides, and the island groups of Orkney and Shetland. It does not include the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands which are not part of the United Kingdom, instead being self-governing dependent territories with their own legislative and taxation systems.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Jul 12 - 12:56 PM

Whereever they are from, goodluck to Cavendish, Wiggins, and other cyclists on their team.
My son-in-law, from England, once competed in events on the continent, and he has communicated some of his interest to me. I don't think any Canadian cyclists are in the same league.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: gnu
Date: 26 Jul 12 - 02:55 PM

I just saw a pic of the mascots Wenlock and Mandeville. Great name choices. That's about all I have to say right now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 26 Jul 12 - 03:33 PM

"But I suspect that the 'GB' plate which our cars have to carry abroad"

I know by the strict letter of the law you're supposed to have a GB sticker but I've never used one. We always had "ecosse" on our cars when travelling on the continent. You see others with Alba or just Scotland! Never been an issue up to now anyway!


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Jul 12 - 03:38 PM

I believe that Scotland is now legally accepted on the continent, instead of GB


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 26 Jul 12 - 04:45 PM

From:gnu - PM
Date: 26 Jul 12 - 02:55 PM

I just saw a pic of the mascots Wenlock and Mandeville. Great name choices. That's about all I have to say right now.


Yes, my first thought was "What weird names" but then I realised the derivations.
Much Wenlock was, arguably the forerunner of the modern Olympics.
The modern Paralympics arose from the Stoke Mandeville wheelchair games of 1948.

Cheers

Nigel


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Jul 12 - 05:25 PM

Thanks for the links. I agree, good choices.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Jul 12 - 06:43 PM

Best take on "Team GB" was perhaps in the Olympic Games special of Absolutely Fabukous when Edina's mother assumed that "Team GB" must refer to the Gay and Bisexual Olympics which she assumed must be taking place alongside the main event.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: gnu
Date: 26 Jul 12 - 08:45 PM

Okay... I'll say it. What kinda drugs would one hafta take to dream up those mascots? Further, how widespread are these drugs? Seriously... NObody???!!! asked, "What the fuck are those things supposed to be?" At least, that would be my question which would be followed swiftly by, "What else ya got?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Jul 12 - 09:53 PM

I like the names for the mascots, but I agree that the figures look like extraterrestrial alien rejects.

The home page of my cable supplier (Shaw, Canada) provided pictures of the "10 worst" mascots, with these included in the list.
To me, the worst of all was the mascot for the 1996 games in Atlanta, but there seems to be a tendency towards the ridiculous when originality is striven for.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: gnu
Date: 26 Jul 12 - 10:24 PM

Yes, Q. Exactly what I said in my first post... GREAT names! But... I was reluctant to say exactly what was on my mind at that time re the mascots. Figured I should calm down my initial thoughts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 03:54 AM

BS = bullsh$t.

Latest reports from the Big Shen:

I've never known an event be over shadowed by such ridiculous brand fascism. A friend of mine who works within the Olympic cordon in a completely unrelated business was stopped by the army in their lunch break and made to throw away a Sainsbury's sandwich as it wasn't "approved Olympic material". What next?

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'Our bags have a Nike logo but the zippers are Adidas': Sports brand is furious after Egyptian Olympic hopeful reveals kit is Chinese knockoff

After one of Egypt's Olympic swimmers admitted that the team was given knockoff Nike gear from China to compete in, the sports brand has issued a severe warning.

Yomna Khallaf, competing for Egypt in synchronized swimming, tweeted that her Olympic bag had a giant Nike logo... and that the zippers were marked Adidas.

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Fury as Welsh and Scots snub National Anthem: Captain Giggs stayed silent for God Save The Queen

Footballer Kim Little and another Scottish player, Ifeoma Dieke, had stood silently before Great Britain women's opening match on Wednesday.

Welsh footballers Ryan Giggs and Craig Bellamy were both criticised for failing to sing at the first British men's football match of the Olympics

Kim Little: Said she made a 'personal choice' not to sing it before her team's matches at the Olympics because she is Scottish.

