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Subject: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 03:32 PM

The purpose of this thread is to gather, discuss, and analyse information about Stan Hugill's recordings and other performances.

Stan Hugill was, cumulatively, perhaps the most influential figure on the revival of shanties/chanties in the 2nd half of the twentieth century. While fellows like Bert Lloyd and Ewan MacColl were extremely influential on the singing of chanties within the broad Anglophone Folk Revival context, Hugill was especially influential in the more rarified genre/subgenre that he would help engender, "Sea Music."

Hugill did not exist in a vacuum, and his performance of sailor songs changed over time. In order to understand his work and influence, therefore, I believe one needs to understand where his performances were coming from. That is to say, it is not as if there was a full stock of traditional (orally transmitted, sung at sea) songs that got injected wholesale into Hugill by dint of his sea career and which he simply emitted "as is" for the rest of his life.

By the time Hugill had gone to sea, most of the significant works on chantying and chanty collections had already been published. A revival in chanty singing amongst land folk had started in the 1920s, and this was based in versions of chanties that had by then become quite homogenized and even standardized. The U.S. Merchant Marine had revived chanty singing as a pastime among its crews. London's Savage Club was a place where gentlemen gathered and sang chanties for leisure. Numerous chanty recordings were released in the 1920s. At the same time, practical chanty singing had largely died out at sea.

Hugill certainly learned a good amount of chanties in a practical context. But many more (how many?) were those he collected from individual singers while that was all going on, i.e. not necessarily stuff he'd sung. These two components made up priceless knowledge, and Hugill shared that in his 1961 work, Shanties from the Seven Seas. Again, however, chanties at that point were not a simple orally-transmitted tradition. Popular media versions were floating around. And by the time Hugill wrote his book he had consulted most of the major print sources that could be found. This led to a synthesis. With the exception of the really "rare" chanties that Hugill sang or collected in his day, most of the chanties in SfSS can be seen as some sort of combination of what Hugill may have heard at sea, heard on land, or read in books, plus his own creative license at the time of writing. There is also much in SfSS that Hugill never sang and never heard, either – stuff reproduced from other books. My understanding is that he could not read music well, and so he may not have had much idea of what some of these songs sounded like.

After the publication of SfSS, Hugill, in a way, entered the folk revival scene. He would become a performer, and like other performer, he was bound by certain constraints and conventions of the performance context. This influenced what he performed, to be sure, even after the writing of SfSS had expanded and changed his repertoire.

The development did not stop there, however. After becoming active in the Revival, Hugill was influenced by other renditions of the songs and/or was obligated to adopt them. It's difficult to swim upstream. Who nowadays, for example, could go to a singing session and try to sing "South Australia" in a form like it was originally documented while the Lloyd>Clancy Brothers version so saturates the air?

A great example of Hugill's change is the chanty of "John Cherokee." He presents an original form of it, that he collected, in SfSS. He recorded that on his first album (1962). Evidently, not many revival singers heard that album (did they?). At some point, a Revival version of "John Cherokee" was worked up, based in Joanna Colcord's collection (but misreading the notation a bit, to create a form that, IMO, is slightly uncharacteristic of an authentic chanty). Hugill's very different version of the song then disappears, and he himself goes on to record the Revival version.

All this is by way of introduction to what I hope to discuss in this thread – although anyone is welcome to discuss other things of broad relevance to the topic. I am interested in Hugill's actual performance repertoire (live and on recordings). I'm interested in how that repertoire relates to what he learned at sea, to what he included in his books, and to what other people were singing in the Revival. I'm interested in how those performances were "worked up" – including what "instructions" Hugill gave to others who were singing with him. (McGrath of Harlow had previously given some interesting info on this in a Mudcat thread; such personal anecdotes are of great interest.) And I am interested in how it all developed/changed over time.

I hope this provokes some interesting discussion.

Gibb Schreffler


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: kendall
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 04:10 PM

He gave me one of his tapes from a performance aboard the Cutty Sark.
No, I won't loan it. :-)


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 04:15 PM

kendall--

Is it the official album, "Aboard the Cutty Sark" (1979) or was it a private tape?

