BS: Canada - Most Educated Country

Subject: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: bobad
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 08:19 AM

The OECD provided information on the percentage of residents aged 25 to 64 with a tertiary education for each of its 34 member countries, as well as for eight other nations. 2010 statistics on educational attainment, graduation rates, GDP per capita and unemployment rates also were provided by the OECD. The latest figures covering country-level education expenditure are from 2009.

These are the most educated countries in the world.

1.Canada
2.Israel
3.Japan
4.United States
5.New Zealand

http://bottomline.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/24/14012068-the-most-educated-countries-in-the-world?lite

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Ed T
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 10:01 AM

Did that include the "good old boys" from Kent County NB, that gnu sometimes makes reference to?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: bobad
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 10:43 AM

Our "good ol' boys" here (SDG County, Eastern Ontario) can give anybody's a run for their money.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 11:13 AM

I am so flippin' proud! We're Number 1, eh?

- Shane

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Ed T
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 12:00 PM

No, it only incuded humans.

Other species and human-like species were not included in the fingers (oops, I mean figures).

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Ed T
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 12:19 PM

She's a good country, ain't-she-wha?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 02:26 PM

Shane is human, Ed...technically speaking. He is an almost perfect example of Hoserus Canadiensis...primitive humanoids found inhabiting small towns and rural areas across Canada. They can be recognized by their plumage (plaid jackets, old work boots, ripped jeans, cruddy old baseball caps worn backwards), their odor (powerful!), and their common utterances, such as "Where's the beer?"

Are they well educated? Ummm....well, it depends on what you mean by an "education". Everyone is well-informed about something.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 04:36 PM

OK, I gotta ask: If Canada is so educated, how the heck did we end up with The Hair?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: GUEST,999
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 04:36 PM

Dang. That were me.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 04:56 PM

We ended up with him because of the silly way we count votes (first past the post) in a multi-party system. He did NOT get anything close to a majority of the popular vote. More people voted against him than for him.

Put it this way: suppose we once again divided the Conservative Party (and the people who normally vote for them) into 2 separate parties, as was the case for awhile with Reform and the PCs. Do you think either one of those parties would have the ghost of a chance of winning a national election and forming the next government?

But the people who vote against the conservative agenda in this country ARE divided into 3 separate parties: Liberals, NDP, and Green Party. And that is the only reason that Mr Harper got elected. His election does NOT represent the will of the majority.

(I left Quebec out of the above equation, BTW, because they're a wild card. The same rules that apply to the rest of Canada do not apply to Quebec.)

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 05:38 PM

Put another way, the Conservatives got 40% and the leftwing NDP 31% in 2011. The Liberals got 19%, their policies somewhere in between.
Split that Liberal vote, and Conservatives get 50% and the NDP 40%; showing that the country as a whole is conservative in its views.

All this is digression; equating level of education to red or blue on the political spectrum is problematical; most professionals and the well-to-do would be conservative.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: gnu
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 06:05 PM

"She's a good country, ain't-she-wha?" She used to be back in the day when good ol boys from Kent County like me, born of poor Irsh and French immigrants, could earn an education to the highest levels through hard work and dedication without...

Oh, fuck it... I am so pissed that it costs so much for an education above high school these days. It ain't right and it's all about $$$ that get paid to foreign bank accounts of politicians who perpetuate the subjugation of the poor for the benefit of the rich... it's fuckin sick because it's only gonna lead to war and strife. Read a fuckin newspaper if ya disagree.

Right, hmmmm... if you apply life cycle cost-benefit analysis to education it becomes clear that EVEN free education pays off BIG time. Those that don't believe that can look at the labels on the stuff they bought today and see where it was produced. Unless you live in China. And, if you tell me that them there Chinese ain't got education right then how come there are so fuckin MANY of them? They gotta be doin somethin right eh?

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ANYbody who does not believe in FREE, ABSOLUTELY FUCKIN FREE EDUCATION, is shooting themselves in the foot... cutting off their nose to spite their face... stunned as me arse.

Except for the rich who understand that to subjugate the poor they must keep the poor uneducated... and hungry... and scared.

