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Subject: UU musicians
From: Dani
Date: 26 Oct 99 - 08:26 AM

For a curriculum on Unitarian Universalist heritage with elementary-age kids, I'm researching musicians who have a connection with the church and have used their music for social justice issues. Malvina Reynolds and Pete Seeger come to mind, though Pete seems to have come around of late :)

I know there are others, but I'm interested to hear who the Mudcat people come up with. Are there other people you know of whose lives and music are worthwhile for these kids to study?

Thanks for your ideas!

Dani


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Freddie Fox
Date: 26 Oct 99 - 08:32 AM

Try the Worship Together web page, and put in a message for them. The one that springs to my mind is Larry Norman. He was very big about twenty years ago, had a very strong Christian background, but a lot of his lyrics were highly concerned with social justice. There was also a band called After the Fire, but apart from an incredible debut at Greenbelt '78, they had one song in the charts and disappeared.

Freddie


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Blackcat2
Date: 26 Oct 99 - 10:18 AM

greetings!

Check out Fred Small - long time U.U. and folk writer/singer. He recently became a miniter too. His music is in "Rise Up Singing" and other places. Charlie King does the U.U. folk music circuit as well. Plus there is a host of others. At home (I'm at work) I have a list of "Alternate UU Musicians" (the alternate meaning those generally not doing hymms and/or Classical music.) I'll try to remember to send myself a copy of the list and post it to the thread.

Pax.


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 26 Oct 99 - 01:46 PM

Haven't heard about him in a long time, but you might want to try to locate some recordings of Ric Masten. He wrote some lovely, meaningful songs, and performed them regularly on the UU church circuit. He was from California, as I recall, and one of his songs ("I, the Caterpillar") was recorded by Rosalie Sorrels.

Lorre Wyatt has also contributed some fine songs to the struggle for social justice, understanding, and addressing environmental concerns. His song "Somos el Barco" has been recorded by a number of singers. It wasn't finished when he recorded it for Folk-Legacy, but others have recorded the completed version. (Seeger, Jane Sapp?, etc.)

Sandy


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Dani
Date: 26 Oct 99 - 10:00 PM

Pete did, Sandy. It's on one of his children's albums and it's one of my alltime favorites. Is Lorre Wyatt a UU, do you know? It's actually the first song I EVER sang in public - in front of a second-grade classroom. WHEW! tough crowd. They were fascinated by the idea and by the use of another language, though.

Thanks, all.

Dani


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: lamarca
Date: 27 Oct 99 - 05:33 PM

I heard Pete Seeger introduce "Somos el Barco" once as the "Tuna Bagel" song...seems a kid requested him to sing the "tuna bagel" song, having interpreted the Spanish lyric "tu navegas" as near as he could figure it out in English...

Somos el barco, somos el mar, yo navego en ti, tu navegas en mi


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Dani
Date: 27 Oct 99 - 09:22 PM

Indeed, I think I have somewhere liner notes that list that lyric as: tuna vegas :)


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Blackcat2
Date: 28 Oct 99 - 09:10 AM

When my UU Folk Ensemble sings Somos el Barco we think of it as the dog song with fish and chips.

tuna-vegas = fish & chips . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

figure out the dog part yourself.

pax yall


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: MAG (inactive)
Date: 28 Oct 99 - 10:00 PM

I think Eleanor Farjeon was UU; she wrote "Morning is Breaking" and was a children's writer, still one of my favorites.

When I was in Florida, One of the guys who was a UU went by the stage name of "Boomslang." (A highly poisonouis snake.)

there is great stuff in the "UU" hymnal.

May I say that the theme song of my church is "It ain't necessarily so?" True story.


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Dani
Date: 29 Oct 99 - 07:32 AM

You are so right about the hymnal. It is truly a treasure. Thanks for reminding me about Eleanor. Also a favorite of mine. YOUNG KATE is such an important story, and I'll be sure to use it for this service!


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Blackcat2
Date: 29 Oct 99 - 09:00 AM

Here's the list that I mentioned a couple days ago - hope it's of use.

Here is the most recent version of the list of "UU Alternative Musicians" that I post periodically.