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Finally Cornish supporters have been warned that the Cornish flag will be banned from all Oly venues.

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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 04:23 AM

The Olympic Gold for moaning, denigration, and shit stirring, goes to.............................................................................................................................................................

CJB


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 06:02 AM

Forgetting the usual whinging about such things, the Olympics promise to be a wonderful event. Well done Boris. With the exception of the usual suspects, we are a truly "United Kingdom" for the second time this year!


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 07:28 AM

Regarding the national anthem:
"God Save the Queen" assumes that the singer believes that there is a God.
I would refuse to sing the song on those grounds alone!
And, even if there was a God, I certainly wouldn't want him to save the bloody queen!


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 08:10 AM

It didn't take long for the Daily Mail to get on to its usual Scot bashing which normally rears its head at World Cups etc! Seemingly there is 'fury' that Kim Little didn't sing the anthem. Why should there be fury? She is there to play football not to sing! There are various reasons why someone may not like, or may not wish to sing, the said anthem. The paper seems to suggest that you can't be proud of your country if you don't sing the anthem. That is nonsense! And why does it pick on her? She warrants a front page plus basically the entire fourth page. It is only mentioned in passing that Ifeoma Dieke also didn't sing. Difference being proabbly she is black and American born! Can't have a go at her; maybe wouldn't look good; but white girl born and raised in Scotland is fair game! Likewise Ryan Giggs and Craig Bellamy are named as non-singers too but no big inquest - no hounding of their relatives!

What makese it worse is that this 'thou wilt comply' attitude is on the same page where they briefly mention that Cornish flags seen at the stadium will be confiscated. No comment from the paper. Apparently they must approve! I didn't know until looking into this today that a Cornish flag carried by one of the torch bearers in Cornwall was confiscated by the police - presumably at the request of the organisers! Why are they so aghast at the idea that part of England may have their own regional identity?

Getting more like North Korea every day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 08:14 AM

another thing about the anthem. why on earth are they playing two verses? Virtually nobody knows the second verse. As far as I could see no-one sang the second verse!


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 08:35 AM

They're playing the first and third verses. The second one is a bit contentious in these circumstances.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: MikeL2
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 09:36 AM

Hi

I don't care who sings or doesn't sing the National Anthem as long as they play it many times with our contestants on the podium with a medal, preferably GOLD.

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 10:52 AM

It goes on and on...

* Olympics gaffe as hundreds of confused spectators are turned away from archery event billed as 'unticketed'... as organisers insist that actually means 'closed to public'
* Hundreds turned away after unofficial site advertises tickets for event
* Locog insists it had never advertised tickets for event
* Princess Anne among those who DID get in to Lord's for competition
* Archery fans miss two world records being set
* Over 50 fans had queued from 8am hoping to gain free entry on 'first come first served' basis

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* South Korea's Olympic sailing coach is sent home as he is caught drink driving after Games welcoming party
* Jae-Cheol Lee was more than twice the drink drive limit
* Coach had drunk wine at Olympics drink reception in Weymouth, Dorset
* Ordered to pay fine and costs totaling £340 and was banned from driving in the UK for 18 months

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For thebtechnical rehearsal on the Opening Ceremony it was reported that G4S 'security' guards let in 100s of people without tickets, and without making any bag checks.

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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Jul 12 - 11:47 AM

In spite of the boobirds and the garbage tabloids, the Games promise to be a great success.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jul 12 - 05:34 AM

27 million UK viewers for the Opening Ceremony last night.
Looks like the Mudcat Usual-Suspect Miserable Old Bastards Club are very much out of step.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Jul 12 - 05:41 AM

27 million UK viewers for the Opening Ceremony last night.
Looks like the Mudcat Usual-Suspect Miserable Old Bastards Club are very much out of step.