If the latter, when would that performance have taken place?


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 04:35 PM

He came to the old hoddesdon club a couple of times.
He signed my LP but foolishly I did not get the book signed.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: kendall
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 05:22 PM

It's a Memorex tape June 11, 1979


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 06:20 PM

Keith--

About when was it that he came to the Hoddeson club? Do remember anything about what he sang? Or any commentary about the singing? Which LP was signed?

kendall--

Thank you. I am trying to establish whether the contents of that tape -- which i won't ask to borrow! :) -- would have been the same as what turned into the official album. Was Hugill giving several/regular performances on the Cutty Sark, in which case he could have been recorded numerous times, or was it just a one-shot deal? -- in which case your tape could be a dub of the raw recording of the album.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 06:43 PM

Some reference info.

Back in 2008, I put together a chart of the items in SfSS. Based on that, I tallied the "items" in SfSS at:
418

This, no doubt, is where the book jacket gets the figure, "over 400." (However, it seems that note may just be on the Mystic Seaport Abridged edition -- which really only has closer to 280 items.)

Here, "items" includes any text that is given its own heading, and any melody variants. So for example, "Rio Grande (A)"and "Rio Grande (B)" would both be counted, i.e. 2 different items. The item count does not include little scraps of partial texts (though it includes partial melodies, if they differ from the main item).

If one collapses variants -- eg. if both the Rio Grande variants are considered as one piece of the song repertoire -- then the total number of items (or songs, let's say) is reduced by about 118.

The totally number of "different songs" in the collection, then, is close to 300.

Hugill's later books, SHANTIES AND SAILORS' SONGS (1969) and SONGS OF THE SEA (1977), add about 5 English-language songs (I don't have the exact count by me!) and a few foreign-language songs.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 06:58 PM

From the historical point of view, I think it's important to stress that, as far as I can tell, Hugill's *style* didn't change in any significant way between 1962 and at least 1989.

And if, as seems likely, MacColl learned "Stormalong" from Hugill's singing before 1956, it hadn't changed much after that date either.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: kendall
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 08:04 PM

Gibb Sahib, I didn't ask and I don't know what is on the official album. If you like I can play it and post the songs here.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 09:10 PM

kendall, it would be nice to know, but if it is trouble, don't worry about it. I will list the contents of the album I was referring to in the next post. Perhaps it will ring a bell, and save you the trouble.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 09:11 PM

Here's a working list of Hugill recordings. Corrections and additions are appreciated.

1950s
Hugill recorded some shanties at the Cecil Sharp House (according to his intro in SfSS). I don't know what these were. However, a recent discussion about where A.L. Lloyd and Ewan MacColl learned their sea songs suggested that a few were based on Hugill's versions. Perhaps there may have been some overlap between these and what was recorded by Hugill. The proposed songs are:

Stormalong (way, stormalong, john)
Off to Sea Once More
Reuben Ranzo
Blow Boys Blow
Jamboree

1962
SHANTIES FROM THE SEVEN SEAS
Stan sings with the York & Albany Crew recorded in Cecil Sharp House.

The Ebenezer
Stormalong
A Long Time Ago
Essequibo River
Liverpool Packet
John Cherokee
Row, Bullies, Row
Paddy Lay Back
John Kanaka
The Flash Packet
Way Down in Dixie
The Companayro
Ranzo Ray
Swansea Town.

1970 (25 Jan.)
The Last Voyage of the Garthpool (Video)

Tracks?        

1971
MEN AND THE SEA MEN
For the Bristol City Museum with "The Folk Tradition".

The Lime Juice Ship
South Australia.

1978
Sea Songs and Chanteys sung at the 1978 Seattle Chantey Festival

A Long time Ago
Lowlands

1979 (June?)
ABOARD THE CUTTY SARK

Blow The Man Down
Boston Town Ho
New York Girls
Ratcliffe Highway
Lowlands
Shenandoah
Santy Anna
Leave Her, Johnny Leave Her.