They are doin a good job aren't they? The fuckers!

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Ed T
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 06:14 PM

Stale bread drift?

Do I understand correctly, that this "education" report wasn't reporting what happened over the past year or so? Did the original thread not note that the figures are for 2009 and 2010? If so, they had to reflect what happened quite a few years before that-unless they were reporting on people who attained the level of grade two or three?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Ed T
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 06:38 PM

Aood read on the differences in education accross Canada. This is geared to Atlantic Canada, where AIMS has a focus-But, it provides fruit for thought more broadly, as some of their report cards on education in various provinces does also. There is good reason to take a closer outside look at education, beyond the self interests and bias of the educators and the various provincial "education corporations".

Exerp:""Canada does not deliver education, the provinces do. And, as anyone who has moved between provinces can attest, school in one province often bears little resemblance to what is available in the next province over. If you look past the false bluster and consider the actual results on international tests, these differences become all too obvious....""

Should we pat ourselves on the back?


Canada does not deliver education-Provinces do

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 08:15 PM

Education costs must include living costs to be realistic, and this can vary greatly. Some cities (Vancouver, home of UBC) are expensive, and student-affordable room and board is higher than for, say, the Maritimes of eastern Canada.

Arts and Humanities is cheaper than engineering- tuition costs vary within the same institution. Univ. Toronto range from $5300 to $9000.

Out-of-province students may pay four times as much tuition- the student wanting a certain program (Marine sciences at UBC for a student from Saskatchewan, for example) must pay heavily.

Some disciplines require post-graduate study. Not enough scholarships to go around.

Average tuition across Canada is in the $5000/year range for arts and humanities. Memorial in Newfoundland the cheapest at $2550.

I think education costs should be subsidized- the educated populace wins in more ways than one.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 08:26 PM

Costs in the U.S. vary from about $5000 to $40,000 at a few prestigious universities, e. g. Texas at c. $5000 (resident) to $54,000 (full year) at Massachusetts Institute of Technology (see their website- 65% of students receive financial aid).

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: gnu
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 09:35 PM

Train an engineer to do a good job designing and overseeing an infrastructure project and that engineer repays his education cost back to the public on ONE project. Train a doctor to save lives and... on and on.... and on...

If the Chinese can do the life cycle cost-benefit analyses on these basics and do the right thing and OWN the debt of the USA by doing so it behooves me to say... WTF?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 09:55 PM

All you have to do to see what happens to the conservative voting constituency in Canada is divide the Conservative Party into 2 parties, Q. That was the case during the years after Mulroney's exit when the Reform Party and the PC's existed and were competing for votes from pretty much the same part of the electorate. It guaranteed a long succession of Liberal governments.

Once they finally woke up and combined into a single party, they were soon able to take advantage of the public's weariness of that long succession of Liberal governments and get themselves elected...and they have controlled the situation ever since.

The NDP and the Liberals need to do the same thing Reform and the PCs did, and unite into a single party.

However, why am I even bothering to say this? I don't believe in political parties, period! ;-) I think they are the problem, not the solution. Nor do I believe in a parliamentary system that deliberately divides itself into a party "in power", an "official opposition", and several other parties who all fight against each other in parliament.

That's a divide-the-public system, it's a divide and conquer system, and it is the worst enemy a real democracy can have, in my opinion. Political parties exist primarily for their own perpetuation and enlargement, and that is why they inevitably become corrupt...usually in a very short time.

I'm in favour of parliamentary democracy, you bet! Just not in favour of the institutions termed "political parties". They do not serve, they obstruct. They are not necessary for a functioning democracy. They get massively in the way of conducting government sensibly. They exert undue influence on seated representatives through enforcing "party line". They are a bad, stupid, divisive idea that should never have happened in the first place, and I believe they will one day vanish just as deservedly as did the "Divine Right" of kings which preceded them.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 10:06 PM

I demand a recount!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 10:11 PM

Ah, well. Here in Alberta, we hope that the Conservatives will gain in strength and continue to set policy.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 10:15 PM