Depends how you look at things. It was also the case that there were probably around 50% more people than usual at our singround that clashed. Ok, that's wasn't measured in millions (*smile*) but it does suggest that people who weren't interested were more likely to go out and do other things and would have perhaps been happier with more of the standard Friday-niught TV fare.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 28 Jul 12 - 05:43 AM

Re #OlympicCeremony on #BBC2012, as I (Date: 18 Jul 12 - 06:18 AM) feared - Beijing: 90% Chinese culture/London: 90% everybody else's culture.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 28 Jul 12 - 05:46 AM

Re #OlympicCeremony on #BBC2012, Beijing: 90% Chinese culture/London: 90% everybody else's culture - as I feared http://walkaboutsverse.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/walkaboutsverse-143-of-230.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 28 Jul 12 - 05:50 AM

Olympic cleaners are being accommodated in housing that would not meet housing laws.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/202/764/899/olympic-cleaners-deserve-better-living-conditions/

Target: Newham Council and Locog
Sponsored by: Carin Cowell

Their portable-cabin village has been likened to a prison or slum by its new residents. They sleep 10 to a room, share the toilet with 25 others and the shower with 75. Some females have left, refusing to sleep in mixed sex cabins with men they didn't know. Those that have stayed have to pay £18 a day, despite not working for the first two weeks.

Heavy rain has left the site flooded and many cabins are leaking. Crates have been put down as stepping stones.

Many of the workers have come from abroad to the East London camp, despite promises that the jobs would go to Brits.

As the accommodation is temporary, planning was granted and welfare conditions ignored by the council.

This is blatant exploitation in times of crisis; organizers are taking advantage of the unemployed. Join our call for decent accommodation for Olympic cleaners.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Jul 12 - 06:04 AM

Miserable sod!

DT


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Jul 12 - 02:08 PM

CET, I much prefer the old Daily News for hand-wringing journalism.
See "Horrible London," George R. Sims, 1889.
http://www.victorianlondon.org/publications2/horriblelondon.htm

So far, the Games are trouble-free, and I am sure that they will remain so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 29 Jul 12 - 05:27 AM

"It was also the case that there were probably around 50% more people than usual at our singround that clashed"

Our open mic was the exact opposite. There were seemingly two visitors from Teeside who arrived unannounced but they were the only people who actually turned up excepting the woman who runs the bar!


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,giovanni
Date: 29 Jul 12 - 06:50 AM

"two visitors from Teeside"

or even Teesside

g


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: DMcG
Date: 29 Jul 12 - 07:27 AM

"It was also the case that there were probably around 50% more people than usual at our singround that clashed"

Our open mic was the exact opposite.

To be honest, your experience, rather than mine, was the one I had expected. It would be interesting, albeit almost impossible to achieve, to find out what happened more generally. Not only open mic sessions, of course, but cinema attendances, theatres, museum visits - my daughter works at the Natural History Museum and they have greatly extended the opening hours - and so on and so forth. As well as museums my daughter works in theatres a lot, and it seems the impact of the Olympics is The Great Unpredictable - no-one seems to confident whether attendances will be up because of more visitors doing things when whatever they specifically turned up for is not happening that day; or down because the usual audience for the theatre is staying at home or going to the venue.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Jul 12 - 08:03 AM

Iam more interested in the galway races


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 29 Jul 12 - 11:25 AM

I am disgusted that many seat reserved for 'corporate' were empty while people who wanted to see the events couldn't get seats.

In my opinion the 'corporates' often only turn up when it is in their paid work time, not just in the olympics but many other sporting events.

Again another example of the total contempt by locog of those who are paying for the games through taxes, and having to bend over backwards so that the 'olympic family' are not slightly inconvenienced.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jul 12 - 11:29 AM

Appalling treatment for what was a peaceful protest:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19036212

http://criticalmasslondon.org.uk/main.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 29 Jul 12 - 11:48 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 29 Jul 12 - 11:25 AM

I am disgusted that many seat reserved for 'corporate' were empty while people who wanted to see the events couldn't get seats.

In my opinion the 'corporates' often only turn up when it is in their paid work time, not just in the olympics but many other sporting events.

Again another example of the total contempt by locog of those who are paying for the games through taxes, and having to bend over backwards so that the 'olympic family' are not slightly inconvenienced.

