BS: Huntin an fishin question

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: gnu
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 03:37 PM

"I don't see a way that this product might have been applied to produce the results suggested in this thread."

You ain't never been up country. Tho, you also said, "It is possible that water entering holes in a jar lid could start a carbide process that would build up pressure at a rate faster than the water could be blown back out, resulting in a rather powerful explosion."

Bob's yer uncle.

Now, there is also the "CIL Wobbler" made from CIL shotgun shells... I heard about it.

So, my bro asks Elgey how many TNT sticks they are suppose to use and he says, "I guess all of them. Dad didn't say." He should have. The roof leaked and the beaver dam was a thousand feet away. ONE stick woulda worked. I mean, if ya had SIX, why not try ONE first?

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 02:48 PM

The Wikipedia entry on slack lime gives slaked lime as an interchangeable or alternate common name. Both are hydrated (some water already incorporated) forms of calcium carbonate, that is considered quite safe in normal handling, and having no explosive properties or tendencies. It is safely used in making whitewash (paint) or plaster, and has been used in mortars for bricks but isn't particularly good for that.

It is used as a "floculent" to aid settling out of small particles, and as an "acid reducer" to minimize corrosion in some municipal water supplies.

It is a component in a number of food and cosmetic products, although the Wikipedia entry fails to mention its use in making "lime pickles."

It was used by some in "outhouse pits" and the belief persists that it facilitates the breakdown of the shit pit contents. This, however, has been verified as being a "mythic belief" as "liming" the pit actually preserves the contents of the pit. It does "buffer" the acidity of the contents and reduces the emission of "odorous gases."

I don't see a way that this product might have been applied to produce the results suggested in this thread. A sufficient quantity of lime could raise the pH of the water sufficiently to be harmful to a few fish, but even this effect would be questionable.

An alternate product that was fairly commonly available in the time frame suggested could have been "carbide." Calcium carbide reacts with water to produce ethylene gas (C2H4), and it was used (rarely?) for generating "lantern gas" or "stove gas." Industrially, large generators capable of producing "carbide gas" in large volumes were used in "welding shops" since the ethylene is what is now called acetylene.

Ethylene gas has the property that it will detonate if confined at pressures above a couple of hundred psi. In modern usage, it is always dissolved in a small amount of acetone retained in a porous charcoal filler in the higher pressure tanks in which it is stored, transported, and used for welding. In solution with the acetone it remains inert up to the thousand or so psi at which "acetylene" is commercially available.

It is possible that water entering holes in a jar lid could start a carbide process that would build up pressure at a rate faster than the water could be blown back out, resulting in a rather powerful explosion.

In the 1920s, IIRC, the Trailways bus line had a maintenance shop at Kip, Kansas, capable of containing 6 buses with adequate surrounding work spaces. The shop had a "carbide generator" consisted of a six foot diameter cast iron dome that was "floated" in a tank of water by the gas pressure in the dome. Carbide "rocks" were fed into the water to maintain the generated gas at a nominal and safe pressure.

One day, the dome stuck, and the pressure began to rise.

The only applicable response was well known by all those working there:

     RUN LIKE HELL!!!!

There has never been a Trailways maintenance shop in Kip since that day - or any visible remains of the previous shop requiring picking up the pieces, according to a former father-in-law who ran with the rest of the shop people (and axxording to him, faster than some).

John

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 02:38 PM

And there's so little on the buggers to eat....

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: gnu
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 02:38 PM

We Kent County lads keep OUR knives sharp, Kendall. Ya can't trim the fat off a fly steak properly without a sharp knife.

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: kendall
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 02:25 PM

I had to give up fly fishing, they are too hard to clean.

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: gnu
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 07:54 PM

Jack buddy! Ere ye colour blind like me? It's black over silver just like the last one... good story about that. But, yeah it's pretty... toooo fancy fer me but ya can't buy nothin else these days. My first truck? I could work on the engine on a rainy day. Just put a lawn chair in and close the hood. Now, I can't shove my foreskin anywhere in this rig let alone get a proper tool. Had to give up my toolbox fer a credit card. And this one gets a lot WORSE gas mileage than my old straight six. Fuckin shameful.