Yup. I know that's the situation in Alberta, Q. I've never been much in sympathy with Albertan political perspectives, but...(shrug)...that's the way she goes, eh? ;-) Alberta always seems like Texas North to me. Nice country to look at, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: gnu
Date: 01 Oct 12 - 10:40 PM

Well, I am affroted by that "western" mindset, Q. Atlantic Canada, Lower Canada and Upper Canada paved way for Western Canada for 200 years to golden by building the Seaway and canals and railroads and a lot of other infrastructure... with OUR natural resources. So when we hear, "Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.", we get a little pissd off. That's a little too "conservative" fer us folk Down Home.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 12:19 AM

Alberta belongs to Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Quebec and Ontario because we bought it from the Northwest Trading Company. Now if China wants to buy it they better damn well talk to us first because we are too educated to be suckered by petro dollars! :-}

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: meself
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 12:44 AM

"Here in Alberta, we hope that the Conservatives will gain in strength and continue to set policy."

You do not speak for all Albertans, friend Q.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 01:43 AM

Thank you for talking about Canada. It's a nice change.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Musket
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 05:27 AM

When I was in Vancouver a short while ago, I saw a T Shirt with

Canadian {noun} Unarmed American with Healthcare.

Possibly one of the best T shirts I had ever seen.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 08:07 AM

Speaking of Justin Trudeau, does William "Bible Bill" Aberhart have any kids or grandkids?

It may be time to bring back Alberta's former Social Credit party (which in 1935 took 56 of 63 seats in the legislature). It proposed one of Canada's first social policies, even though the government was broke. The proposal was to give $25 yearly (as a social credit) to each citizen, kinda like Canadian Tire does when it gives you back it's "funny money".

""Ah, well. Here in Alberta, we hope that the Conservatives will gain in strength and continue to set policy.""


A good question is, what level of impact does Alberta actually have on Canadian policy, with only 6 senators and 26 MPs in the national parliament. Heck, PEI has 4 senators:). To get more MPs one would have to increase the population-let's say, by bringing more easterners west-not for a few months for work, but as residents?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 10:36 AM

Money talks Ed, even in Canada.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 10:58 AM

I would sure love to live in a place (or a time) where it didn't...it would be a nice change.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 11:35 AM

"Money talks, and bullshit walks."

"It's easy to grin / When your ship comes in / And you've got the stock market beat. / But the man worthwhile, / Is the man who can smile, / When his shorts are too tight in the seat." quotes from movie "Caddyshack"


"You outwork, outthink, outscheme and outmanuever. You make no friends. You trust nobody. And you make damn sure you're the smartest guy in the room whenever the subject of money comes up." Quote from movie "Cocktail"

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 11:37 AM

Sounds like a life lived in hell to me, Ed.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 12:25 PM

"You outwork, outthink, outscheme and outmanuever. You make no friends. You trust nobody. And you make damn sure you're the smartest guy in the room whenever the subject of money comes up."

That was from the Brian Brown character wasn't it? The one that killed himself at the first sign of hardship?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 12:31 PM

More digression-
The Northwest Company and Hudson's Bay Company merged in 1821; at this time the corporation, based on good Scots conservative values, extended to the Arctic Ocean and the Pacific shores. The Company had been ceded to Great Britain by the Treaty of Utrecht. Its story following the formation of the Dominion has been up and down, but mostly down.
Now a part of the American (U.S.) holding company, NDRC.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 01:03 PM

JTS
The quote I believe was from Uncle Pat

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 03:36 PM

The mandate of the Hudson's Bay Company was to establish trading posts to exchange goods for furs. Since then they got uppity with fancy digs in big malls. I always wanted to take a smelly beaver skin into one of their stores and demand fair trade. That would "educate" them on a bit of history. :-}

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 06:27 PM

HBC's domain was "ten times the size of the Holy Roman Empire at its height" (Company of Adventurers, p. 3)

"During most of the half-century it ruled over this enormous domain, the Company's authority was supreme: it exercised nearly every mandate of a sovereign government."
(Caesars of the Wilderness, p. xx)