>Khrysso > >***beginning of 6/4/99 update*** > >UU ALTERNATIVE MUSICIANS >Since UUism affirms the priesthood of all believers and since everyone listed here ministers through their music whether they are ordained or not, ministerial titles have been dropped. > >Betsy Jo Angebranndt >2517 Kenhill Drive >Bowie, MD 20715 >301-464-0479 > >Armor & Sturtevant >Kelly Armor and Dave Sturtevant >Tatema Music >P.O. Box 3035 >Erie, PA 16508-0035 >800-901-8781 >armstur@aol.com >www.naturalsound.com/armstur.htm > >Mark Belletini >c/o First UU Church >93 W. Weisheimer Rd. >Columbus, OH 43214 >614-267-4946 >MarcoBell@aol.com > >Mimi Bornstein-Doble >71 Mechanic St. #D >Camden, ME 04843 >207-230-0146 >mimibd@mint.net > >Bo Chagnon >1202 Floyd Ave. >Roanoke, VA 24015-2529 >540-345-0469 > >Stefani Cochran >592 Minebank Rd. >Middletown, VA 22645 >540-869-2589 >FAX 540 869 7701 >scochran@visuallink.com > >Tom Cook >2504 E. Jefferson St. #12 >Orlando, FL 32803 >407-898-7586 >blackcat@magicnet.net > >Bil Cusack >8310 Snowbank >Houston, TX 77064 >713-937-9213 >jwcusack@rent-a-piano.com > >Shelley Jackson Denham >c/o The Mountain >P.O. Box 1299 >Highlands, NC 28741 >704-526-5838 >mountain@dnet.net > >Carole Etzler Eagleheart >1180 VT Route 22A >Bridport, VT 05734 >802-758-2549 >ceagle4@aol.com > >Mary E. Grigolia >1646 Marlowe Ave. >Lakewood, OH 44107 >216-221-4949 >MGrigolia@compuserve.com > >Bill and Lorain Harouff >889 Preston Dr. >Staunton, VA 24401-2058 >540-885-3000 > >John Hook >410 Twin Streams Dr. >Warminster, PA 18974-2248 >215-675-0497 >velveth@rocketmail.com > >Robert T. Hughes >327 Russellcroft Road >Winchester, VA 22601-3440 >540-665-8989 >hughes@visuallink.com > >Mz. imani >17816 Mill Creek Dr. >Rockville, Md. 20855 >301-977-4547 >mzimani@his.com > >Khrysso (Chris Wagner) >khrysso@lmi.net >after 6/99: >c/o Joan Van Becelaere >Iliff School of Theology >2201 S. University Blvd. >Denver, CO 80210 >800-678-3360, x106 > >Michael Krieger >P O Box 20456 Ferndale MI 48220 >248-542-5732 >MAKRIEGER@aol.com >http://www.michaelkrieger.com > >Kerry-Anne Kutz, soprano >14361 Harris >Pierrefonds, Québec >Canada H9H 1L6 >514-624-2307 > >Ken Langer >373 Sierra Lavin Rd. >Barre VT 05641 >802-626-6235 >LangerK@mail.lsc.vsc.edu >www.together.net/~artists2/main.html > >Pete Leary >P.O. Box 31184 >Raleigh, NC 27622 >919-781-6494 > >Grace Lewis-McLaren >2405 Jacaranda Ave. >Carlsbad, CA 92009-9112 >619-753-8439 > >Ric Masten >Sunflower Ink (books) >Sunflower Records (tapes) >37931 Palo Colorado Road >Carmel CA 93923 >408-625-0858 >www.ricmasten.com > >Peter Mayer >706 West Laurel St. >Stillwater, MN 55082 >800-252-4140 >MayerHarrison@msn.com > >Carolyn McDade >c/o 19 Brown Street >Wareham MA 02571 > >Nick Page >135 Highland Ave. #2 >Winthrop, MA 02152 >617-539-3192 >npchoralfa@aol.com > >Victoria Parks >262 Danhurst Rd. >Columbus, OH 43228-1343 >614-851-1437 >parksongs@aol.com > >Joyce Poley >Songstyle Music >Kennedy Heights P.O.Box 84507 >Delta, B.C. >Canada V4C 8G1 >604-596-3980 >fax 604-596-9069 >jpoley@istar.ca > >Pittsburgh First UU Folk Orchestra >c/o David Herndon >First Unitarian Church >Morewood and Ellsworth >Pittsburgh, PA 15213 >412-621-8008 >dherndon@fyi.net >www.pitt.edu/~mcs2/uu/uupage.html > >Betsy Pusey >Northwoods UU Church >1370 N Millbend Drive >The Woodlands TX 77380 >713-298-2780 > >Henry and Sharon Robles >1621 Babington Way >Mt. Pleasant, SC 29464 >803-881-8651 > >Jim Scott >321 Walnut St. #402 >Newton, MA 02460 >617-558-1470 >fax 617-558-1471 >Jimscott2u@aol.com >www.jimscottsongs.com > >Art Severance >First UU Church >7150 IH-10 West >San Antonio, TX 78213 >church 210-344-0743 >home 210-822-6243 >revsev@texas.net > >David Shucavage >204 Land Line Dr. >Wilmington, NC 28405 >910-686-5449 >ds@rogo.com > >Maddie Sifantus >7 Holiday Road >Wayland, MA 01178 >msifantus@aol.com >508-358-7091 > >Fred Small >80 Aberdeen Avenue >Cambridge MA 02138-4611 >www.jg.org/folk/artists/fredsmall/fred_small.html >booking & management: >Pam Rivers, 978-263-6072 >peaches@aics.net > >Sharon Stepler >1643 La Mancha Dr. >Lawrenceville, GA 30044 >770-513-1968 >sharonstepler@mindspring.com > >Lynn Wadley >6519 Lenczyk Dr. >Jacksonville, FL 32277 >904-743-1876 > >Hal Walker >131 S. Chestnut >Kent, OH 44240 >330-677-2430 >hwalker131@aol.com > >Jeannie Wolff-Gagné >227 East Main Street >Middleborough, MA 02346 >508-946-0845 >WizardWlff@aol.com > >This is an un-juried list; anyone who wishes to be included on it may be. >The intention of the compiler is that those listed would be able to answer >"yes" to at least two of these questions: > >1. Are you UU or, if not, could you be mistaken for one? >2. Are you both a composer and a performer-a "singer/songwriter"-or are you contributing in some other way to a growing body of music with a distinctly UU flavor? >3. Do you self-publish your work (print and/or recorded media)? >4. Do you work in a folk idiom and/or emphasize audience participation in your performances? >5. Do you tour as part of your livelihood or would you be willing to travel upon demand for concerts, coffeehouses, or worship services at UU churches (provided that they are willing and able to pay a fair wage)? >6. Is worship music for UU congregations among your most important markets (such a market not being one toward which most artists' agents are oriented, so that this list meets a very real marketing need for you)? >

