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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: beardedbruce Date: 04 Oct 12 - 11:44 AM One has to wonder about how accurate ANYTHING Bobert says is... "From: Bobert - PM Date: 03 Oct 12 - 10:19 PM So much for equal time... Big Media has rigged this debate so that Romney got 60% of face time... Normal... I predicted this... B~" "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - During their 90-minute debate on Tuesday night, President Barack Obama talked four minutes longer than Republican challenger Mitt Romney. But when the debate was over, it was what Obama didn't say that defined the evening - and helped make it a good one for Romney." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Charley Noble Date: 04 Oct 12 - 11:40 AM I found it very frustrating to watch. There were many opportunities to nail Romney to the wall and Obama failed to do that. He was much too kind. Romney gets points for his style and his ability to shift his platform positions at will. No doubt his high donor supporters know that he truly has their interests at heart but some of his Tea Party supporters may now be confused where he stands. On to the Vice Presidential Debates! Charley Noble, on the road in the Lowlands of Old Virginia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: pdq Date: 04 Oct 12 - 11:29 AM "...Congress is as responsible for the budget, AND the debt as the President." Fine, but the last budget was passed on Jun 22, 2009 when the House, Senate and presidency were all three were controlled by Democrats. Republicans have only had the House and that started in January, 2011. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Henry Krinkle Date: 04 Oct 12 - 11:17 AM Oh Susannah, Don't you cry for me I'm going to play my banjo With Obama on my knee!!!! (:-( P)= |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Elmore Date: 04 Oct 12 - 10:48 AM I have an Obama sticker on my car. I thought Willard won. I have the blues. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Henry Krinkle Date: 04 Oct 12 - 10:17 AM After the economy crapped out during Nixon's reign, Jimmy Carter got blamed. And Congress wouldn't work with him either. Old tactic. (:-( ))= |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Richard Bridge Date: 04 Oct 12 - 10:17 AM That and 47% |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Jeri Date: 04 Oct 12 - 10:07 AM I think, based on what was said, it was a draw. BUT I think Romney scored a slight win simply because he didn't say anything stupid. There was one time when Obama went after Romney about where the money was gonna come from--the MATH) and the smarm started to crack, but he didn't pursue it long enough. The overtime stuff, which Romney started with the first question (and as John said, got a couple extra turns) and both candidates continued, drove me nuts. I kept wishing Lehrer could turn into Chris Matthews and just interrupt them and not back down. The one thing I wish President Obama had gotten across is that you can't work with people on the other side if they refuse to work with you, and that Congress is as responsible for the budget, AND the debt as the President. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: GUEST,999 Date: 04 Oct 12 - 08:57 AM "I don't have a TV. Remember? I accidentally pushed it over with my foot and broke it." Same here--but it wasn't accidental. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bobert Date: 04 Oct 12 - 08:14 AM Well, Romney fired off enough so-called facts to keep an army of fact checkers busy for the next week or two... Here's the ad I would write for Obama: The Voice: "With all the talking that Romney did during the debate what one thing do you remember him saying?" Then the picture focuses in on a guy rubbing his chin, not saying a thing and with a puzzled look on his face. B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Henry Krinkle Date: 04 Oct 12 - 06:19 AM I don't have a TV. Remember? I accidentally pushed it over with my foot and broke it. (:-( ))= |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Richard Bridge Date: 04 Oct 12 - 04:15 AM May I say, Ebbie, how nice it is to see someone use the word "refute" correctly? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: GUEST,999 Date: 04 Oct 12 - 04:07 AM Hi, John, good to see your post. Trust all's well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 04 Oct 12 - 01:24 AM I watched the debate; I wasn't going to but I did. The inmates ran the asylum, pretty much. I spent a few minutes at CNN's recap, and MSNBC's recap. To hear Carville and Matthews tell it, the president barely showed up. I'll get Conservative comments tomorrow. A few of things struck me: Romney seemed to always be looking at the president during Mr. Obama's orations, but he blinked an awful lot. Conversely, the president often was looking down (at his notes? his shoes?) when Romney spoke. I thought this very telling. Both debaters seemed to be able to run roughshod over Lehrer, resulting in the president getting to speak 4-5 min. longer than the challenger. Romney, however, did manage to get in an extra turn a couple of times as Lehrer tried to go forward. CNN had a crawl at the bottom of the screen which, I surmise, was tracking instantaneous reactions to the candidates as they spoke. It was broken down by sex (what most of you call gender). No matter the topic, Obama generally had higher approval from women than men, and Romney generally did better with men. I would give Romney an edge in tonight's fracas. But I don't think it was any sort of a knockout. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Oct 12 - 12:03 AM I think both candidates did quite well, but I doubt that either one changed many minds. I'd call it a tie. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Oct 12 - 11:28 PM "Don't you Yanks understand RULES? WTF was THAT? Not only were the debaters allowed to stray from the rules, the moderator interjected with specific questions directed at ONE debater? What? Really... what? And how does a moderator not ASK? Doesn't a moderater simlpy ASK without imposing HIS iterpretation?" What can I say Gnu. When you are right you are right. But Romney interrupted more and he interrupted first, so obviously President Obama won. :-) >>When the moderator paused during the introduction after begging decorum to allow the audience more than enough time to cheer Obama and they did not, AS ASKED NOT TO DO... it totally floored me.<< I am not sure what you are talking about here. He introduced them both. The audience enthusiastically cheered for both. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: gnu Date: 03 Oct 12 - 11:18 PM Rant time: Don't you Yanks understand RULES? WTF was THAT? Not only were the debaters allowed to stray from the rules, the moderator interjected with specific questions directed at ONE debater? What? Really... what? And how does a moderator not ASK? Doesn't a moderater simlpy ASK without imposing HIS iterpretation? I was disgusted. I was aghast before EITHER even spoke. When the moderator paused during the introduction after begging decorum to allow the audience more than enough time to cheer Obama and they did not, AS ASKED NOT TO DO... it totally floored me. I call that one a draw based purely on being a judge. That was a draw. My comment is based on how *I* perceive Yanks saw it - the general viewing public Yanks. However, again, you Yanks do not understand fair debate. That was a dog and pony show at best. Sad. Very sad. High school kids could have done a better job on all sides of the coinS. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Oct 12 - 11:15 PM I will say one thing. The Democrats will have a lot more clips for Ads. Because governor has again repudiated some of his previous platform plans. He hates redistribution but calls for it in his medicare plan. He is going to cut taxes on the three percent of small businesses but have them pay their share but cut taxes on the 97 % he is doing this to stimulate job growth but it is going to be offset by closing loopholes so how is it going to stimulate job growth? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Oct 12 - 11:09 PM "repeated statements that had earlier been dissected and refuted by Mr. Obama- and of course, those repeated statements were left to stand. " He won the coin toss. Them is the breaks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Oct 12 - 11:07 PM Romney scored some points twice with 90 billion for green energy. President Obama needs to explain the rational for that. Chuck Todd and Gregory must have watched a different debate from me. "Saying my plan is X" when the specific numbers in his plan is X-7 trillion does not mean that "he provided specific details." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Ebbie Date: 03 Oct 12 - 11:01 PM No question that both men came off well. To my mind, the president did better because he used a more reasoned approach- but I'm not so sure that Romney supporters would agree. Romney came across as more impassioned so maybe his dearth of details won't matter to those supporters. Neither man scored zingers- but I did resent that Romney in his allotted closing moments repeated statements that had earlier been dissected and refuted by Mr. Obama- and of course, those repeated statements were left to stand. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: GUEST,Stim Date: 03 Oct 12 - 10:59 PM If by "appear presidential", you mean that Romney was jumping around like Yosemite Sam, then you are right. I was amused that Romney wanted to eliminate PBS and Big Bird and then said something about letting the state run the programs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: GUEST,Ron Davies Date: 03 Oct 12 - 10:54 PM Romney even was allowed to appear "presidential"---exactly the opposite of what needed to happen. As I said, hope not many on the fence were swayed by this drivel. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: GUEST,Ron Davies Date: 03 Oct 12 - 10:48 PM So the NYT and Post may in fact declare a "win" for Romney. But it's not because of any imagined MM conspiracy--it's that Obama (and Lehrer) let smarmy Romney get away with murder. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: GUEST,Ron Davies Date: 03 Oct 12 - 10:44 PM Guess who. I must not have sent my e-mail to the right White House address---Obama did not take my advice--and paid for that omission |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: GUEST Date: 03 Oct 12 - 10:42 PM Missed opportunity by Obama. Not one mention of 47%. No attempt to rattle Romney, thus allowing him to come across not only as organized (with several lists of plans) but also as a reasonable person (albeit promising everything to everybody, with no hint of how to pay for it.). Romney at the end: I will (help) create 12 million new jobs. Totally meaningless statement. Question is how many gullible people now on the fence will believe it. Romney even came across with specific anecdotes of people he had met---thus picturing himself as a compassionate person as well as the voice of sweet reason. And no attempt by Obama to rebut this hogwash. Not good. Hope it does not change many minds. As they say, politics ain't beanbag. Obama was entirely too kind to Romney. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bobert Date: 03 Oct 12 - 10:42 PM I knew the way this was going down... Don't even pick a network.... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Oct 12 - 10:38 PM David Gregory has basically called so has Chuck Todd. Todd is saying he has provided details. Why didn't I hear any? Bobert. As far as NBC is concerned you were 1000% correct!! Name a detail Chuck!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bobert Date: 03 Oct 12 - 10:19 PM So much for equal time... Big Media has rigged this debate so that Romney got 60% of face time... Normal... I predicted this... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: GUEST,Ron Davies Date: 03 Oct 12 - 08:57 PM Guest was me. Big surprise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: GUEST Date: 03 Oct 12 - 08:56 PM Bobert-- I hope you speak another language than Meaningless Leftist Jargon. Sorry, it just ain't very enlightening. For starters, are the Washington Post and NYT part of "Big Media" or not? Just a simple yes or no will do; no tome necessary. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Oct 12 - 08:53 PM Me too. It would be quite an improvement. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Henry Krinkle Date: 03 Oct 12 - 08:50 PM I think it's all a pile of crap. They're competing for the opportunity to run up a big fat bill and stick taxpayers with the check. They all suck. Every last one of them. I hope Amerika is conquered by Iceland. (:-( ))= |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Oct 12 - 08:47 PM "Are you better off than 4 years ago?" In what respect? If I were to look at it from my own point of view...some things in my life are better...some things are not as good as they were then. It's a mixed picture. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bobert Date: 03 Oct 12 - 08:45 PM Just reporting history the way it went down, Krinkx... No whine, just fact... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Henry Krinkle Date: 03 Oct 12 - 08:42 PM There you go again, bobette. Whining because things aren't the way you want them to be. Buck up! Be a man! You're not always going to get your way. (:-( ))= |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bobert Date: 03 Oct 12 - 08:38 PM Like I said, Ron... Big Media pushed that Reagan response to Carter as if it was the Holy Grail... I watched that debate and I thought that Carter won the debate... Big Media didn't... The "Are you better off" part of the debate was not the hight light until Big Media decided that it was and pushed it... That's my problem with these debates... No one get a glimpse of these people's thinking... I mean, if they would just zero on "tax policy" and nothing else that would be a debate and at the end of the night the folks who watched it would better understand tax policy and the differences between the two... But that won't happen... The debates will bounce from one question that elicits sound-bite answers to the next... Not a debate at all... Just a beauty show where Big Media is the judge... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bill D Date: 03 Oct 12 - 08:30 PM *raising hand* Yes, I am! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: GUEST,Ron Davies Date: 03 Oct 12 - 07:14 PM "Are you better off than 4 years ago?