1979
STAN HUGILL REMINISCES
The Herga Folk Club, Wealdstone Middlesex.

Larry Mare
Roll, Bullies, Roll
Bounty Was A Packet Ship
Strike The Bell
Fire Down Below
A Long Time Ago
Hilo Come Down Below
John Cherokee
Shiny-O
John Kanaka
Sacramento
Rolling Down To Old Maui.

1980
Sea Songs and Chanteys sung at the 1980 Newport Chantey Festival

Paddy Lay Back

1980
ALL I ASK IS A TALL SHIP (Video)
On board the 'Sorlandet' on the training leg of the 1980 Tall Ships race.

Tracks?

1988
In Concert at Mystic Seaport

Vire Au Guindeau
Santiano
South Australia
Blow The Man Down
Hooraw for the Black Ball Line
Larry Marr
Lowlands
John Kanaka
The Arabella
Leave Her Johnny.

1989
A SALTY FORE TOPMAN
with Stormalong John.

Where Am I to Go
The Girls of Dublin Town
Running Down To Cuba
Old Moke Pickin' On The Banjo
Eight Bells
Roll Boys Roll
The Pilots of Tiger Bay
The Gals Of Chile
Golden Vanitee
Heave Away Boys, Heave Away
The Companero
Jack all Alone
Pull Down Below
Aboard The Kangaroo
Haul Away Boys
The Anglesy.

1989-91
CHANTS DES MARINS ANGLAIS
with Stormalong John.
Live recordings at Douarnenez 88 and Fete du chant de marin, Paimpol 1989-1991

Blow the Man Down
The Balaena
South Australia
Santiana
Lowlands
John Kanaka
Serafina
Admiral Benbow
Rolling Down to Old Maui
Let the Bulgine Run
Good Bye Fare Ye Well
The Girls of Dublin Town
Sam's Gone Away
The Drunken Sailor
Strike the Bell
Roll the Old Chariot
Hieland Laddie
Bulley in the Ally
The Black Ball Line
Randy Dandy O
Paddy Lay Back
Rio Grande

1990
The Last Shantyman. Live in Workum (Video)
from the International Shanty Festival 1990

Lowlands
Haul on the Bowline
Haul Away Joe
South Australia
Leave Her Johnny


1990
Pusser's Rum Sailing Songs

Strike the Bell
Drink a Tot to Me
Blow the Man Down
Santiano

1991 (November)
SAILING DAYS
with Stormalong John (last recording).

A-Rolling Down The River
Way Down In Dixie
Whaling Johnny
Round The Bay Of Mexico
Shenandoah
Radcliffe Highway
We're All Bound to Go
The Fireship
The Indian Lass
The Leaky Ship
Bosun's Alphabet
Sacramento.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 09:31 PM

And here is a list, culled from the above, of songs that Hugill sang. It is just raw data.

if you can think of any other songs you've heard him sing, please add the (preferably with a note of where/when you heard it).