The reason why so many people were and still are pi$$ed off with the Big Shen. is that despite the numerous announcements from day 1 that the Games were 'for the people, by the people' most were priced out of even applying for tickets, despite having cash taken out of accounts in advance a majority never actually got any tickets, and now we learn that the corporate freeloaders can't even be ar$ed to take up their seats leaving whole blocks of seats empty. Even athletes families couldn't get tickets - they were all reserved for Coe and his corporate cronies.

Since it is almost impossible to attend any of the events the vast majority of the public incl. tourists and locals alike consider themselves well disenfranchised from the whole Shen.

Right now London and the Olympics is a city of two cities - those that have tickets and those that do not. The majority do not. And watching the events on the box makes it all seem to be taking place in a far distant country, which the Games may just as well be.

Throughout the East End graffiti is now appearing stating "We hate the Olympics," etc. - the reason is that for Newnam and Hackney the Olympics are doing nothing for the most deprived and rundown areas in
the country.

http://www.nbcolympics.com/news-blogs/2012/londons-east-end-divided-on-eve-of-games.html

"The stadium is right next door. But it doesn't aid the local community," said Kunal Modi, a 25-year-old musician living in bohemian squalor in [a] huge Victorian building.

"They are all talking about how it's going to have a knock-on effect on the local community but people haven't been allowed to capitalize on it. So that's outrageous."

Millions of foreign visitors descending on London this month may not notice, but within sight of the gleaming Olympic venues are some of the city's most troubled neighborhoods where the unattainable glamor of the Games has only fueled resentment.

That's why we are anti.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 29 Jul 12 - 11:53 AM

The above should read:

Again another example of the total contempt by locog of those who are paying for the games through taxes, and having to bend over backwards so that the 'olympic family' are not slightly inconvenienced.

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The reason why so many people were and still are pi$$ed off with the Big Shen. is that ... etc. Sorry about that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Jul 12 - 01:02 PM

The treatment of the cyclists is appaling


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 29 Jul 12 - 07:55 PM

""I am more interested in the galway races""

A bit of a no-brainer, considering where you live Dick. And although Galway isn't a capital, I do think it deserves one, don't you?

Don T (with tongue firmly in cheek)


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 29 Jul 12 - 11:16 PM

Galway Races, Dick? ~~ The Catholic, The Protestant, The Jew and Presbyterian... Still no Saudi or Brunei women; so London one up there, eh?

... Tho what has happened re the controversy about how the Judo authorities won't let their judoka compete in her head-thing for H&S rules, but the Saudi Olympic people won't let her do so without? They have been threatening to withdraw their whole team over it. Will probably find out about that when morning paper comes.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Howard Jones
Date: 30 Jul 12 - 06:44 AM

The BBC is reporting that the empty seats are in the blocks allocated to the "Olympic family". At this stage of the games both athletes and officials are probably focussed on their own events and don't have time to spare. As the games go on we will probably see more of them going to support other athletes. In the meantime LOCOG seems to have made arrangements to let others in to use these seats.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Jul 12 - 02:32 PM

At many large sporting events such as football's bowl games in the U.S., blocks of tickets are sold, bringing in the revenue, but may not be used. I remember looking for empty seats in better sections and moving to them.

The complainers here wouldn't have bought the seats in any case, so I can't see purpose in their complaints, only what I believe is called whinging in British dialect.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 30 Jul 12 - 06:41 PM

According to the Telegraph today some of the empty seats are for the Olympic Family but the far bigger reason 'they say' is seats that were allocated to agencies who have been selling the tickets abroad. Who knows! It certainly sucks though that people like Chris Hoy couldn't even get tickets for all his immediate family whilst so many aren't being used.

In other areas there have been problems selling them. Especially with the football. The first game in Glasgow had an approximate attendance of 10,000 to 15,000 when they had supposedly sold about 10,000 and given about another 30,000 away! They might have tried paying people to go :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Jul 12 - 09:33 PM

Earlier (19 July) I posted some of the prices agencies are charging for plum events.
Another practice (I don't know if it was followed here) is to require agencies to take a certain number of 'bad' tickets in order to get the good stuff. The poor ones are filed in that old circular receptacle.

