porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed

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From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 02:59 PM

Another great article, Bobad.

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 01:35 PM

the legitimate government that came to power in a military coup?

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: bobad
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 12:01 PM

Pakistan's former ambassador to the US, Husain Haqqani on Islam's "outrage industry": Muslim Rage Is About Politics, Not Religion

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,giovanni
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 03:10 AM

There is no rule of law in Libya any longer.

Surely you remember - the legitimate government was ousted last year by some outsiders bombing them while they were trying to put down an unlawful revolution.

g

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: LadyJean
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 05:35 PM

The film's producer is, apparently, wanted on some federal bad check charges, so his film making career may be on hold for a while.

Several of the actors in the fimlm are suing him. Apparently he gave them a different scrip, then dubbed over the dialog.

Finally, I wish somebody would understand that making a fuss only makes it worse.

Thirty people would have seen The Innocence of Muslims, if it hadn't been for the riots. The rest of us would be watching cat videos.

The Fatwa made Rushdie's book a best seller.

Jerry Fallwell sued Larry Flint for a truly vile parody that Flint published in his magazine. I know it's vile, because, thanks to the suit, I got to read the contents. If Fallwell hadn't sued, I wouldn't know thing one about the parody, because "Hustler" makes me want to take a bath.

And by the way Fallwell lost the suit.

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 12:21 PM

That's a great article, bobad! Thanks for posting it. It gives some new perspectives on the Rushdie debacle. His responses to comments are really interesting, as well. He says:


"The political sphere has in recent decades become hollowed out and ideological divides have been all but erased. As the politics of ideology has given way to the politics of identity, so social solidarity has come increasingly to be defined not in political terms – as collective action in pursuit of certain political ideals – but in terms of culture. And increasingly, as the political has eroded, so faith has come to be an anchor for cultural identity."

That's an insight that goes well beyond Islam, and extends to the Red
State/Blue State divisions in the US.

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: bobad
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 08:46 AM

THE MYTHS OF MUSLIM RAGE

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 10:58 AM

Hey Charley!..Lookie what I found on another thread running next to this one:

Subject: BS: the petro dollar
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 09:33 AM

(You should read his post in it's entirety, but I'm just posting this conclusion, from his post)

"1. GET THE FACTS

Critical thinking and common sense are in decline these days. Rather than just swallow what we're fed by the mainstream media, we need to question it. Most people are just unaware that 90% of all American media is controlled by six global conglomerates that also hold assets in the military complex and oil industry, and are interconnected with major banking interests."


Now of course, Bobert (and some other blind ideologues) don't think these same people don't control or influence the Democratic Party....but that's just another sink to get unclogged!

Me?...Fuck em'....The truth can be told in music, in a way that everybody gets the message, and it has NOTHING to do with 'Right or Left wing-nuts'...
...but that too, is another story.

GfS

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 10:55 AM

Which uprising?

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 10:45 AM

Charley Noble: "All of the above?"

Funny you should say that....Are you insinuating that this whole thing is orchestrated??

Now for the $64,000 question..by who?..and to what end? (even though that is technically two questions).....

GfS

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 10:09 AM

GfS-

But whose "cover-up"?

The Ansar al-Sharia militia?

The Gadaffi loyalists?

Hillary Clinton and the State Department?

The Libyan Government?

The CIA?

Coptic Christians?

Israelis?

All of the above?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Sep 12 - 01:02 AM

Was anyone reading??????
Score ANOTHER RIGHT ON CALL from GfS:

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 09:17 AM

The film was a cover-up of the REAL reasons for the uprisings.
This will come out even more than it has already....you'll see!

GfS

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 22 Sep 12 - 06:47 PM

""Yes, the militia opposed Gadaffi. Akenaton was saying that the people who burned the militia's compound were Gadaffi loyalists""

Hardly likely, as thepeople who stormed the Militia compounds were a mixture of civilian protesters and police.

One of them remarked to a BBC journalists "They (the Militias) are not going to take away the freedom we gave our blood for."