A Long Time Ago (3)
Aboard The Kangaroo
Admiral Benbow
A-Rolling Down The River (2)
Blow The Man Down (4)
Boston Town Ho
Bosun's Alphabet
Bounty Was A Packet Ship
Bully in the Alley
Chinee Bumboatman [I've taken this from another source, not given above]
Eight Bells
Essequibo River
Fire Down Below
Golden Vanitee
Good Bye Fare Ye Well
Haul Away Boys
Haul Away Joe
Haul on the Bowline
Heave Away Boys, Heave Away
Hieland Laddie
Hilo Come Down Below
Jack all Alone
John Cherokee (2 styles)
John Kanaka (4)
Larry Marr (2)
Leave Her Johnny (3)
Let the Bulgine Run
Liverpool Packet
Lowlands (5)
New York Girls
Old Moke Pickin' On The Banjo
Paddy Lay Back (3)
Pull Down Below
Randy Dandy O
Ranzo Ray
Ratcliffe Highway (2)
Rio Grande
Roll Boys Roll
Roll the Old Chariot
Roll, Bullies, Roll (2)
Rolling Down to Old Maui (2)
Round The Bay Of Mexico
Running Down To Cuba
Sacramento (2)
Sam's Gone Away
Santiana (4)
Serafina
Shenandoah (2)
Shiny-O
South Australia (4)
Stormalong
Strike The Bell (3)
Swansea Town.
The Anglesy
The Balaena
The Black Ball Line (2)
The Companero (2)
The Drunken Sailor
The Ebenezer
The Fireship
The Flash Packet
The Gals Of Chile
The Girls of Dublin Town (2)
The Indian Lass
The Leaky Ship
The Lime Juice Ship
The Pilots of Tiger Bay
Vire Au Guindeau
Way Down in Dixie (2)
We're All Bound to Go
Whaling Johnny
Where Am I to Go
[Blow Boys Blow
[Jamboree
[Off to Sea Once More
[Reuben Ranzo
[Stormalong (way, stormalong, john)]

That's 77 songs.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 10:14 PM

Currently on eBay at £14.99 starting price (no bids yet):-
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STAN-HUGILL-Aboard-The-Cutty-Sark-CD-RARE-OOP-2000-Old-Sea-Songs-Shanties-/110920201574?pt=UK_CDsDVDs_
(CD version from year 2000 of Joe Stead's Greenwich Village album (presumably LP) of 1979). Source indicated as CM Distribution, Harrogate. Songs as listed above, introduction by Jim McGeean, and between song chat on various topics from (?) Stan Hugill.

Also available from the Chantey Cabin for £12.00 plus p&p

The Chantey Cabin (http://chanteycabin.co.uk/ ) had a few Stan Hugill CDs available at the Centenary event they organized in Liverpool a few years back, and still carry some stock. I seem to remember a commemorative CD which went to everybody who took part in the event.

Mystic Seaport Store has http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stan-Hugill-in-Concert-CD-/150387521024?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item2303cb7600 available, as do Chantey Cabin.

Ross


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: Reinhard
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 11:27 PM

Smithsonian Folkways has Stan Hugill on two more CDs:

Sea Music of Many Lands: The Pacific Heritage
Folkways FW38405
Recorded in 1980 at the annual Festival of the Sea in San Francisco
Stan Hugill sings South Australia and Blow the Man Down

Songs of the Sea: The National Maritime Museum Festival of the Sea
Folkways FW37315
Recorded in open air at the 1979 Hyde Street Pier in San Francisco
Stan Hugill sings Clear Away the Track


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 11:41 PM

Great, Reinhard. Thank you.

***

Still need track listings for these media:

1980
ALL I ASK IS A TALL SHIP (Video)
On board the 'Sorlandet' on the training leg of the 1980 Tall Ships race.

1970 (25 Jan.)
The Last Voyage of the Garthpool (Video)

I suspect some UK/Euro folks out there have these.

***

I'm fascinated by the seeming fact that the songs I think Hugill may have shared with Lloyd/MacColl are not turning up in his later recordings.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 23 Jul 12 - 01:04 PM

Here's a list of Hugill repertoire this time sorted according to whether the songs had appeared in his books. While most would be in SfSS, the appearance of other songs later on usually indicates that he didn't consider them shanties (thus escaping inclusion in SfSS) or that he only learned or discovered them later in life.