Oh... now I gotta story about me trucks. My back is so bad I can't get up country ta put some Kent County Racin Stripes on er but all my previous trucks were taken ta Kent County as soon as they were mine and driven at speed into the pines and alders so I never had to worry about scratchin em ANY more. One such instance involved a drop of London Dock and seatbelts... good story... I looks at me buddy, downs er an says nuthin but I nodded when I did up my seat belt. After that, scratchin took place. Did I mention I am a good ol Kent County Boy? After all, it's a truck, right?

Yes, I am... was... a bit wild. I thought yas knew that.

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 06:58 PM

On your picture page. Blue F150.

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: gnu
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 06:35 PM

JtS... huh???

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 06:04 PM

Nice looking truck Gnu!

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 05:51 PM

From: gnu - PM
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 09:54 PM

Yes, Decker, but I live in Canada and we can't buy TNT at the corner store. I LIVE IN IRELAND AND I CANT BUY TNT EITHER.
If I could I would nae waste it on fish, are you there scutcher, jack campin, steve so shaw hes always right

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: olddude
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 04:50 PM

yup they are running now, as soon as I get over this head cold I am at the creek. If you look at the web pictures and see that small stream where they are holding the big steelheads, that is a mile from my house. I can walk there .. the big steelheads come in to feed on the coho and king's spawn and follow them up. Right now the creeks are full of them. The steelhead spawn in the spring, that's when I showed you the big guys I got last year

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: gnu
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 04:43 PM

You got coho and king down there, Dan???

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 11:01 AM

grab yer pole come down and I will show you some steelhead fishing along with some coho salmon and some king salmon also .. we got em all

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 10:31 AM

Here is some lake Erie steelheads for ya
steelheads

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 10:26 AM

PDQ steelhead were stocked in Lake Erie over 40 years ago. We get one hell of a run and if you saw any of my pictures of the big bastards I caught you would know that

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 09:05 AM

MY family would NEVER use lime! Nossir! We stick to traditional methods: electric shock, explosives (including, but not limited to, hand grenades and dynamite), rotenone and other fish poisons, seining, and fish traps (to mention but a few).

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 06:31 AM

On a bad day fishin' is just drowning maggots...but slack lime explosions sound like much more fun!

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: gnu
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 10:28 PM

I was gonna tell a story but after readin JiK's I forgot what the heck it was.

Now... THAT's the shit I am talkin bout!

Oh, yeah... I remember... Labrador! I could tell ya a half dozen stories about this fishin trip. I was there workin construction with two of the best lads I ever had the pleasure of knowing, God rest their souls, Reggie and Douggie.

Gee... I got even better huntin stories about them lads.

Maybe another day. I dunno if the readership can handle another one today. Thanks, JiK. I enjoyed every word.

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: pdq
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 10:14 PM

"Nothing more fun then a big steelhead on a fly rod."

Does that mean you have fished in the state of California?

I am resonably sure that steelhead are not found near Buffalo, New York.

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 09:49 PM

Do you guys get that advert as well?

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 08:24 PM

You folks have OBVIOUSLY never fished Idaho. Just a couple weeks ago I put a minnow fish on a hook and caught some flies.

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 02:25 AM

We get a weird advert over here from America. This bloke has a little tiny rod that he hangs from his belt, and he catches dozens of fish with some very unlikely loking lures.


I must say, it provides an interesting insight into the way you go about fishing over there. I love your American fish - so cooperative! Its a great piece of television - ideal for practising your guitar to - very relaxing. And sometimes they show it twice.

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 01:47 AM

Fishin' in Kansas has been purty much ruint by the fish & game guys who've decided several decades ago that they needed to stock "game fish" in all the lakes so that the sissy boys can have somethin' they can catch with their 300 HP bass boats, and fancy lures and stuff.

While the few millions of dollars they weasel out of the fancy-assed sissies is probably good for the economy, the artificially stocked "bully fish" haven't been particularly good for the native fish.

