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WARNING Scarborough Seafest

stallion 16 Jul 12 - 11:40 AM
stallion 16 Jul 12 - 11:42 AM
GUEST,Paul 16 Jul 12 - 12:09 PM
nutty 16 Jul 12 - 04:24 PM
Jack Campin 16 Jul 12 - 05:07 PM
GUEST 16 Jul 12 - 05:13 PM
MoorleyMan 16 Jul 12 - 07:08 PM
stallion 16 Jul 12 - 07:49 PM
Jack Campin 16 Jul 12 - 08:14 PM
stallion 16 Jul 12 - 08:17 PM
GUEST,Guest 16 Jul 12 - 09:13 PM
GUEST,Banjiman 17 Jul 12 - 03:45 AM
nutty 17 Jul 12 - 04:43 AM
GUEST,Helen 17 Jul 12 - 04:57 AM
MoorleyMan 17 Jul 12 - 05:11 AM
doc.tom 17 Jul 12 - 05:29 AM
Leadfingers 17 Jul 12 - 05:53 AM
nutty 17 Jul 12 - 07:32 AM
GUEST 17 Jul 12 - 07:39 AM
GUEST,Banjiman 17 Jul 12 - 07:41 AM
Ann N 17 Jul 12 - 07:51 AM
mandomad 17 Jul 12 - 08:13 AM
Tim Leaning 17 Jul 12 - 10:02 AM
theleveller 17 Jul 12 - 10:46 AM
GUEST,Helen 17 Jul 12 - 12:15 PM
nutty 17 Jul 12 - 02:27 PM
Paul Davenport 17 Jul 12 - 05:59 PM
The Sandman 17 Jul 12 - 09:14 PM
stallion 18 Jul 12 - 02:47 AM
r.padgett 18 Jul 12 - 03:31 AM
stallion 18 Jul 12 - 07:07 AM
Steve Gardham 18 Jul 12 - 07:15 AM
stallion 18 Jul 12 - 10:16 AM
stallion 18 Jul 12 - 10:24 AM
Jack Campin 18 Jul 12 - 04:27 PM
Charley Noble 19 Jul 12 - 12:52 PM
GUEST,John & Jean 20 Jul 12 - 03:36 AM
GUEST 20 Jul 12 - 03:40 AM
GUEST,SBC 20 Jul 12 - 04:24 AM
stallion 20 Jul 12 - 05:41 AM
Jack Campin 20 Jul 12 - 06:07 AM
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Subject: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: stallion
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 11:40 AM

By way of warning, anyone attending the so called Scarborough Seafest to hear Nautical music will be sadly disappointed since they have gone over to heavy metal and anything but sea music, go to whitby, same weekend, where their will be genuine Sea music shanties and folk.


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: stallion
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 11:42 AM

Ok the Music for the Scarborough Seafest, taken from the performers myspace sites are as follows

Raven - Heavy metal thrash band
Ishka - Scarborough based pub/club band
Demimondaines - Garage Punk band
Seafret - Acoustic easy listening duo (Bridlington)
John Watton - Blues/Electro Acoustic/Folk (Scarborough)

Really doesn't float my boat and not what I would regard as a sea music festival!


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: GUEST,Paul
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 12:09 PM

You might look here: seafest.org.uk


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: nutty
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 04:24 PM

Scarborough council ( which also controls Whitby) obviously has some interest in continuing with the Festival and its a shame that the "free" aspect of the Festival has been lost in the move to Whitby, or that local pubs who are very folk friendly are not being involved.

I'm not sure how successful the one venue - concert format will be. Or how many people will be prepared to fork out £25 plus accommodation and other costs to stay in one place no matter how good the guests may be.


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: Jack Campin
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 05:07 PM

This is the website for the Scarborough Seafest, the one that's still in Scarborough.

Starting in three days time and most of the tabs on that site are still blank. Wherever stallion and nutty got their facts, it wasn't from Yorkshire Council.


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 05:13 PM

Nutty - here's the programme of events for Whitby Seafest...... as far as I can see the events in the vault are all opportunities for participation. Even if they include a few "guests".