Don T.

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Sep 12 - 03:59 PM

"I gather most were Gadaffi loyalists."

Which "most", aken? (Sources for "I gather", please)

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Sep 12 - 03:42 PM

Tony-

You're a whole lot better than I at reading akenaton's tea leaves. That would be a more consistent interpretation.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Tony
Date: 22 Sep 12 - 02:52 PM

Yes, the militia opposed Gadaffi. Akenaton was saying that the people who burned the militia's compound were Gadaffi loyalists, perhaps implying that they did it more in revenge for Gadaffi's overthrow than for bombing the US consulate, or that if Gadaffi hadn't been overthrown Ambassador Stevens might still be alive (reflecting his earlier post about Gadaffi controlling the worst excesses of Muslim fundamentalism).

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Sep 12 - 02:30 PM

Lighter-

Interest update; it overlaps with the Al Jazeera report but provides a little more information.

I'm not sure that I agree with akenaton assessment:

"I gather most were Gadaffi loyalists."

Most reporters concluded that the Ansar al-Sharia militia opposed Gadaffi.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 22 Sep 12 - 02:17 PM

The latest:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49127095#.UF3_842PUlo

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Sep 12 - 11:34 AM

I gather most were Gadaffi loyalists.

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Sep 12 - 09:43 AM

"Crowds force Ansar al-Sharia, suspected of playing a role in US ambassador's death, to vacate its compounds in the city."

Here's a link to a more detailed summary by Al Jazeera of the demonstrations yesterday in Benghazi which led to the eviction of the Ansar al-Sharia militia forces from their headquarters: click here for report!

Like many protest events in the world, this one requires some homework to fully understand. But it was not good news for the resident Islamic militants.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Sep 12 - 11:44 PM

akenaton-

Dictators like Saddam and Gaddafi served a purpose in controlling the worst excesses of muslim fundamentalism, we have blindly helped bring these madmen to power in the idiotic belief that they would be converted to our tool of choice "democracy"

You're entitled to your pessimism or your critical realism, whatever you want to call it.

I like the peaceful demonstrations in Benghazi that took place today, where thousands marched on the militant Islamic compound and forced them to flee. You probably didn't hear about that.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Sep 12 - 06:38 PM

I have little faith in any form of democracy...."The People" is a beast of muddy brain.

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Tony
Date: 21 Sep 12 - 06:30 PM

Right, democracy! That's what we want for the Mideast. Real democracy like in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait and U.A.E. And not just some sham populist democracy like when the Iranians elected Mosaddegh.

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Sep 12 - 05:04 PM

Of course a see the point you make ,guest and Bobert, but I believe the collision of two cultures is inevitable.
I see the faults in Western society only too clearly, and am probably closer to Islamic culture,if looking to the very long term, but we must not be blinded to evil by our personal ideologies.

Dictators like Saddam and Gaddafi served a purpose in controlling the worst excesses of muslim fundamentalism, we have blindly helped bring these madmen to power in the idiotic belief that they would be converted to our tool of choice "democracy"

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Sep 12 - 04:38 PM

Ain't about apologizin', Ake, ol' buddy...

It's about fucked up colonialistic foreign policies... We should quit trying to steal other people stuff...

B~

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 21 Sep 12 - 04:25 PM

True, but ads like this only create more fury and more terrorists.

If the signs just said, "Support Israel" (as they did years ago), controversy would be limited. But slamming Iranians and/or Palestinians as "savages" is not intended to solve anything, particularly in a city with lots of Iranian and Palestinian immigrants, sane and law-abiding as all but a few are.

The signs are about war, but at the moment there is no war: there are periodic atrocious acts by, as you say, "seriously deranged lunatics."

The signs aren't specific, but they seem to urge a full-scale Israeli war on Iran with some level of U.S. participation.

It's not something to look forward to, no matter which of the four countries one might be in.

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Sep 12 - 04:22 PM

"Apologists"?

"anyone who strapped on a suicide belt to kill and maim innocent people, would be regarded as a seriously deranged lunatic......regardless of their religious or political views."