No true Kansas good-ole-boy would particularly feel the need to participate in stalking anything but the native catfish, even if the ones still around are a puny charicature of what used to be here.

The "modern" record is something like 100 pounds, for a flathead, and the people who fish for "trophies" occasionally nudge the record up a few pounds at a time, but old tradin' post photos show several taken before the Corps of Engineers favored us with a lot of dams (creating more artificial lake surface in Kansas than anywhere else in the US).

There are a half dozen or so authentic old photos showing catfish longer that any of the men in the photo were tall - possibly as much as 400+ pounds - probably blues, although a couple might have been channels or flatheads. (Yeah, those were probably taken with dynamite, but they were here.)

A few of the g.o.b.s who specialize in tryin' to catch the big 'un still rumored to have been "seen" in a nearby lake called Lake Afton have developed a specific mode of fishin' that's downright pleasurable. They bait a "very large hook" (actually, technically, illegal here) with somethin' like a large jackrabbit (about 6 pounds) or maybe a full growed rooster, or a perhaps a baby piglet. Then they row out into the lake and drop the bait, attached of course to about a 1/8" or 3/16" aircraft cable for a line, and hook the line to the back bumper on the truck with the slide-in camper on it.

Then they crawl up into the camper and have a few. If the truck/camper shakes enough to spill the beer, they'd pull in the line and see if they got something; but so far they've all just run out of beer and had to go home to plan the next trip.

Now the stories about the "big-un" in that particular lake are sometimes questioned by doubters, but ca 1957 there was a "party" at that particular lake where the purty good ole' boys got a little rambunctious and let one of their pick-em-up trucks roll down the front of the dam into about 40 or 50 ft of lake. Since they all knew this other feller who'd bragged about being an ex Navy UDT commando, they rented him a scuba set and kinda badgered him into goin' down and hookin' a line on the pick-em-up so they could try to drag it out.

Well he went down, and he says he felt his way around (Kansas waters are all kinda murky) until he saw a sort of a shadowy object about the right size to be the truck. He swam up closer to it, and just about the time he got close enough to begin to make out some details with his submersible high-watt light, the shadow opened one eye and blinked at him.

The story told by the guys up on the lake bank was that he came out of the water "real fast" (and lost one of the scuba tanks on the way up, which of course they had to pay for) and he refused to go back in to finish the job.

He visited my dad at the shop three or four days after this event, and while he was a little reluctant to go into details, I talked a little to him personally, and can personally guaran-damn-tee ya that guy was NOT GONNA GET WET ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THAT LAKE EVER AGAIN.

(We did check for the pink elephants that sometimes followed this here fellow around, but they must'a been scared off when the thing winked and weren't there this time. And reports were that the guy stayed sober (a rare thing) until he quit shakin' 'bout three or four weeks later.)

Now those of us who fished for eatin' instead of for trophies generally preferred smaller catfish.

Bullheads generally are the best eatin' but rarely get over 3 or 4 pounds here; but the flavor's better because they generally only eat live stuff so they don't pick up the carrion flavor like some of the others. Unfortunatley, they're not too widespread and there are only a few places I ever found where you're likely to catch 'em. A 2 pound bullhead on light line will give you just as much fight as a 5 or 6 pound bass if you want to play with them a little.

Channel cats are more common in slightly larger sizes, and up to (rarely for the food fisher) 30 or 40 pounds are generally good eatin' if you hang the bigger ones up, kill 'em without too much excitement to work up a lot of adrenaline, and cut the tail off to bleed 'em out before you put 'em on ice. Most who just want a meal will prefer channels up to about 3 or 4 pounds, or only a little more, for the better flavor in the smaller ones.

Cat fish in general prefer live food, so minnows work pretty well and are probbly best for the big 'uns. The best bait for catching enough for a good breakfast is probably fairly large night crawlers, but since all Kansas waters have silt/mud bottoms the worms will burrow in and hide. A small hypodermic syringe, to blow an air bubble in the long end of the worm is the absolutely most essential piece of fishing equipment anyone goin' after pan sized catfish can have. It makes the tail float, so that even if the worm tries to "dig in" the tail looks like one of the common leeches waving at the fish saying "dinner is here."