If no grants are available from the council, it's highly likely there will be a charge as there are costs to putting an event on....... I'm just pleased that the event has not been lost completely it'll be interesting to see if it can grow in Whitby as it did Scarborough over the years.


The Vault 7.00 â€" 11pm Sea Songs and Shanties Open Session
Get the festival off to a crackin’ start
Steve Dawes & Helen Pitt
with guests Jim Radford, Malcolm Ward,
Alan Whitbread and mainly you.

Main Deck Amanda Hadlett introduces
8.30 pm Monkeys Fist
9.00 pm Devils Water
9.30 pm Glenn Coggin
10.00 pm Bill Adair
10.30 pm Malcolm Ward & Co

The Bridge
7.30pm Concert
Chris Milner introduces
7.30 pm Martin Curtis
8.10 pm Wendy Arrowsmith,
8.50 pm Tom & Barbara Brown
9.30 pm Monkeys Fist
10.00 pm Martin Carthy
Saturday
Day time

The Vault 2.00pm Tom & Barbara Brown
Open Session plus guests Direction Corsaires,
Devils Water, Malcolm Ward & Martin Curtis

Main Deck Amanda Hadlett introduces
12.25pm Glenn Coggin
12.50pm Ramshackle Shantytmen
1.15pm Devils Water
1.40pm Alan Whitbread &Co
2.05pm Steve Dawes & Helen Pitt
2.45pm Wendy Arrowsmith
3.05pm Karnos Circus
3.45pm Scarborough Poets
4.15pm Malcolm Ward & Co
4.45pm Stormcrow
5.15pm Chris Milner
5.45pm Monkeys Fist

The Bridge
12.00pm KFA Song Competition

2.00pm Afternoon Concert
m.c Robert Hartley
2.00pm Fools Gold
2.30pm Glenn Coggin
3.00pm Ramshackle Shantymen
3.20pm Steve Dawes & Helen Pitt
3.50pm Jim Radford.
4.10pm Men Of Staithes.
4.35pm Tom & Barbara Brown

Whitby Museum

12.00pm Aroha 2 Aloha Maori Dance

1.30pm Jim Radford Tugs Of War
Evening

Resolution Hotel

The Bridge
7.00pm Evening Concert
m.c Robert Hartley

7.00pm Karnos Circus
7.25pm Bill Adair,
7.50pm Scarborough Poets
8.10pm Martin Curtis
8.40pm Monkeys Fist
9.10pm Song Competition Winner
9.20pm Wendy Arrowsmith
9.55pm Tom & Barbara Brown
10.30pm Richard Grainger & Chris Parkinson
11.15pm Massed Festival Shantychoir (Direction Corsaires / Malcolm Ward / Alan Whitbread & all
Hands !)

Main Deck Chris Milner introduces:
7.00pm Ramshackle Shantymen
7.20pm Stormcrow
7.50pm Fools Gold
8.20pm Martin Curtis
9.00pm Devils Water
9.30pm Direction Corsaires
10.00pm tbc

The Vault 7.00pm Steve Dawes & Helen Pitt invite you to:-
Shanty and Sea Songs Session with special guests
Ramshackle Shantymen, Glenn Coggin,
Malcolm Ward and Stormcrow.


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 07:08 PM

Amazing - another "secret festival" suddenly appears out of the woodwork!
Welcome tho' it is, it does seem to be mostly guests and little time left for participation.
I'm curious, how did all these fine guests arrange to get themselves booked in the first place if nobody even knew it was going to happen until this month?
Summat weird goin' on here methinks...


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: stallion
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 07:49 PM

Er Klondike Arts run it, searched their stuff and came up with the line up. The reason I assume that this was conjured up was that Richard, in all probability, thought it was business as usual and booked the acts for Scarborough, someone in Scarborough Council or Klondike Arts probably thought "Fuck me shanty's and folk music, can't be doing with that, i like heavy metal and grunge, I know take their budget off em, that fuck em over". So budget withdrawn Richard then felt a responsibility to the booked acts and hastily rearranged the gig at a different venue and, because the funds were withdrawn has to charge entry to cover the ex's of the performers. I think we stick together here, there has been an assault on the Sea music front, first Lancaster then Hull and now Scarborough. In an ideal world the musicians union would withdraw labour from the Scarborough substitute festival given the short notice given, what is required is solidarity here not carping.
OK where's the barricade?