Described by John Buchan, who served as Governor-General of Canada in the late 1930s, "The [HBC] is not an ordinary commercial company, but a kind of kingdom by itself…" (Company of Adventurers, p. 3)

The HBC is "the oldest continuous capitalist corporation still in existence" (Company of Adventurers, p. 3)

""The HBC was renowned for "a commercial ruthlessness" (Caesars of the Wilderness, p. xvi)

"A corporation has no conscience. From a tyrant or a despot you may hope to win justice; from a robber you may perhaps receive kindness; but a corporation… represents to my mind more mercenary mendacity and more cowardly contempt of truth and fair play than can be found in the human race."
Capt. WF Butler, a military officer commented on his observations of working with the HBC. Source: Company of Adventurers, p. 613, Peter C. Newman, Penguin Books, Toronto, Ontario 1985

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: gnu
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 06:40 PM

And now Target is buyin em out and what stores they ain't buyin are bein closed. Of course, they still are supreme in the North... I think. Maybe even in southern AB on accounta them rich lads can afford the big prices.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 07:18 PM

"""they still are supreme in the North... I think. Maybe even in southern AB on accounta them rich lads can afford the big prices.""

And wearing those colourful Hudson Bay 4 point wool Capote winter coats to avoid freezing their rich AB asses off:)

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 07:57 PM

Don't see those old HB coats any more. I bought one when I came to Canada years ago. My daughter has it, used as a prop in a play.
HB still handles the 4 point blankets, I think, but heated blankets and central heating have taken over.

Holt Renfrew is the high end department store in Calgary. The one in Edmonton has a cafe that features a bread flown in from Paris.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: gnu
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 08:25 PM

A bread flown in from Paris? Next thing you'll be tellin us is that ye fellers got submarines in yer shoppin malls.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 08:33 PM

""bread flown in from Paris?""


Paris Texas, or Paris Ontario?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: gnu
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 08:53 PM

Or Paris bullshit? I mean, anyone can bake bread... or get their servants to bake it.

Sorry, Q. Uncalled for, I'll admit, but that shit about ye lads not sharing your resources with CANADA really pisses me off. United, WE stand. Divided, YOU fall. You'd just better hope I fall first on accounta if I land on you after gettin fucked over, I am gonna Gordie Howe yer ass. Harper is a nasty person. A monster in my books that doesn't care about people dying half way round the world for... oh, I gotta stop.

Oh my. I just cannot explain how much that Western mindset pisses me off. I mean... it JUST AIN'T RIGHT. I was raised to take care of others so that they might return the favour some day. That "I am okay Jack." shit just don't wash with this backwoods country boy... never will. If that is "conservative philosophy" I reject it. Just like Tommy and Pierre. THAT ain't Canada. If it has become that, I am moving to La Belle Province.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 09:03 PM

During World War II, W.C. Fields kept US $50,000 in Germany 'in case the little bastard wins'.


With that line of thinking, maybe we all should have small investment in Alberta, just in case it wins :)

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: gnu
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 09:08 PM

Hahahahahahaa! Now, THAT is a fookin doweastern bastard! Hilarious, ED!!! Heheheheheheeeee!

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 09:23 PM

We have given you a great leader, what more could you want?

You easterners can share our oil, but pay up front.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: gnu
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 09:37 PM

The puppet from AB? You SOB's did that?

Share YOUR oil? Buddy, YOUSE owe US. Did you read my last post?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: bobad
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 09:38 PM

"We have given you a great leader, what more could you want?"

Ha, ha, good one......love your sense of irony.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 09:53 PM

He's got pretty hair. He and Romney share that trait.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: GUEST,DrWord
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 12:43 AM

Check out the [newspeak alert] "Integrity Questionnaire" being handed to CBSA civil servants to complete 'voluntarily'. CBC.ca headline:
   
Canada Border Services Agency survey comprises 57 questions and 23 pages

I read the pdf.
Canux take note.

Dennis

Subject: RE: BS: Canada - Most Educated Country
From: GUEST,999
Date: 03 Oct 12 - 06:10 AM

We're beginning to get all the government we pay for. That's scary. The CBSA union has advised its members not to play the game.