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New Book-'The Greatest Anti-War Song Ever Written'

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Subject: The Greatest Anti-War Song Ever Written
From: GUEST,dick greenhaus
Date: 06 Aug 12 - 10:49 PM

CAMSCO Music is happy to announce the first publication of a new series: "Occasional Papers in Folklore"---works that are too lengthy for Journal articles, but don't have the length for a full-sized book. The first paper in this series is our own Jon Lighter's The Best Anti-War Song Ever Written—a study of "Johnny I Hardly Knew Ye."
    That "Johnny I Hardly Knew Ye" is an anonymous song of Irish origin, created as a bitter indictment of war and long predating the War Between the States has become nearly universally accepted–endorsed by recording artists and by Alan Lomax, by the Times of London and by many amateur folksingers who perform it. It is frequently claimed in such accounts that Union army bandmaster Patrick S. Gilmore's composition "When Johnny Comes Marching Home"(1863), with its idealized welcome for the representative soldier "Johnny" was an insidious rewrite that, in the words of historian Robert V. Wells, "clearly served the need for Civil War propaganda." Gilmore's purported use of the Irish song's melody, stanzaic form and situation is seen as a successfully manipulative effort to replace an earlier, more genuine work of art whose deeply pacifist message the war-makers could not allow to go unchallenged.
    But is any of that true at all? Jonathan Lighter, Lecturer in English at the University of Tennessee and editor of the Historical Dictionary of American Slang reveals the surprising history of the lyrics and melody of"Johnny, I Hardly Knew Ye", uncovering its roots and tracing its ever-changing role in popular culture up to the present day.
    The Best Anti-War Song Ever Written thoroughly explores the origins of both the song's meldy and its lyrics, and is painstakingly referenced.
    ISBN 978-1-935243-89-2   72 pages softcover       $9.95 (US/ £6.40 UK)


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Subject: RE: The Greatest Anti-War Song Ever Written
From: Barbara
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 12:33 AM

Sounds fascinating, Dick, but how did you come to be a GUEST?
Blessings
Barbara


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Subject: RE: The Greatest Anti-War Song Ever Written
From: banjoman
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 04:47 AM

Not sure if this thread is about the one song or an invite to nominate the best anti war song. If its the latter I would nominate Tom Paxton's "Whose garden was this"
If not then I find the discussion above very interestin. Thanks


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Subject: RE: The Greatest Anti-War Song Ever Written
From: Andrez
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 08:46 AM

As with banjoman, if its the latter, I'll put in a plug for Masters of War but really there are so many great songs in this genre how on earth can ye pick one o 'em?

Cheers,

Andre


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Subject: RE: The Greatest Anti-War Song Ever Written
From: Whistleworks
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 08:56 AM

As with banjoman, if its the latter, I would say Green Fields of France (Willie McBride) by Eric Bogle.


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Subject: RE: The Greatest Anti-War Song Ever Written
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 09:43 AM

The thread is about a book.Which can be purchaseed from CAMSCO (dick@camscomusic.com)

The phrase "THe best anti-war ong ever written" is a quote from Malachy McCourt.

I posted as a guest because I was not at my own computer.

I heartily recommend the book. It's not that I like it because I published it; much more to the point, I published it because I like it---vary much.


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Subject: RE: The Greatest Anti-War Song Ever Written
From: GUEST,loki
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 09:52 AM

Tom Paxton again - Jimmy Newman


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Subject: RE: The Greatest Anti-War Song Ever Written
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 10:01 AM

No one is listening to Dick..... this is not an invitation to plug YOUR vote.

(You gotta be careful how you name threads, Dick...)


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Subject: RE: "The Greatest Anti-War Song Ever Written"
From: GUEST,Tony
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 10:38 AM

Irony is lost on this crowd. The point is that "Johnny We Hardly Knew Ye" is, far from being the greatest anti-war song ever (as has been suggested), not even an anti-war song in its origin and musical spirit. It's a cadenced military chant -- akin to the "Ballad of the Green Berets" and that song they chant during the opening scene of "Wag the Dog" -- to which some desperate anti-war protester set lyrics antithetical to the original.


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Subject: RE: "The Greatest Anti-War Song Ever Written" new book
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 11:45 AM

Guest Tony-
Close but no cigar. Try reading the book and see what actually transpired.


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Subject: RE: "The Greatest Anti-War Song Ever Written" new book
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 11:46 AM

Whatever,
Any book written by Jon has got to be good.

And as for the aslternative thread I vote for 'Where have all the flowers gone?'


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Subject: RE: "The Greatest Anti-War Song Ever Written" new book
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 12:05 PM

I shall certainly look forward to reading the book, but if this thread was a poll instead of a plug, I would have to nominate The Band Played Waltzing Matilda.


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Subject: RE: "The Greatest Anti-War Song Ever Written" new book
From: Amos
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 01:23 PM

Me, I vote for "Strangest Dream". But getting back to the topic, it sounds like an interesting read, Dick. Thanks for publishing it.


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Subject: RE: "The Greatest Anti-War Song Ever Written" new book
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 01:31 PM

I fancy most of this list to be in the running for the best anti-war song!


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Subject: RE: "The Greatest Anti-War Song Ever Written" new book
From: GUEST,mark
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 11:23 PM

given the title and the song chosen am I just imagining a USA centric view about all this?


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From: dick greenhaus
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 11:30 PM

Guest mark-
Not hardly. The book deals with Ireland, England, the US and even a smidge of Scotland.


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Subject: RE: "The Greatest Anti-War Song Ever Written" new book
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 11:42 PM

Exhaustively researched. Good stuff comes from the combination of Lighter's broad and long study of songs and literature with the resources offered by recent technology.

I'd venture to guess that the now-available information (or at least the comparative ease of access to it) makes the established knowledge of songs from even 10 years ago potentially obsolete. Lighter has built upon long standing familiarity with info found flung far and wide. Don't assume we "know" the "story" of any of these songs yet until reading things like this.

I can see Dick's series going on for a long time...there are lot's of songs out there!


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From: dick greenhaus
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 11:46 PM

Gibb-
I hope so. We've been soliciting worthy manuscripts--and not limited to songs. These are Occasional Papers in Folklore

dick


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Subject: RE: New Book-'The Greatest Anti-War Song Ever Written'
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 02:04 PM

Just settled on Shipping cost for the book. $2.50 in US; $7.00 to UK or Europe.


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