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: Jack Campin
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 08:14 PM

And Whitby ends up with a scale model of Folk Week a month early.

Is that really viable?


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: stallion
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 08:17 PM

Dunno, search me, just trying to keep what was a great festival alive


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 09:13 PM

Never met this Jack Campin or should it be carping?

Whatever the reason for the late notice on this event it looks like an interesting do.

Unfortunately the royal we are already committed to a regular event 200+ miles further north otherwise we would probably have been there.

Perhaps a change of date for next year (one or two weeks earlier 'cos after all there will be none of the football/jubilee/other distractions rubbish and it would then clash with less other folk things) would help.

In the meantime if you can get there for goodness sake go and help keep a worthwhile event going.

Oh and bollocks to Scarborough BC!


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: GUEST,Banjiman
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 03:45 AM

Stallion pretty much has it bang on. I can confirm that at least some of the acts (my other half anyway!) were booked for Scarborough Seafest.

Scarborough Council pulled the funding about 3 months ago (I can find the exact date if it is important) for the "folk" festival so the organiser (Richard Grainger) looked around for another venue.

This was finally confirmed a couple of months ago (again I can dig out the exact date if it is important).

I applaud Richard not just letting this die (that would have been easier) and finding a way of keeping it going. How many of those criticising actually put on events of this scale..... and would have put the effort in to keep this going?

Have a look at the programme again MoorleyMan..... everything going on in the vault has a participative element.

I get really fed up with the constant carping over positive developments...... the Folk21 thread is another good example. Come on people get behind those who are putting the effort in to make things happen....... or put the effort in to make something happen yourself.


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: nutty
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 04:43 AM

I really would like to give my support - if only I knew what was going on.

I admire Richard for his efforts - but you cant expect people to support an event if they don't know of its existance.

If (as you say) changes were made a couple of months ago - WHY - are we just hearing about it now.


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: GUEST,Helen
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 04:57 AM

I, for one, am looking forward to the weekend immensely. It is a great shame that we have lost Scarborough as a venue, but credit is due to Richard for finding an alternative, rather than just giving up. In my 'business owner' guise I am only too aware of how drastic cuts have been in the last couple of years and how suddenly councils and firms have to change direction or make unpopular decisions. This is not Richard's fault. Blame David Cameron or American banks etc if you want a villan.

As for publicity - perhaps it would be worth investigating Facebook for those who feel there is a lack of it - the event has been widely advertised there, since the venue changed. And I would imagine that most people who have previously attended any of 'Klondike's' other events will have their web site bookmarked. Again - plenty of info for interested parties.

Previous contributors are quite right. This is not a time for carping at the people who are organising events we enjoy. It is a time for supporting them and spreadng the word ourselves so that we can help events such as this survive the bad times and flourish in the good ones.


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 05:11 AM

Thanks Banjiman and Stallion for the informative background to all this.

Oh the curse of interfering politicians...

I'm not carping - or criticising (especially not Richard)- just hoping to get better informed.

It seems to be a matter of knowing who's "in the know" and knowing the right time to contact them.   
Rather than to find out about such laudable ventures only at such a late date, when other commitments have already been made.
Even tho' I try to keep my ear to the ground, ears are not infallible.. and there are only so many hours in a day !

And yes, you know full well that I do also "put the effort in to make things happen myself" (I won't indulge in any self-publicity)...
I find the carpers usually tend to be those who don't.

I'm sorry not to be able to make it up to Whitby myself this year.
Maybe next year then - if I'm in the loop and find out in good time...

Good luck to all involved with the upcoming weekend. It deserves to succeed.

MM


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: doc.tom
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 05:29 AM

Just so you can't say you didn't know - SeaIlfracombe is happenning from August 31st to September 4th 2012. I'll have some programmes at Whitby - or you can visit the website as www.seailfracombe.co.uk (which is mostly up to date although not intuitive - it's not my responsibility!).
TomB


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: Leadfingers
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 05:53 AM

Interesting - The act opening the Saturday Concert - Fools Gold - can someone tell me something about them ? Is that the Ex Babylon Robsons ?
I am curious as I was in a trio of that name twenty odd years ago with Nigel Jones and Janet Miller - Three part harmony / multi instrumental .