>Compiled by Khrysso, a.k.a. Chris Wagner, who takes sole responsibility for any inaccuracies, with thanks to Gwen Foss and other contributors. Write, call, or e-mail Khrysso to add, delete, change, or recommend listings. > >***end of 6/4/99 update***


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: MAG (inactive)
Date: 29 Oct 99 - 05:08 PM

Yes! Young Kate is a story I tell, too.


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Mudjack
Date: 30 Oct 99 - 12:03 AM

Did the Clan really burn a question mark on the grass of a Unitarian Church? (Utah Phillips quote)
Was invited and did music for several services at UU in Riverside CA. I remember doing "This Land is Your Land" and a lady came up to me during refreshments after the service and promptly began chastising me for Woody's song demanding that This land is not our land, it belongs to the animals. I answered..."Yesss.. and sometimes we act like animals". Then she went off on another tangent about animal's rights. All in all, those folks (UU) are fine people. We did several fund raisers for the homeless. A politcal rally, and at one program, there was ALCU informational presentations. Of course these were in addition to the music they ask me to do. They have obvious committments to the folk arts and continually support the music, they get a big thumbs UP from me.
Now if I could just figure it out what their religious doctrines are. ? Question Mark Burning on the Lawn ????
Mudjack


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From:
Date: 30 Oct 99 - 12:15 AM

Thanks for the addresses

Will solicit funding for MudCat promotions.


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Bill Cameron
Date: 30 Oct 99 - 01:11 PM

Mudjack:

As a now backslid Unitarian, (it is possible, sort of), I can offer you a brief summary of modern Unitarian doctrine:

1. Be tolerant of others' beliefs and differences. 2. Be nice.

It's a pretty big tent--room for pagans, Christians, atheists and agnostics. (Started out as heretical Christians, about 400 years ago, Unitarian in opposition to the Trinity concept. Joined with the smaller, more conservative Universalist church about 1960) The UUA used to always advertise as "Are you a Unitarian without knowing it?"--a line that the Quakers have recently appropriated! There are many other similarities between the two groups.