Seems like a reasonable statement to me.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Sep 12 - 03:59 PM

Sorry you apologists, by where I live anyone who strapped on a suicide belt to kill and maim innocent people, would be regarded as a seriously deranged lunatic......regardless of their religious or political views.

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Tony
Date: 21 Sep 12 - 03:57 PM

The Pam Geller who placed those subway ads is the same one who probably financed the porn film we've been discussing (as pointed out in the Antiwar.com article I mentioned earlier).

She's representing herself as trying to help the Israeli cause, but I think that makes no more sense than the idea that Nakoula is helping the Copts. Just inciting more terrorism, to the detriment of both groups.

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 21 Sep 12 - 03:34 PM

And the beat goes on:


http://news.yahoo.com/anti-jihad-savage-ads-going-nyc-subway-220228596.html

Are equally inflammatory pro-Palestinian and pro-Iranian ad campaigns on the way? How did we get along for so many decades without this stuff?

Would such posters be considered "hate speech" in Canada or the UK?

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 21 Sep 12 - 12:55 PM

Thanks for posting that link, Charlie. It provides some useful insights. Particular into the motives of the "protestors" and into much overlooked response to them non-militants.

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Sep 12 - 12:19 PM

2 significant developments

1 Obama and H. Clinton aooear side by side in commercials throughout Pakistan explaing that the video has absokutely nothing to do with the US goverment. This act of mass video diplomacy is new but in my opinion overdue.


2 One of the terrorist killers in the Bengazi embassy attacks turns out to be a former GITMO prisoner that was released during the Bush administration.

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Sep 12 - 11:59 AM

Here's a link to a new Al Jazeera report "Cairo, Benghazi and Beyond: Beware the false fury" that analyzes the origins of the now infamous video clip, and speculates of the motives of its producers: click here for report!

This is one of the reasons I like to review Al Jarzeera every day. I don't necessarily agree with everything they say but they add perspective on international issues and sometimes they really provide excellent insight.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Sep 12 - 02:57 AM

After violent protests yesterday, Pakistan has declared a national holiday today so everyone can have a go.

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 20 Sep 12 - 11:39 PM

Here's the article I read:Hollywood Reporter "Innocence of Muslims"

I've also tried to watch a few of the YouTube clips that claim to be the full movie, and I think people are editing their own versions, using the 13 minute clip as a centerpiece. Again, that film is unbelievably bad. So bad that people will want to act it out at parties.

In one scene, a man dressed as some sort of doctor writes out an equation on a marker board and says, "Islamic Terrorism plus "x" equals man. Man minus Islamic Terrorism equals X".

His daughter asks the inevitable question,"What is "X"?"

To which the doctor replies, "You'll have to figure that out for yourself."


Which is where we all are on this...

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Tony
Date: 20 Sep 12 - 08:16 PM

quote: Some sources claim that the "full length" version of the film was just the short clip, repeated.

That's very interesting, and bizarre. Where did you see that?

Nakoula has made statements. Most of it has been shown to be lies, and all of it is as offensive as the film itself.

He's supposed to be in hiding for fear of being killed. That part may be true.

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 20 Sep 12 - 03:47 PM

Some sources claim that the "full length" version of the film was just the short clip, repeated. No one seems to have seen whatever was shown. I am curious about the fact that law enforcement seem to be shielding Nakoula from the press. Given that he has not been charged with anything, and there seem not to be discussions about charging him with anything, it seems a bit strange that he has not attempted to straighten things out by making a statement of any sort.

And then,there is the question as to whether our information about the issues and motives of the rioters/protesters is accurate. As you say, everything is highly suspect.

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Tony
Date: 20 Sep 12 - 09:07 AM

When I looked for the Vine theater I found this article and photo.

It was an AP reporter who called the Vine. Googling the phrase about it turns up lots of papers that ran it. So I think it's probably reliable that the Vine at least claimed to have shown the movie for a day. But everything else about this story is highly suspect.