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: nutty
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 07:32 AM

Be serious Helen - you can't expect people to rely on getting information about a Folk event from a chat site.

You are all here on Mudcat when there is the slightest hint if critisism - so where are you when information needs to be communicated.

This is not the first time that information about these events has been woefully advertised and in this case when arrangements are changing it seems doubly important that people are kept informed.

As I've said before I'm not critising Richard for this efforts , mearly pointing out that he needs someone reliable to handle the publicity.


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 07:39 AM

"As I've said before I'm not critising Richard for this efforts , mearly pointing out that he needs someone reliable to handle the publicity."

Can't really argue with that Hazel!


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: GUEST,Banjiman
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 07:41 AM

Oooops that was me.


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: Ann N
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 07:51 AM

:) it's no good relying on Facebook for publicity when a lot of people don't (or won't) use it ...


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: mandomad
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 08:13 AM

I live in Whitby, five doors away from The Resolution, And only learned about the festival from last weeks Whitby Gazette. There hasn't even been any advertising in the venue's windows. To expect us to learn of a Festival through facebook seems an appalling way to advertise. Surely some flyers dropped in at the folk sessions/clubs in the area would have been a good idea!


                      mandomad


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 10:02 AM

Speaking as a FOREIGNER   
I hoep it goes well
not only cos I know some of the performers who are playing but because just looking at the list of whats on (above) it took a hell of a lot of sorting out ..and there aren't that many folks willing to do that..


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: theleveller
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 10:46 AM

"As I've said before I'm not critising Richard for this efforts , mearly pointing out that he needs someone reliable to handle the publicity."

Been telling him that for years :)


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: GUEST,Helen
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 12:15 PM

Mmm - facebook V mudcat. Actually, I check FB 2 or 3 times a day and like the fact that it's easy to up load photos and videos, which attract attention, rather than just links. Mudcat, on the otherhand, has slipped to a 'once a week' or maybe even less frequent, activity for me.

Many of my friends (folkie and non-folkie) and almost all businesses and organisations have a FB presence, which means that a lot of people are on a lot of the time, and by looking at items that your friends or friends-of-friends have viewed/commented on you tend to hear about a lot more things than just specialist folk events. Mudcat, on the otherhand, whilst of interest to dedicated folkies, has less relevance for the rest of the world, and items advertised on here are therefore far less likely to attract the 'general public'. Quick check on FB reveals 164 'likes'for this weekend's festival. If even half of those people are coming, the Resolution will be pretty full, and it will provide a very good foundation for taking the festival forward and into the rest of the town next year.

Agreed - FB and Mudcat are not mutually exclusive. In an ideal world everything I like would be flashed up everywhere I check into. But I do think that a lot of people will have seen correspondence concerning this weekend through the FB page, and through the KFA pages, and those presences are eyecatching and interactive.


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: nutty
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 02:27 PM

I hope the festival does succeed but I know that is more likely to happen if people know about it - particularly those local to the area.

Publicity is needed to attract "the general public" as well as the folk enthusiasts. Ask any folk festival organiser how successful their event would be if it wasn't widely advertised.

I'm not suggesting either Facebook or Mudcat but BOTH and every other relevant site as well.


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 05:59 PM

Brilliant! All power to your collective elbows! There seems to be a trend here for local councils placing their heads up their collective arses and then throwing money at exactly the wrong people to achieve their nefarious ends. I hope the Whitby experience is as good as last years Hull Shanty Festival, this year similarly wrecked by what appears to be false lights!
All the best
Paul


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 09:14 PM

Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: Jack Campin - PM
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 08:14 PM

And Whitby ends up with a scale model of Folk Week a month early.

Is that really viable
more inaccurate knife throwing from Jack Campin, scarborugh sea fest at whitby, is not a replica of any other whitby festival.
in my opinion anyone who organises anything folkwise should be supported.
and I am not saying this out of self interest, I am not booked at this festival, I am too busy playing in Ireland, but I think it is better that a new festival is started,instead of letting the old one die.