UU musicians of note: Ric Masten is the prototype of your minister/troubadour, a Ric Masten concert would be the highlight of the year in the late 60's and 70's when I was involved.

Also, Vera Johnson comes to mind. She was (is) an older woman who was aroundin the late 70's--I saw her at Winnipeg festival once, as well as on the UU circuit. Not a great singer or musician, but enjoyed performing and didn't take herself too seriously. (Something a few more performers could stand to learn).

Then there's Country Joe McDonald, and Melanie, both of whom were in LRY (Liberal Religious Youth, Little Red YoYos) in the 60's. They don't all have to be folkies! Also the noted classical pianist Anton Kuerti of Toronto is well worth looking at--he's played more benefits for good causes than most folksingers! (And has a cogent criticism of the music industry star system that spawned The Three Tenors)

Bill


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Dani
Date: 30 Oct 99 - 02:26 PM

Don't want to take up mudcat space proselytizing, but would be happy to answer questions to the best of MY knowledge. It IS a big tent, but I think, Bill, that there's more to my church, anyway, than "Be nice".

But I do appreciate your help. There are lots of interconnections between UUISM and folk music, which has been traditionally deployed for making change in the world. This subject is one of the many avenues we're using to show our kids that UU's are out there and active and shaping their world. Sometimes it's important to point up the alternative to the more prevalent world view here in the South.


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Mudjack
Date: 31 Oct 99 - 12:33 AM

Bill and Dani, Thank you for the nice explanation but I must confess that I have a fair idea of their open/free expression of "believe what you may", all faiths and beliefs make up the UU doctrine.
My Christian confictions always stand in the way of accepting any of the UU principles. I still love them, one and all and would never attempt to alter them or their beliefs.
I plead guilty to attempting to amuse the M'Cat with humor about the (?) and apologise if it came across as anything but light hearted humor.
As I stated before, the UU folks are and will always be dear to my heart. No offence meant and please accept my humble apology in the event anyone took offence at my comments.
Mujack


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Dani
Date: 31 Oct 99 - 01:00 PM

Absolutely no offense taken!! My sense of humor is intact. BTW, there is such a think as a UU Christian. Quite alot of them, in fact. I know a UU Christian Minister who is a terrific voice for the faith.


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Bill Cameron
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 11:11 AM

Dani: Yup, theres more than be nice, and be tolerant (those are different.) The third corner is "Figure it out for yourself, and have the courage of your own convictions". There's more to your faith, of course, but I really think that's the essential common ground UU's tread on.

Truth is of course, not all even are nice!

MudJack, you may be a UU Christian without knowing it! (Just kidding, I always thought that was a dumb slogan --you get a choice. I don't identify myself as a UU anymore, although it was a significant part of my heritage and personal development.)

As for the burning question mark, the old joke is that given a choice between going to heaven or going to a discussion group on what is heaven?, a UU is someone who would choose the discussion. They are kind of notorious for intellectualizing everything.

Best regards
Bill


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Blackcat2
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 01:22 PM

There's a whole series of UU jokes (as with any group)

One of my favorites is: Why are UU's such terrible hymn singers? They're always reading ahead in the song to see if they agree with the lyrics.

Others that I've come up (with a format shamelessly borowed from a wonderful comedian)

You may be a UU if:

Your idea of a "Men's Night Out" is attending a N.O.W. rally.

Your idea of fish on friday is sushi.

You and your cat share the same therapist.

You watch Jaws and root for the shark.

Your Christmas tree is topped with a menorah.

You ligt a chalice prior to brushing your teeth in the morning.

Your Holy Trinity is Peter, Paul & Mary.

Your signifcant theological mentors include Snoopy and Pogo.

etc, etc, etc, etc . . . . .


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Easy Rider
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 03:51 PM

My church is Ethical Culture. Sometimes we jokingly refer to ourselves as "lapsed Unitarians".

I visited a Unitarian church, this Saturday, for a Halloween party, and, on the wall was a poster listing the primary tenets (is that the word?) of Unitarianism. I was surprised to see how similar to the primary tenets of Ethical Culture. I'll try to find them on the Web, but meanwhile, you can go to my Ethical Culture Society's Web page and see what we believe in. To me the most important thing is the belief in the intrinsic worth of every individual. Our motto is, "Act so as to elicit the best in others". Check it out, if you're curious. There is a page about our basic beliefs:

BSEC


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Blackcat2
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 03:55 PM

For further info on unitarian Universalism go to www.uua.org - sorry no blue clicky thang but it's simple

we have 7 principles - listed on the web page - I don't have time to list them myselpf - gotta go to a meeting at church.