Amateur wannabe g.o.b.s seem convinced that catfish bait has to stink, but these deluded people are the ones who catch all the turtles and get enough of them out of the streams and lakes for the good fish to survive for the people who know better.

The alternative for those who catch for eatin' here are the carp. Lots of people think they're too ugly to eat, but a 3 lb or larger carp, skinned and with the red "blood vein" cut out, is about the best there is. The loose bones that bother some people are exactly the same as are found in salmon and the meat is mild and tasty. (Better than frozen Sole, which is about the closest thing available in supermarkets here.) Fifteen minutes at 15 psi in a pressure cooker eliminates the "loose bone problem" and chilled carp is a good snack.

Carp aren't native here, but they're everywhere. They're almost exclusively vegetarian and although they'll sometimes take a worm the best bait is fresh corn on a tiny hook. (They "suck their food" rather than biting it, and have a very small mouth.)

They only non-edible fish here is the gar. They usually smell so bad it's hard to get close enough to get one off the hook, so I've thus far refused to see if anyone might have a recipe I could use. Fortunately they're very rare in most lakes and rivers.

Fly fishing in Kansas is rare, since there's little flowing water to drift a fly on. (Rivers here, since Colorado and Nebraska stole all the water, don't flow, they just sorta ooze downstream.) A few small impoundments have been stocked with some trout, but they don't survive our winters in sluggish water, so it's "shootin' into the barrel" to go fer 'em. Not my style.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: Deckman
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 12:05 AM

You know sumpin' ... in a couple of weeks, when my archiving project is finally finished ... I'M GOING FISHING! For the next month. Why ... I know a place ... out here in Snohomish County ... where there are SO MANY TROUTSES ... that they just jump on the bank and CLEAN THEMSELVES .... TRUE .... bob(deckman)nelson

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: gnu
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 11:19 PM

Fuck! I didn't know fishin was SO complicated. I was just makin an ol time joke about good ol boys an was hopin ye fellers might tell me one. I could use a laff eh? An there ain't just me... there's me, mois and Jimmy Suis... we all could use a laff... maybe ye fellers, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 10:18 PM

I think quick lime is the hazardous stuff. That's what was dumped in latrines. It reacts with water producing lots of heat but becomes slaked lime when the chemical action ceases.

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: Deckman
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 07:09 PM

I've heard both terms: "slack lime" and "slaked lime." My dim memory says the difference twixt the two was whether or not water was added yet? But that was a long time agao. I well remember that when I put water on top of the barrell of lime, I had to stand waaaay back. It would steam, hiss, boil, and scare the heck out of me.   bob

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: gnu
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 06:37 PM

Pete... somtimes slaked lime? Round here it's called slack lime. Ya chuck it in inside a glass jar with holes in the lid. BOOM. Pick up tha fish downstream.

Grenade? My bro told me a story that ended up with my old man (weapons instructor in the RCAF was part of his duties) yelling, "GET IN THE CAR! GET IN THE CAR NOW!" They didn't get any fish... fuck all left of the fish.

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: Gurney
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 05:31 PM

Yeah, Deckman, it glues bricks together for a while.....
Some years ago I was working in a 100y.o. building that was built with lime mortar. The bricks were fine. The mortar was more like sand.

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: Deckman
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 09:56 AM

When I was a critter, 100 years ago, I used to pick up 55 gallon drums of "slack lime." Lime was used by masons as a key ingrediant in making mortor, which glues bricks together. After delivering it to the job site, I got the pleasure of hand mixing the lime with cement, other stuff, and water.

"Slack Lime" was/is an extremely powerful material. If you put your hand in the lime barrell, within a short period of time, your flesh was all gone. Pioneers used to use it to throw in the bottom of out houses to dissolve human waste. Early killers, when slack lime was very available and cheap, used it to dispose of their victums. bob(deckman)nelson

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 07:26 AM

You're gonna have to educate me here, gnu, cos a google search for "slack lime" comes up with stuff that don't appear to be harmful. What is "slack lime" in your book? Pete.