And now France is closing embassies and schools in 20 countries rather than restrict the "freedom" of Charlie Hebdo cartoons. No mention of the freedom of Muslim girls in France to wear head scarves if they choose.

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 19 Sep 12 - 10:34 PM

If you look for "the Vine Theater, a faded Hollywood movie house", you will find, instead, The Ricardo Montalban Theatre, a historical legitimate theatre that has been architecturally restored and upgraded to a state of the art theatrical facility. What, if anything, was shown there, has not been established.   

One of the links above had a link to the actual video, which is even more ludicrous than anyone has described. Which makes things even more puzzling, because it is impossible to imagine that anyone could mistake it for a real movie. It is lame even by YouTube standards, so what is really going on?

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Tony
Date: 19 Sep 12 - 10:50 AM

Maybe not. The 14 minute video serves the purpose that everyone involved said they intended. But there was a report that
the Vine Theater, a faded Hollywood movie house, confirmed that the film had run for a least a day, and possibly longer, several months ago, arranged by a customer known as "Sam."

An article today on Antiwar.com gives reasons to think that funding for it may have come indirectly from Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, anti-Islam crusaders whose followers include Klein and Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik. They run the American Freedom Defense Initiative and Stop Islamization of America.

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Sep 12 - 10:16 AM

Lighter-

Good point. Possibly much ado about nothing. A tempest in a chamber pot. Do other analogies come to mind?

Too bad the video clip has been taken so seriously.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 19 Sep 12 - 09:30 AM

Does a complete film even exist?:

http://news.yahoo.com/anti-muslim-film-hoax-225533597.html

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 19 Sep 12 - 08:32 AM

French magazine publishes new anti-Muhammad cartoons:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hEql189f07mdaMJPS5SHELZDmbeA?docId=CNG.5d0929a97b73a9337932fa47a377d46b.311

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Sep 12 - 05:44 PM

"Rick's is in Casablanca. That's in Morocco, not Libya."

Close enough when we are talking about the death of a man who served in both places?

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Sep 12 - 05:42 PM

Rick's is in Casablanca. That's in Morocco, not Libya. Everybody comes there.

~M~

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: Charley Noble
Date: 17 Sep 12 - 08:29 PM

But only a still from the video. Story is of interest.

At least some Libyans tried to rescue the Ambassador.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 17 Sep 12 - 06:36 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/video-shows-libyans-trying-rescue-us-ambassador-194148880.html

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Sep 12 - 04:34 PM


"Sir Salman Rushdie" Has made a very good living and earned much acclaim for having been threatened and banned. I have certainly heard far more about his conflicts with Iran than his book. Which I gather is some sort of soft core porn with The Prophet of Islam at its center and a very disresptful title?

Sir Ahmed Salman Rushdie born 19 June 1947) is a British Indian novelist and essayist. His second novel, Midnight's Children (1981), won the Booker Prize in 1981. Much of his fiction is set on the Indian subcontinent. He is said to combine magical realism with historical fiction; his work is concerned with the many connections, disruptions and migrations between East and West.

Rushdie was appointed Commandeur de l'Ordre des Arts et des Lettres of France in January 1999.[3] In June 2007, Queen Elizabeth II knighted him for his services to literature.[4] In 2008, The Times ranked him thirteenth on its list of the fifty greatest British writers since 1945.[5]

Since 2000, Rushdie has "lived mostly near Union Square" in New York City.[6] In 2007 he began a five-year term as Distinguished Writer in Residence at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, where he has also deposited his archives.[7] In May 2008 he was elected a Foreign Honorary Member of the American Academy of Arts and Letters.[8]

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Sep 12 - 04:27 PM

I am shocked, simply shocked!! That the Libyan government would say that. I am also a little taken aback by the gambling at Rick's American Cafe.

Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Tony
Date: 17 Sep 12 - 03:18 PM

Oh, and speaking of 9/11, has anyone noticed the news reports today saying that the Libyan government warned the US government about the consulate attack 3 days before it happened?