SHANTIES FROM THE SEVEN SEAS (1961)
A Long Time Ago (3)
Aboard The Kangaroo
A-Rolling Down The River (2)
Blow The Man Down (5)
Bosun's Alphabet
Bully in the Alley
Chinee Bumboatman
Essequibo River
Fire Down Below
Golden Vanitee
Good Bye Fare Ye Well
Haul Away Boys
Haul Away Joe
Haul on the Bowline
Heave Away Boys, Heave Away
Hieland Laddie
Hilo Come Down Below
Jack all Alone
John Cherokee (2 styles)
John Kanaka (4)
Larry Marr (2)
Leave Her Johnny (3)
Let the Bulgine Run (2)
Liverpool Packet
Lowlands (5)
New York Girls
Old Moke Pickin' On The Banjo
Paddy Lay Back (3)
Randy Dandy O
Ranzo Ray
Ratcliffe Highway (2)
Rio Grande
Roll Boys Roll
Roll the Old Chariot
Roll, Bullies, Roll (2)
Round The Bay Of Mexico
Sacramento (2)
Santiana (4)
Serafina
Shenandoah (2)
South Australia (5)
Stormalong
Swansea Town.
The Anglesy
The Black Ball Line (2)
The Companero (2)
The Drunken Sailor
The Ebenezer
The Fireship
The Flash Packet
The Gals Of Chile
The Girls of Dublin Town (2)
The Lime Juice Ship
Vire Au Guindeau
Way Down in Dixie (2)
We're All Bound to Go
Where Am I to Go
[Blow Boys Blow
[Jamboree
[Off to Sea Once More
[Reuben Ranzo
[Stormalong (way, stormalong, john)]

SHANTIES AND SAILORS' SONGS (1969)
Admiral Benbow
Bounty Was A Packet Ship
Strike The Bell (3)

SONGS OF THE SEA (1977)
Eight Bells
Rolling Down to Old Maui (2)

From other sources / not in his books
Boston Town Ho
Pull Down Below
Running Down To Cuba
Sam's Gone Away
Shiny-O
The Balaena
The Indian Lass
The Leaky Ship
The Pilots of Tiger Bay
Whaling Johnny


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jul 12 - 01:24 PM

My signed LP is ATCS, and dated Nov.83.

The recording was made "on the evening of Monday June 11th 1979 during, and by courtesy of, the Grennwich Festival"

I can not remember details of his performances.
Sorry Gibb.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 23 Jul 12 - 02:16 PM

Thanks, Keith!
That at least tells us that kendall's tape is from the same performance (ie because of the date).


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 23 Jul 12 - 02:49 PM

I need to back-peddle from a comment I made in the OP. About "John Cherokee", I thought I remembered finding Hugill had changed his performance of it. I thought I remembered some later recording that was different than the earlier and his book. Well, I wasn't on drugs, so maybe lack of drugs explain it! I checked again, and on his later recording of it, 1979, he did sing it in his "book" way. I have not heard his 1962 recording, but it seems only possible that he would have sung it that way, too.

Where I got confused, i think, is that Marc Bernier of Mystic Seaport chanty staff said on another thread that when that group put together their booklet of songs, he transcribed them in just the way people sung. He stated that the SfSS melody was not what Hugill was singing at that time (i.e. the 1980s, I guess), and that the form of melody now well known in the Revival scene is what Hugill sang. I don't have any other evidence to verify that claim though -- one that would imply Hugill caved (?) to singing it the Revival way in the 1980s.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 23 Jul 12 - 03:05 PM

So, perhaps thinking in terms of each set of recordings, moving chronologically...

1. The 1950s Cecil Sharp House recordings: what do we know?

***

2. The first album, Shanties from the Seven Seas. Very interesting set list. It strikes me as slightly uncharacteristic of the kind of stuff he'd later do.

The Ebenezer
Stormalong
A Long Time Ago
Essequibo River
Liverpool Packet
John Cherokee
Row, Bullies, Row
Paddy Lay Back
John Kanaka
The Flash Packet
Way Down in Dixie
The Companayro
Ranzo Ray
Swansea Town.

There is slightly more emphasis on the songs he gathered from his West Indian informants. Or maybe the emphasis is just on songs that had few sources / that were not well known. Because there is also maybe an avoidance of the songs that would have been really well known.

My guess is that a goal was to follow up the SfSS publication with some examples of what was really special in it, stuff others didn't have in their repertoire/ record collection.
In later years, Hugill settled into what he really *liked* to sing, I suppose.