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 05:34 AM

electro fishin, a cattle prod and you can get em on in one jolt

bobster, naw caught more bass on a fly then any live bait :-) Crappies love a fly too ... and yup best eatin fish there is except walleyes and yellow perch

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 11:51 PM

N.B.er goes into a store and says, I want 10 sticks of dynamite and 10 detonators....

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: MarkS
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 11:40 PM

Best of all is a hand grenade. Seen that done years ago when I was in the army.
Just make sure the water is deep and you toss it a good ways away from where you are standing.
It was called, "Fishin with frags."

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: gnu
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 11:01 PM

Sayyyy... what's by youse fer yer fav fish? I adore Atlantic Salmon, speckled and sea run trout fer reds and my fav white is haddock which I bread (bread crumbs ONLY) and fry in canola oil.

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 10:55 PM

Heck, yeah, gn-ze... You bring whoever you want... We all go out and fill the boat with crappie and have us a feast... Good eatin' fish... Bass is like eatin' cat food... Crappie is like eatin' fillet minion...

Sho nuff is...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: gnu
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 10:47 PM

Sounds like a good deal, Bobert. I'd like to take some crappies on the water with you someday too.

Can I bring a buddy? (Ya gotta read the Colorado thread ta get that one. Probably not as funny ass backwars, tho.)

September here is harvest month so not much fishin fer supper on the go up country these days.

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 10:31 PM

Me??? I gotta a jon-boat... I go out an' throw a minnow on a bobber and reel in eat-able supper: crappie... You stick 'um in a cooler, bring 'um home, clean 'um and stick 'um in the pan... You can spend $8.00 a pound and not eat as good...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: gnu
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 10:12 PM

Bobert... I put the image of a Main Sou'west Green Machine fly in my forehead one day on a stiff gust. No big deal. It happens to novices. Just not usually in front of Ted Williams and another amazing fly caster of TV and movie fame. I used to fish from a spot across from William's property on the Main Sou'west Miramichi.

Ted gave me some words of wisdom that day... to the effect of that when he did something embarrassing like that he didn't say anything and pulled his cap down to cover his face and got out of site.

I sat on the bank for a while. And learned how to cast fly in windy weather.

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: gnu
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 09:54 PM

Yes, Decker, but I live in Canada and we can't buy TNT at the corner store.

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: Deckman
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 09:34 PM

I always found a stick of dynamite more effective than slack lime ... the water dilutes slack lime too much. bob(deckman)nelson

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 09:27 PM

Just be sure you don't hook yer ownself, gn-ze... That's right embarrassin'...

B:~)

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: gnu
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 09:21 PM

Slack lime works all the time.

No way I am gettin serious on a joke thread.

Unless ya reel me into it.

Oooohhhh myyyy... I am crackin myself up tonight!

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 09:16 PM

Fly fishin' is for top feeders... Trout are such... Bass??? Not so much...

Depends on what you are trying to catch...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 09:03 PM

Very simple. A fish will take a fly over any bait there is. Don't care if it is a worm, egg, minnow a fish will take a fly over any of them. It is in their nature to do so and its a lot more skill and a heck of a lot more fun. I caught fish on a fly where others were baiting and didn't get a bite and I would limit out. No contest, fly vs bait

Nothing more fun then a big steelhead on a fly rod

Subject: BS: Huntin an fishin question
From: gnu
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 08:19 PM

I used to be a hunter (nevermind that debate... lots of other threads). And I killed with a gun mostly (ditto, fer GOSH sakes eh?). It's an agreed responsibilty to put in the work required to dispatch any game without any stress... to do whatever you can to ensure this. It's simple respect (yes, I did respect them... read the LAST aside).

So... why is it that when I used to fish I fly fished? Instead of using slack lime like my forefathers did?

Yeah... hehehehee... I thought it was a good one too. Just made it up just now. Haven't even copywrighted it yet! But, it's here in writing so it's mine. And I sue at the drop of a cord.

Ye anti-huntin/fishin/bacon&eggs crowd might not get that but will definitely be offended by it I am sure. I don't care. I wasn't talkin ta ye fellers.