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: GUEST,Ron Davies Date: 03 Oct 12 - 07:12 PM It's by no means clear that "Big Media" will declare a win for Romney. First we should define terms. "Big Media" is basically a meaningless yet emotionally-laden term. Does it include the Washington Post and NYT? Neither is likely to declare a win for Romney, for a whole host of reasons, most of which should be obvious. It would be nice--though unlikely on Mudcat, it seems--to have a rational debate about the debate (or most other political topics). It seems clear to me that what Obama and Romney say is probably not as important as the attitude which comes across to the viewer. In this regard, I'd say Obama has a real chance to "win" the debate. What he needs to do is make Romney appear whiny and petulant, hence not presidential. I know this can be done since it's been done to Romney already--by other Republicans in their debates. Best guess as to how to accomplish it: drop 47% in at every opportunity--not aggressively, just off the cuff. That number seems be achieving cosmic signficance in this election and sliding it into the conversation--in an offhand manner---is very likely to really wind Romney up---and the game could be over. It's also obvious what Romney is going to do: bring up the old question at every opportunity: "Are you better off now than 4 years ago. Obama has to be sure not to get rattled by this mantra--and to have a counter, perhaps pointing out that Republicans have blocked many of his economic initiatives. Ironically enough, Obama will not be able to mention the bedrock truth behind the economic situation: that no president has more than a tangential influence on economics. Neither the unemployed nor people who feel worse off than 4 years ago will accept this from a president. So what Obama needs to do is establish beyond doubt that he does identify with the pain people are going through, that he is working himself into the ground dealing with it --and that Romney has in fact written off about half the country. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Richard Bridge Date: 03 Oct 12 - 07:05 PM Now should I get up in the night and watch the debate? Apparently new polls are bad news for Obama (baffled as to why - and the Joe Biden "gaffe" is obviously a reference to the toxic legacy of Bush, and current Republican bill-blocking). If Romney gets in, kiss your arse goodbye - there will be armed uprisings in the USA and WWIII within a year - and an uninhabitable planet if not wiped out by nuclear war before then within 20. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bill D Date: 03 Oct 12 - 07:04 PM awww... Bobert... I'd like to think Jim Lehrer is clever enough to get more out of them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Oct 12 - 07:04 PM Obama flowchart Romney answers 1 ---------- But what about 2? 2----------- But what about 1? Repeat as needed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bobert Date: 03 Oct 12 - 06:59 PM I'm not worried, Jack... I very much believe that Obama is going to win... Take away Citizens United and Big Media he wins by 6 points... I fully expect Big Media to try to create news tonight and my gut feeling is that over the next month that margin will end up at 4 points... It's a shame... But, like I have said, the real shame is that the format does not leave to a policy discussion... It will end up a series of 2 minute commercial with shorter ones in between and in the final analysis won't reveal anything new... It's like a beauty contest... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bill D Date: 03 Oct 12 - 06:47 PM I think it will all depend on whether Romney answers questions about national issues with position 1---or 2--- or 3...or 3.167. I'm sure Obama has relevant replies to all of them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Oct 12 - 06:42 PM Robert Reich agrees with Bobert, almost. I'm nervous because the debate is likely to be an equalizer, with neither of them obviously winning -- which would be tantamount to a win for Romney, because the media will treat them as neck-and-neck, and forget that Obama has momentum and the Romney campaign has been a disaster. Which, of course, is a self-fulfilling prophesy. We will see polls later this week showing them tied. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Charley Noble Date: 03 Oct 12 - 05:48 PM "You mean the men there take all their clothes off?" That is the implication but I'll give a honest report of how it all goes down. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bobert Date: 03 Oct 12 - 04:09 PM Unless you run into the owner, Nick, who I've known since the 60s the folks in there don't know me... I been getting into Richomnd once 'er twice a year since '85 so no reason to ask 'um nuthin' about me but... ...good food and good prices... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 03 Oct 12 - 03:57 PM Some are strictly non-partisan but others are, shall we say, "Full Monty." You mean the men there take all their clothes off? That must tend to distract attention from the political differences. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Charley Noble Date: 03 Oct 12 - 02:31 PM Bobert- Thanks for the advice. This will be an interesting evening, given that the legislative staff attending this meeting come from all over the country. Some are strictly non-partisan but others are, shall we say, "Full Monty." "Joe's Inn," shall I say "Bobert sent me?" Charley Noble |