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: stallion
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 02:47 AM

Talking to B-in-L, many of the Scarborough back room crew have been working with the old programme, they were/are blissfully unaware that the line up had changed. It is as if the organisers have no idea, how would the heavy meatless behave if they turn up to a Rock concert and found Sea music instead. mmmmmmm.....I predict a riot la la la la la


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: r.padgett
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 03:31 AM

What a mess!

Bit like the banking debacle

Ray


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: stallion
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 07:07 AM

I wonder if there will be any regrets, to give you an inside into the mentality of the Scarborough Councillors, 2009, Friday night reception for the performers, the honourable mayor gave a most ineloquent speech thanking there performers for "helping to drag people to Scarborough", I couldn't help muttering "what screaming and kicking". you vill listen to volk music. To give you some idea of how they perform, Apollo leisure that leased the open air theatre are suing the council for a bucket load of dosh because the council managed to screw them over by not delivering extra seating and then using it when Apollo didn't have a function on. Big people little pond syndrome I think, with small town IQ's (am I not a bitch!)


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 07:15 AM

Not a bitch at all, Stallion. Same syndrome in Hull. The Council have effectively taken a successful festival from a tried and tested team and handed it over to businessmen, who know nothing about folk or maritime, at the last minute.


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: stallion
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 10:16 AM

if you can be bothered to read it, here's how scarborough Council do business, t


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: stallion
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 10:24 AM

Read the bit about Brian Bennett, responsible for Tourism & Culture, it's a killer!


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: Jack Campin
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 04:27 PM

There's a lot to be said for the Arab custom of giving your local officialdom one warning with a car bomb and then putting their bullet-riddled bodies on national TV.


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 12:52 PM

Peter-

That's all too painful to read. Let's have another round before the boat sails off!

Every festival we are interested in maintaining has to have a local committee that starts early and hangs in there till the end, and then thanks everyone profusely. You can't count on the Council or their staff to do that work right. You can't count of the business community to do that work right. They'll fuck it up and the sad thing is that they won't even realize what they are doing until it is too late.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: GUEST,John & Jean
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 03:36 AM

The true victims are my friends at least 12 people who have paid for accomodation in February at Scarborough expecting a proper seafest as in previous years with open singarounds in the pubs - only to find that its been moved 20 miles plus up the road and we are expected to pay a further £25 !!!!!

Who will recompense us for travelling over 120 miles too for nothing

At the time of booking all information including the seafest website showed the festival at Scarborough - including the Martin Carthy concert
A true shambles


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 03:40 AM

Sorry that misreads
We paid in February for this weekends accomodation


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: GUEST,SBC
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 04:24 AM

Scarborough Seafest is very much alive and kicking and begins tonight on Scarborough's West Pier with live music.

The festival continues over the weekend with more excellent live performances, a beer festival thanks to The Great Yorkshire Brewery based in Cropton; and seafood cookery demonstrations from some notable chefs, as well as around 40 stalls / exhibitors.

We hope the music will have a broad appeal and we're pretty confident there will be a great atmosphere at the festival.

More information can be found at www.discoveryorkshirecoast.com/seafest

In the interests of fairness, Richard Grainger, who has previously organised the music element of Scarborough Seafest, has organised the Whitby Sea Festival this weekend.


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: stallion
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 05:41 AM

guest SBC - Scarborough Borough Council perhaps. so you're reading this, then take note of what has been said, what you are presenting is not what was advertised, I think people who were expecting a Sea music festival may have a complaint for the trading standards officers. Also this forum is folk/blues not heavy metal!


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 06:07 AM

We hope the music will have a broad appeal

If you really think that, you'll obviously be happy to refund John&Jean and their 12 friends the costs of their accommodation, because you you won't have any problem selling it again, will you?


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 04:24 PM

SBC, did you sell this idea to HCC?