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Easy Rider
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 04:06 PM

I found a statement of Unitarian Universalist beliefs:

UUA

Here is some of it:

That: each person, because of her/his humanity inherently has dignity and worth

each person seek their unique spiritual path, as based upon their personal life experience, the use of reason, the findings of science and their fundamental beliefs concerning deity, humanity and the rest of the universe.

the prime function of a congregation is to help the individual, through cooperation with others, to grow spiritually

worth exists in all the great religions of the world, and in their sacred texts

there should be no barrier to membership, such as compulsory adherence to a creed

their lives, their congregations and association are governed by the concepts of democracy, religious freedom and religious tolerance

much of their efforts should be directed towards civil rights: achieving equality of treatment for everyone, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. They have played a major role in these battles, in spite of their relatively small numbers.


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Dani
Date: 01 Nov 99 - 08:45 PM

Blackcat2: there is so much truth in humor!

EasyRider: Once someone was telling me about how he knew a mutual friend, and it was from a group on the "fringe of a Unitarian Church." Oooh, that's bad. That's got to be the fringe de la fringe, eh?

Here's how I've learned 'em:

Principles of the Unitarian Universalist Association

As a member congregation of the Unitarian Universalist Association, we covenant to affirm and promote

1. the inherent dignity and worth of every person;

2. justice, equity and compassion in human relations;

3. acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;

4. a free and responsible search for truth and meaning;

5. the right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;

6. the goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;

7. respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.

Basically, I think of this flavor of spirituality as a work in progress, as opposed to a done deal.


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Pauline L.
Date: 02 Nov 99 - 01:11 AM

It is also said that UUs don't sing songs from hymn books well because they're always reading a few lines ahead to see whether they agree with the lyrics.


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Easy Rider
Date: 02 Nov 99 - 01:38 AM

The Eight Commitments of Ethical Culture:

Ethics is central.
Ethics begins with choice.
We choose to treat each other as ends, not merely as means.
We seek to act with integrity.
We are committed to educate ourselves.
Self-reflection and our social nature require us to shape a more humane world.
Democratic process is essential to our task.
Life itself inspires "religious" response

UUA and Ethical Culture are very similar, indeed.

------------------------------------------------

Does anybody know the Ethical Culture/UUA Blessing?

It starts something like:

"Dear God, if there is a God,..."


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: thosp
Date: 02 Nov 99 - 01:43 AM

i guess that makes you an ETHICSTENUALIST---
hi EZ---- peace !


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Blackcat2
Date: 02 Nov 99 - 10:56 AM

greetings all - for further info:

There are Jewish UUs, Christian UUs, Buddhist UUs, Hindu UUs, Pagan UUs, Atheist UUs, Humanist UUs, Agnostic UUs, Taoist UUs, even a few Muslim UUs and a whole bunch o' regular UUs.

Unitarian Universalism does not inherently provide a spiritual or theological structure so many UUs who wish to have that find it in the teachings of other religions or philisophical/ethical systems.

Some UUs find limitations in the structure of their "affinity religion"; some find the liberal approach of UUism more to their liking though they do not wish to stop being Buddhist or Christian or etc.

To many UUs the community is the primary reason for belonging to a UU community. And most of the time there is no judgement as to your beliefs outside the 7 Principles stated above.

My church works in the community of Orlando FLA with a homeless shelter, Habitat for Humanity, an AIDS/HIV help center, the spouse abuse center, various AA meetings, N.O.W., the Hemlock Society, the Heiffer Project, plus we sponsor a tutoring program at a local Macedonia Baptist Church.

We also love folk music - we have a Folk Music Ensemble with 30 members and host an open-mike night every 2nd Friday of the month (called the Blackcat Cafe - from which I got my name).

pax yall


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Ray Frank
Date: 02 Nov 99 - 11:19 AM

My this thread has gotten convoluted! To get back to the original question of UU musicians, I'd like to bring Patty Zeitlin to your collective attention. About 20 years ago she wrote the songs for and recorded several records with Marcia Berman (remember vinyl?) that have been staples of the children's music repertoire ever since. Just this last week, she and I did a new recording of some of her songs for grown-ups. Patty lives in Seattle and should be better known. Some of her extraordinary songs are beginning to trickle through the San Fransisco Folk Club.


