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Dublin sets buskers minimum standards

Leslie Butler 11 Aug 12 - 07:03 AM
Sandra in Sydney 11 Aug 12 - 07:46 AM
Owen Woodson 11 Aug 12 - 08:03 AM
GUEST,John Foxen 11 Aug 12 - 08:57 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 11 Aug 12 - 09:23 AM
GUEST,Liberty Boy (sans cookie) 11 Aug 12 - 03:24 PM
Gurney 11 Aug 12 - 04:12 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 11 Aug 12 - 05:04 PM
Joe Offer 11 Aug 12 - 05:08 PM
Fergie 11 Aug 12 - 08:45 PM
GUEST,Stim 11 Aug 12 - 10:03 PM
ollaimh 11 Aug 12 - 10:31 PM
Joe Offer 11 Aug 12 - 10:41 PM
alanabit 12 Aug 12 - 03:06 AM
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Subject: Dublin sets buskers minimum standards
From: Leslie Butler
Date: 11 Aug 12 - 07:03 AM

To busk in Dublin, you are now required to know at least 20 songs. AND! Limits have been imposed on amplification. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19111983. They don't mention karaoke-type backing tracks, but if they're banned as well, then this all seems to me a very positive move. Hmm?


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Subject: RE: Dublin sets buskers minimum standards
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 11 Aug 12 - 07:46 AM

excellent idea to limit levels of amplification - may they continue making the limits even lower!

and I won't start my usual rant about backing tracks ...

well, I might just mention the classical violinist who is/was busking around Sydney - all dressed up in his suit & playing along with a whole symphony orchestra! And maybe the guitarist accompanied by a whole swing? band ...

sandra (listing to traditional folk music)


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Subject: RE: Dublin sets buskers minimum standards
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 11 Aug 12 - 08:03 AM

Lucky old Dublin. Here in Liverpool the city council has just introduced a regulation requiring buskers to pay £20 for a permit and £100 public liability insurance a year. This includes anyone legitimately busking for charity.

To make things worse they've strictly regulated the numbers of playing locations and times. Effectively, the aim is to drive busking out of existence.

Strange, considering that I've never seen a busker who in any way, shape or form constituted a public nuisance. Yes, I know some of them play too damned loud, but there's laws already in existence to deal with that. And there's nothing about excessive volume in the new regulations.


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Subject: RE: Dublin sets buskers minimum standards
From: GUEST,John Foxen
Date: 11 Aug 12 - 08:57 AM

"To busk in Dublin, you are now required to know at least 20 songs"

Hmmm. There was a recent radio programme about mariachi music in Mexico. The advice of one contributor was: "If you only know 200 songs then don't bother leaving your village."


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Subject: RE: Dublin sets buskers minimum standards
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 11 Aug 12 - 09:23 AM

Irish Times article


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Subject: RE: Dublin sets buskers minimum standards
From: GUEST,Liberty Boy (sans cookie)
Date: 11 Aug 12 - 03:24 PM

This is a really positive move IMO.


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Subject: RE: Dublin sets buskers minimum standards
From: Gurney
Date: 11 Aug 12 - 04:12 PM

Public liability insurance? What the hell? Are scouser buskers so bad that the audience needs counselling, or are they dangerous in some other way?


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Subject: RE: Dublin sets buskers minimum standards
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 11 Aug 12 - 05:04 PM

Perhaps the public liability insurance is there in case an audience member accidentally injures himself while assaulting a busker.


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Subject: RE: Dublin sets buskers minimum standards
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Aug 12 - 05:08 PM

I spent four days walking Dublin in May, and I stopped to listen to many of the buskers. I'll agree that limiting amplification would be a great improvement, but I enjoyed the Dublin buskers very much. I think I could enjoy spending a week in Dublin every year. It's a wonderful place, and the singarounds were terrific.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Dublin sets buskers minimum standards
From: Fergie
Date: 11 Aug 12 - 08:45 PM

Hi Joe,
Everything you said about Dublin is true and we were all so happy to meet on your visit to Dublin and to Bray, but don't forget that you missed the grandaddy of all the singarounds, not alone in Dublin, but in the entire universe; The Góilín Singers' Club. It's the Mecca for all who find solace in traditional singing and listening. Hope to see you back here again soon.

Fergus


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Subject: RE: Dublin sets buskers minimum standards
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 11 Aug 12 - 10:03 PM

I don't like street performers being regulated.

Busking was once a creative refuge for those artists whose work didn't conform to the expectations of venues or the standards of programming committees and bookers. The "minimum standard" was simple; you needed to be able to draw and keep an audience.

Not so now--in many places, there are licenses, permits, fees, auditions, qualifications--and regulations as to what, when, and how you play, and all this with no promise of compensation. Even worse, the authorities who "permit" you be performers have, and exercise, the power to revoke your permits and stop you from playing.

I might as well mention, now that I am sufficiently wound up, that these same municipalities that charge for permits to play also promote the street music as a tourist attraction. What's up with that?

And yes, I know that once it was illegal in a lot of places to busk, and there have been years of legal battles to get things to where people can finally legally perform, and I'll even admit that in those halcyon days, I remember being taken to the city limits in a police car on more than one occasion(and having to sneak back into to town to get my car), but still, shouldn't we just be able to sing or play in the public street when we want to? Is that so wrong?


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Subject: RE: Dublin sets buskers minimum standards
From: ollaimh
Date: 11 Aug 12 - 10:31 PM

twenty songs is hardly a challenge. i used to play about a thousand songs and tunes on a regular basis while busking. i get bored otherwise. i trotted out my best pieces when i thought someone was really paying attention but i tried to do everything i know before repeating, except as siad whn they to really show off for the prospect of cash--or requests.

now regulation cuts both ways. its nice to have licences to cut down the competition. its awfull to see terrible acts making a few bucks an hour on a spot where i could make fifty an hour on a good dayz9more at christmas) on the other hand when i played in places with no regulation its nice to not have to deal with the bureaucrats. they have no understanding or sympathy with buskers and you have to brown nose them.

part of busking long term is to be able to roll with all the awfull punches and not get upset nor retaliate.

i don't use amps but i do sumpathize with classical guitarists and piano players who really do need them.

as regulations go those are pretty tame/


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Subject: RE: Dublin sets buskers minimum standards
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Aug 12 - 10:41 PM

I'd like to know specifics about Dublin's restrictions on amplifiers. I will agree that the amplifiers were a bit much on Grafton Street, since there were so many buskers there.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Dublin sets buskers minimum standards
From: alanabit
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 03:06 AM

I think that it is important to have some regulation of the power of amplification if buskers are not behaving sensibly. Over amplification effectively shuts down the street for fellow buskers too - which is outright selfishness. Ideally, buskers should regulate themselves. However, when this is not happening, I have no problem with a fair set of rules. Any busker should know twenty songs or twenty different pieces. The worst places to play are those which are overplayed by very poor (and sometimes loud) acts. Places where the public expect the entertainment to be good are a pleasure to work in.


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