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 21 Jul 12 - 05:26 AM

You guys have mentioned Facebook and Mudcat, wjhich I use for promo, but I also use Twitter. It is a brilliant way of advertising events, by linking to a website. What I find really good about it, is that you can follow, big name people and then ask them to rewteet your post. If any of those people rewteet, your post, you are advertising to a huge audience.
Apart from that, if you don't put posters up and inform the press etc, then that definately is not good.
However, if a festival, moves it's location, through no fault of their own, this can have a disastrous impact in that year. But, if it is good, then people will look at next year.
For this year, the only thing the organisers can do is get the word out and hope that they get a good attendance.
Facebook is definately the best way to get the message out, as there are so many people who love folk and have a facebook account. If each person advertises the evnt on their site, then all their hundreds of friends get to see it and hopefully, they share it, so all their friends get to see it.
I don't think Mudcat can ever achieve that level of promotion. Many people I know, hardly post on Mudcat anymore. I used to be on Mudcat every day, but not anymore.
I just had a quick scan down this thread and did not see what dates this festival is and also is their a website with all the details? I am cetainly willing to put that on my facebooka account and Twitter account.


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: stallion
Date: 21 Jul 12 - 05:31 AM

OK, there are no quotes here, but I have been ferreting about and had some " off the record" remarks made. It would appear the councils do talk to each other and the main function of a festival of any kind is to convince the public that councillors and councils are doing something for them. Free festivals are usually for the locals but, in the case of Scarborough, it is also to bring in visitors. The general feeling is that a Sea music festival will not bring in enough people but pop festivals do, so councils are looking for "the next Glastonbury", Especially with Glastonbury not being on this year. To break that mould they had to wrest control of booking the acts away from the incumbents and hand it on to people who are "right on and hip, and know what the public want". In the case of Hull they were prepared to give the incumbents some say so long as they could have their pop bands, Scarborough took another tack and asked "Scarborough Acoustic" to organise the booking of acts. Scarborough Acoustic have run an annual "Pop" orientated free festival in Peasholme Park for a few years which, by all accounts, is very well attended. I think they were prepared to book some of the acts already booked whether that would have been on reduced fee, certainly there would have to have been some renegotiation. Scarborough Acoustic have had their funding withdrawn so their event will no longer be a free festival (a sum of £15 for the day was mentioned somewhere) That was also a suggestion from the police to make the event more manageable (keep the riff raft out) and the "bring your own booze" policy is to be replaced by a beer tent (no surprises their then!) So folks, at the end of the day it is the squeeze on this type of, what the councils see, minority interest group. The way forward is for our community to get together and find our own venue, fund our own venture and stick two fingers up to the Councillors and councils who know sweet FA about our community and care even less. Oh and if you read the article about apollo leisure and Scarborough council you will understand what a bunch of blithering small minded amateurs they are. Whilst I can see that Scarborough Acoustic were caught between a rock and a hard place on this one I can't help but think that their main concern was the festival in Peasholme Park and this may have been part of the political game to bolster or secure their main event. As I said, the people I have spoken to would not want to be named and will vehemently deny what has been said, after all it was over a few beers and I am sure they would have thought I would have kept my council.....still it had to be said.


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: GUEST,guest stallion
Date: 21 Jul 12 - 03:42 PM

Raven turns out to be a five piece womens group from the Scarborough area doh! Actually I have a cd of theirs that someone gave me some years ago, they are not half bad but I think they would describe their music as "World Music". ASo I take back what i said about it being a heavy metal band, the metal band have a much larger net profile. It appears that all the performers are local which is commendable and usually associated with free festivals


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 21 Jul 12 - 04:22 PM

Thanks for the inside word, Stallion. You are right, we'll just have to go it alone. First thing will have to be a meeting of interested parties. I think we'll be able to get the historic boats to come. I don't really think though it's a good idea like last year to just have it based in the pubs. I'd like to see it back as a public event as much outdoors as possible. I'd even like to see it back to its old date in September but that would not be fair on Goole who have now taken the vacated slot.


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 21 Jul 12 - 04:26 PM

So when is this Festival?


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 01:57 PM

Which one? There are at least 5 mentioned here.


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: stallion
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 04:45 PM

OK when do we start!


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Subject: RE: WARNING Scarborough Seafest
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 06:27 PM

I need to see Mick, Pete and a few others first. These are the people who know best how it works. It's difficult to see how an outdoor event could take place without council involvement.


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