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: MAG (inactive)
Date: 02 Nov 99 - 02:26 PM

Each UU congregation is autonomous in details, hence the wide variation.


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: lamarca
Date: 02 Nov 99 - 02:39 PM

I always wondered what religious Fundamentalists found so offensive about "Secular Humanism", as the belefs of UU and Ethical Culture seem to be exactly that - treat fellow human beings with respect and dignity because it is the ethical and right thing to do, not because there's an Almighty Power above who will punish you if you don't...

I guess maybe because it shifts the moral responsibility for choosing our own behavior onto US, rather than onto a disembodied set of rules set by (and enforced by) a Higher Power...


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Blackcat2
Date: 02 Nov 99 - 04:42 PM

I've always wondered why most Western religions feel that "treat others as you would wish to be treated" wasn't enough and had to ad on - because God will punish you severely if you don't. Especially as it sure doesn't seem to be an effective detterent.

I follow an ethical code - that code is simply - "Try to do no harm" Yes I do harm - eating animals and plants harms them, driving my car harms, etc. but I try to minimize the harm I do.

Anyway - the thread is UU musicians - and I am happy to say that I am one!


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Easy Rider
Date: 03 Nov 99 - 02:55 PM

lamarca:

Just one correction to your comments:

UU and Ethical Culture are NOT "Secular Humanism".

They are most definitely Religious, Spiritual Humanism.

EZR


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Easy Rider
Date: 03 Nov 99 - 02:56 PM

lamarca:

Just one correction to your comments:

UU and Ethical Culture are NOT "Secular Humanism".

They are most definitely Religious, Spiritual Humanism.

EZR


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Bill Cameron again
Date: 03 Nov 99 - 07:58 PM

Actually its not that black and white, ER. The UU movement has been considerably influenced by humanist philosophy. So much so that when I was a young adult, a lot of us found that the church didn't give much encouragement to spiritual viewpoints--rather, officially encouraged "reason and the scientific method" in the development of religious beliefs!

I'm am not disparaging the church, its a fine organization, just stating some historical stuff here. I know a lot of my contemporaries who didn't stay involved with the UU church at that time have since returned to it--often when they have kids of their own--its a good environment for families.

Bill


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 04:03 PM

Well, thanks to the spammers, this thread has been revived. I'm surprised I never noticed before. I am a UU musician - very much both. Utah Phillips was mentioned earlier - he was a UU for 45 years and helped to start his local congregation. We'll be celebrating his legacy this year at our General Assembly in Minneapolis. I'll be joined by Emma's Revolution, Dakota Dave Hull, Pop Wagner, Duncan Phillips and Utah's minister Meghan Cefalu for a 75 minute tribute.

Dan


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: oldhippie
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 08:32 PM

One who hasn't been mentioned is Susan Urban. Also, Holly Near has spoken and sung at more than one UU gathering, but I don't know if she is a UU or not.


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 09:08 PM

Utah Phillips had some level of UU ordination, didn't he, Dan? He officiated at a wedding of mutual friends that my wife attended, and he seemed to be a leader in the UU communities in this area. He was one of the founders of a shelter program for the homeless in Nevada County, in which a number of churches provided a meal and a place to stay on a round-robin basis (we have a similar program in Placer County, the next county over).

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 09:14 PM

Actually Susan Urban is my long time life partner and we do a lot of UU services. Not just the music, the whole service. One of them that we've worked up is Reverance and Glory, the songs of Dave Carter. Others involve various changes of the seasons.


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 09:26 PM

One of these days I'll have to seriously check out Unitarianism. I did the same with Quakerism- I don't remember what made up my mind about the Quaker faith, but I dropped the quest.


Dan Schatz, Emma's Revolution are playing in Juneau this week. And Pop Wagner has been here numerous times. When it comes to music it is a small world.


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Subject: RE: UU musicians
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 10:48 PM

Aubrey Atwater of Rhode Island is (or was?) a UU. She usually performs and records with husband Elwood Donnelly as Atwater/Donnelly. They also work in other configurations: the Atwater/Donnelly Trio, the Atwater/Donnelly band, and Jerimoth Hill. Much of their music is in the Appalachian and Celtic tradition, but they also do some original songs. With Jerimoth Hill, they recorded songs of "White Gospel music." That project was largely led by Elwood.


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