I agree with some of the complainants, however. It seems to me that the Olympics should have a higher moral, less commercial, standard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Alan Conn
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 08:42 AM

Sad news about Paralympian games today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19355630


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Allan Conn
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 12:14 PM

Guest Alan Conn isnae me


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 12:54 PM

Overall, well done!


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 01:36 PM

Indeed. Thank you, Q. Odd that this thread retains its original title. There were, to be sure, dodgy moments in the run-up, like the idiocy about approval of branded goods, and worries about the traffic. But they were all sorted; and a pretty successful occasion ensued, from the opening ceremony with the active participation of pyjamaed hospitalised chilren right up to that of HMQ Her Own Very Self, to all the enjoyable events, to the highly-to-be-regarded [from our pov] medals table.

So WHAT 'shame' would that be then?

Away with all you detractors, self-righteous 'going-abroad-till-it's-safely-over'-niks [the identity of some of whom surprised me considerably.

The Games turned out to be a Good Thing.

So Sucks-Boo!

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Musket
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 01:41 PM

I just started scanning the first few posts to see where this was going.

It appears The Daily M*il spewed some crap, Bridge said the article was plausible and the debate went from there.

I'll give it a miss if that's OK. Had friends round for dinner the other night and one had been a volunteer. Seemed she enjoyed every minute and is angry about the doom mongers.

On balance, I'd rather be happy than moaning.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 01:52 PM

Yup, me too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Aug 12 - 06:11 AM

The Games was an exemplar to the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 06:54 AM

I thought the opening of the Paralympics was brilliant.
Not shameful at all.
Anyone disagree?


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Eddie1 (Still sans cookie)
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 07:09 AM

Couldn't agree more. Tears, laughter but most of all, an awareness of the sheer guts and determination so many of the participants displayed. I even laughed at the comment about the, I think, Jordanian coach having apparently said, "It's not the taking part that's important, it's the winning!"

Good luck to all of them.

Eddie


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 04:22 PM

The title of this thread is ridiculous in light of the fact that they seem to have had the fewest problems of any Olympics in memory.

In another thread I posted "well Done" and I'll repeat it here. Reports from the Paralympics indicate success here as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 08:21 AM

Latest on the news this morning - the cashpoint machines at the main paralympic venue are only suitable for those without sight problems.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 08:22 AM

200 - first time I've ever got in on the number!


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: GUEST,Bessie Wilson
Date: 05 Sep 12 - 01:24 PM

There is a general lack of interest in these paralympics. The fact the BBC didn't want to screen them spoke volumes. A modern day Victorian Freak Show.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Sep 12 - 03:04 PM

If the Paralympics increase the pride of the participants, they are worth it.

I wouldn't watch, but I wouldn't call it a freak show. These people have learned to cope with disabilities and most support themselves.

I employed a man confined to a wheel chair, and he was as good a worker as those without disability. He had a good education in a technological specialty and made a good living. He could also make the chair do tricks and he was hell on a dance floor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 05 Sep 12 - 05:29 PM

""There is a general lack of interest in these paralympics.""

Ah!.....That must be the reason that every venue is sold out right through the Games.

Some people!.......

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Howard Jones
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 03:49 AM

The BBC were outbid for the Paralympics by Channel 4, and they probably now regret not offering more. But Channel 4 is doing a good job, I'm only disappointed by the lack of alternative viewing choices compared with what the BBC offered for the Olympics.

I'm ashamed to admit to not paying much attention to previous Paralympics, seeing them as 'worthy' but not serious - watching these has proved to me how wrong and patronising I was. To pick just one example, David Weir's success in the 5000m was every bit as exciting and well-deserved as Mo Farrah's, and there have been many more examples.

The athletes don't want our sympathy for overcoming adversity, instead they rightly demand our respect for their sporting achievements, and they fully deserve it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 05:58 AM

AMEN to that Howard!

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Olympics - London's Shame
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 06 Sep 12 - 06:00 AM

And I DO hope the originator of this thread isn't having TOO much trouble wiping all that egg off his face.

Don T.


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