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Concertina neck strap

Guran 11 Aug 12 - 04:02 AM
GUEST,leeneia 11 Aug 12 - 11:06 AM
Spectacled Warbler 11 Aug 12 - 12:15 PM
The Sandman 11 Aug 12 - 01:18 PM
Guran 12 Aug 12 - 03:06 AM
Guran 12 Aug 12 - 03:13 AM
GUEST,Tom Theis 18 Dec 15 - 02:23 PM
Richard Mellish 18 Dec 15 - 05:48 PM
Guran 31 Dec 15 - 10:56 AM
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Subject: Concertina neck strap
From: Guran
Date: 11 Aug 12 - 04:02 AM

This issue comes up for discussion now and then and right now at the c.net general forum.It is saddening to notice however that the old Victorian method using a thin cord around the neck to support the instrument while playing it with forearms held horisontal (elbow angle 90 degrees)quite often is recommended despite it is severely dysfunctional and potentially harmful.
To be ergonomically suitable broad elastic straps should be used and not around the neck but over one (or even better two) shoulder(s) and
the instrument held low so that it hangs only in the supporting straps with and elbow angle ca 120 degrees or more.
Only when playing very energetically a higher playing position may be preferable but this will increase the demands for stabilizing static load on hands and arms which rather should be avoided.


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Subject: RE: Concertina neck strap
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 11 Aug 12 - 11:06 AM

Right. My harp teacher said the same thing. The oldtimers said to raise the elbows till the forearms were horizontal. Forget that!


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Subject: RE: Concertina neck strap
From: Spectacled Warbler
Date: 11 Aug 12 - 12:15 PM

I use a binocular harness so the weight is taken by my back / shoulders instead of my neck. Much more comfortable.

Joy


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Subject: RE: Concertina neck strap
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Aug 12 - 01:18 PM

a concertina neck strap is very useful if the player is not satisfied with his own playing, if he has enough strap he can sing higher, or alternatively put himself out of his misery.


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Subject: RE: Concertina neck strap
From: Guran
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 03:06 AM

leeneia/ 11 Aug 12 - 11:06 AM
"Right. My harp teacher said the same thing. The oldtimers said to raise the elbows till the forearms were horizontal. Forget that!"

RE:One of the most important issues in all work hygiene is avoiding static muscular effort as far as possible and this is a perfect example! Always find relaxed positions and use dynamic and flexible methods and maybe most important of all: regular and frequent breaks!

Warbler/11 Aug 12 - 12:15 PM
"I use a binocular harness so the weight is taken by my back / shoulders instead of my neck. Much more comfortable"

RE: Excellent! The awareness about means to support the concertina- and firstly all other musical instruments too - very positively seems to have grown in later years.Here is one example for saxophones:

http://www.windcorp.se/sv/article/867/sele_saxofon_neotech

There is one important difference between playing concertina and sax however: The sax has to be kept steady in your mouth while the concertina has to be moved around and the playing position preferably changes. This means that the supporting strap(s) should better be elastic so that support may be given at varying heights and without jerks when working the bellows.This clip shows how I arrange it:

http://www.windcorp.se/sv/article/867/sele_saxofon_neotec


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Subject: RE: Concertina neck strap
From: Guran
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 03:13 AM

Sorry , the last link was wrong of course.Should be this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSsBwO2PTVE&feature=plcp


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Subject: RE: Concertina neck strap
From: GUEST,Tom Theis
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 02:23 PM

My father-in-law is looking for a neck strap to purchase anyone know where I can get one in the minneapolis area


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Subject: RE: Concertina neck strap
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 05:48 PM

The strap per se is trivial. Use any leather or ribbon you fancy. The complication is attaching it to an instrument that isn't designed for a strap. It has to take a fair amount of the weight without too much tendency to tilt the instrument and without imposing excessive force somewhere that can't take it. All perfectly possible but I don't know whether you can get something off the shelf.


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Subject: RE: Concertina neck strap
From: Guran
Date: 31 Dec 15 - 10:56 AM

Reply to Tom Theis Dec 18

I repeat: A classical *neck strap* better NOT BE USED AT ALL !! It is counterproductive in many ways:
It is too thin, it is rigid, it is usually attached at a location that does not provide a suitable balancing position and first of all if avoidable you should never carry ANYTHING around your neck since that provokes static muscular strain in one of the most vulnerable parts of the body.Furthermore the classical neckstrap presupposes that the instrument is held waist high with elbows at right angle.
When using a support for the instrument it should instead be held - or hanging rather - as low as possible to relieve as much weight as possible.

Instead of a neckstrap a shoulder strap, or even better two, or a harness of some kind, should be used. The best is using elastic straps so that the vertical position may be adjustable while playing. The simplest way to attach the straps to the instrument is by means of an intermediate strap 20-25cm long fixed between a pair of end bolts each side ( one free endbolt interpositioned ) On to this strap the ends of the shoulder strap is attached so that an ideally balancing position is achieved where the instrument does not want to counteract the best relation between hand and keyboard.

From an ergonomic viewpoint this is all simple and selfevident....


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