How were these performances (for this album) worked up? Did Hugill do them all from memory, or were some oddball items from his collection for which reason he needed to reference the book or jot down words?

Who were "the York & Albany Crew"? McGrath of Harlow shared this memory 13 yrs ago on Mudcat:

//
Date: 27 Nov 99 - 09:24 PM

When Stan Hugill was recording "Shanties of the Seven Seas" many years ago, down in the cellar of Cecil Sharp House in London, he was very keen on keeping them authentic as working shanties.
So he had the shanty crew (of which I was one) walking round in a circle for the capstan shanties, till we got it right, and hauling on cables for some of the other songs - whatever was the appropriate kind of activity.
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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 23 Jul 12 - 05:45 PM

Gibb
You've probably already done this, but there may be some relevant bits in 'Sailortown'. 1967


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 01:40 AM

A quote from elsewhere in Mudcat's past, from singer Stan Kelly:

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Subject: RE: A.L. Lloyd:History and anecdotes?
From: GUEST,skb@atdial.net - PM
Date: 07 Dec 03 - 12:14 AM

Chanteyranger
forgot to mention that Stan Hugill & I did a chantey record for
HMV (that gives my age away?)
I think we each "took the lead" on diverse tracks
For the chorus Stan dragged in the usual suspects
The LP was named after his book Shanties of the 7 seas"
I'll do a google when I have the time
Wonder if HMV's successors (EMI??) kept the master tapes?
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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: radriano
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 02:21 PM

I have the Cutty Sark performance as a CD.


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: Barbara
Date: 02 Aug 12 - 12:58 PM

Gibb, I heard Stan, Louis Killen (ne) and a whole bunch of other singers do a lot of chanties over a three day period at the Tall Ships Festival in Seattle WA in 1976. There was singing in the day at Pikes Street Market, and in the evening at a bar on the end of a point, off Bellingham, maybe?
One of the songs I learned in that time period was Doodle Let Me Go (Yellow/Yaller Gals),
and there's a thread on it here that says Stan performed it.
http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=49421
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: GUEST,Someone who trained 1980 and was filmed with
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 09:51 AM

I remember Stan very well...

In 1980, I was on board the 'Sorlandet' and at the start of training I was really afraid of climbing the rigging. But I kept at it, and ended up being one of the most enthusiastic. In fact, it was hard to keep me from it, ha...

One of the BBC segments consists of me and Stan up in the rigging - the oldest most adept and the new enthusiast - and I will never forget how kind he was to me.

I would so love to see that BBC documentary. It brings me to tears just thinking about how wonderful it would be.

Thank you for listening

And God bless Stan!!


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: Lighter
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 10:19 AM

Did he sing any of his "bawdy" shanties?

Do you remember how any of them went?

The biggest question in Stan Hugill studies....


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: doc.tom
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 04:06 PM

The biggest question in Stan Hugill studies...
Is unresolvable, Jon


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 07:36 PM

His 1961 recording Shanties from the Seven Seas was recorded to plug his book of the same title. It's still available as a Folktrax CD from (who else)CAMSCO Music
Tracklist: RATCLIFFE HIGHWAY - OH AYE RIO - STORMALONG - NOAH'S ARK - RANZO RAY - WHISKY JOHNNY - JOHN KANAKA - PADDY LAY BACK - JAMBOREE - LIVERPOOL PACKET - ESSIQUIBO RIVER - DIXIE - SWANSEA TOWN - ALABAMA - EBENEZER - FIRE DOWN BELOW - CAMPANERO - LADDY MARR - ROW BULLIES ROW


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Subject: RE: Stan Hugill's Performances
From: Lighter
Date: 26 Jul 13 - 12:11 PM

Hi, Tom.

Legend has it that Hugill used to sing bawdy shanties at festivals after hours. Surely someone learned some of them.

On the other hand, possibly there were only one or two verses, and they weren't much.

Which is my theory.

I've posted elsewhere on the bawdy shanties he sang, somewhat reluctantly, at Mystic in the '88.


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