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Tech: How to edit MiDIs in Sibelius?

MorwenEdhelwen1 12 Oct 12 - 09:57 PM
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JohnInKansas 13 Oct 12 - 01:21 AM
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Stanron 13 Oct 12 - 05:32 AM
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Subject: Tech: How to edit MiDIs in Sibelius?
From: MorwenEdhelwen1
Date: 12 Oct 12 - 09:57 PM

Anyone have tips on how to edit MIDIS in Sibelius. I'm thinking of covering the old standard "The Sheik Of Araby" with the verses, and I have decided to edit the MIDI I found myself. The problem is that I have ''no idea'' how to make MIDIs longer in Sibelius. Can anyone explain how to do it.


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Subject: RE: Tech: How to edit MiDIs in Sibelius?
From: MorwenEdhelwen1
Date: 12 Oct 12 - 09:59 PM

Title should be "MIDIS"


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Subject: RE: Tech: How to edit MiDIs in Sibelius?
From: MorwenEdhelwen1
Date: 12 Oct 12 - 10:13 PM

And that was meant to be no idea.


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Subject: RE: Tech: How to edit MiDIs in Sibelius?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 01:21 AM

Nearly all decent "scoring programs" should be able to open a .mid file without any difficulty, and display it as standard notation.

If you clean up the notation, you can "save as" a new .mid.

Sibelius has lots of features I haven't explored, but I don't believe that direct editing of .mid files is in it's repertoire in any useful form.

If the notation that you get when you import (just open) the .mid is reasonably clean, it probably was made using a "Save As .mid" from a score, made either in Siblius or some other program.

If it looks like a sick pig vomited worms on the screen and then a bunch of flies were landed in it, it is likely that it was "recorded from a performance," in which case I've usually found it easier to just play the mid and write a new score from scratch to match what I hear. This shouldn't be too difficult if its a "single voice" thing, but with more than a few voices (parts) mixed together it can be somewhat more difficult.

If you really believe you want to directly edit the .mid file, I doubt if Sibelius is the program you want to use (unless it's been changed a lot since my last look at it. There are others here better qualified than I am to suggest the current choices for midi editors.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: How to edit MiDIs in Sibelius?
From: MorwenEdhelwen1
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 05:00 AM

Thanks, John.


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Subject: RE: Tech: How to edit MiDIs in Sibelius?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 05:29 AM

I haven't "used" Sibelius, mainly because of the price. I did get a "demo disk" and looked at it some. I didn't find it a lot different for what I needed to do than a lot of much cheaper ones.

I was very much annoyed that the demo disk wouldn't let you open the "Help" files, defeating the purpose for which you need the demo - to learn how it works and what it does. I did discover though that if you selected a command on the menu, and hit F1, it would open the help for that command, and you could leave "help" open and wander around in it to get most of what was interesting. (That may have changed by now since that was some time ago.)

Most scoring programs that I've seen, or actually used, do allow you to open a .mid file; but the only thing you see is the score. Usually you can just drag the .mid file onto the icon for the program and drop it in. A few programs may require you to "import" anything other than their "native format."

There are quite a few programs that let you edit .mid files directly, in "midi language" but others can give better advice than I can for programs for that.

There have been several threads on the subject, but I haven't looked recently for how easy they are to find here now. You might try putting MIDI (or something similar) in the "Filter" box, and "Refresh" with time set a year or two back (on the front page where the threads are listed) or try one of the search boxes on the same front page.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: How to edit MiDIs in Sibelius?
From: Stanron
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 05:32 AM

When you open a midi file in Sibelius it is displayed as a score. You can edit the score and then save it as a midi file or a score file.

I don't know how familiar you are with Sibelius but here is one way you can extend a score.

If you press Ctrl + b you get an extra bar at the end of the score.

You can highlight a section of score by running your mouse over it. The highlighted section should have a single blue line outline.

Press Ctrl + c and the computer will copy the highlighted section.

Click in the new bar at the end and then press Ctrl + v and the computer will paste the copied section there.

You can delete the contents of a highlighted section by pressing delete. To remove bars from the score you must hold down Ctrl while you highlight the section.

You can undo the last action by pressing Ctrl + z.


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Subject: RE: Tech: How to edit MiDIs in Sibelius?
From: MorwenEdhelwen1
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 05:50 AM

Thanks, Stanron.


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Subject: RE: Tech: How to edit MiDIs in Sibelius?
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 09:09 AM

Excellent idea, Morwen, to acquaint yourself with Sibelius (and working with software in general). Initially, potential users are bound to have "no idea", that is what written tutorials are for. Sibelius was designed to be newbie-friendly (not always successfully), therefore the Internet abounds with help texts for many tastes, languages, and degrees of computer affinity.

If you enter "Sibelius copy paste" (without the quotes!) into Google, you find many such texts and even videos. Most of them will be useless, but then, a single useful one will be sufficient.

Computer literacy is vital for any profession nowadays, including musician and chimney-sweeper. For all proficiencies, the rule "Frank-N-furter 2.0" applies: don't dream it, strive for it!


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Subject: RE: Tech: How to edit MiDIs in Sibelius?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 10:01 AM

You want to make the MIDI longer in Sibelius? I'm going to assume you want to sing more verses, so you will just be repeating certain parts. I don't know Sibelius, but I do use Noteworthy Composer. The two programs might work the same way.

First, right click on the MIDI on a website and save the MIDI to My Documents. Make a note of the MIDI's name as you do this. (Some MIDI's have very strange names.)

Open Sibelius. Tell it File- Open - My Documents - name you noticed. Then you might have to hit Enter for several boxes as Sibelius opens the MIDI.

When the file is open on your screen, highlight the parts you want to play again, hit Ctrl+C, then put the cursor at the place you want to music to play again, and hit Ctrl+V. The music will play again. (If you have a Mac computer, just do whatever you do to copy and paste.)

You have to do this for every staff. It can get tricky, and it helps to put commas to mark the measures where you start and stop, or else the music doesn't harmonize anymore.

After every Ctrl+V, go to the end of the MIDI and make sure the new line has the same number of measures as the melody. If it sticks out or falls short, a mistake was made. Undo the paste right away and try again. This is very important, especially in a fancy, complicated song.


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Subject: RE: Tech: How to edit MiDIs in Sibelius?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 10:43 AM

In nearly all good scoring programs, if you enter them as "functional parts" of the score, you can just use either "repeats" ( :| ) or "endings" numbered 1, 2, 3, etc, and/or insert DS or Coda, and when you "play the midi" it will play all the repeats, gobacks, and do-overs that you've included in the score.

Since Sibelius claims to be "the most sophisticated program there is" for this purpose, I'm sure it should include these capabilities.

If you "save as .mid" the midi that you save should have all the stuff that plays, including everything that's repeated in a single continuous string of measures.

One of the problems with just importing midis into scoring programs to produce sheet music is that all the repeats are just "played out" so to get a good score you have to enter all the notations and delete all the excess measures - i.e. "fold it up so it's readable" and so that you don't have 30 pages where 5 will do.

It's largely a matter of how much time you want to spend on the RTFM effort vs what you need to do to get the results you want. (And of course that can be affected by how much you understand of conventional music notation on paper.)

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: How to edit MiDIs in Sibelius?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 08:56 AM

Yes, that'll work too, if the song repeats instead of moving to a new section with a new tune.


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Subject: RE: Tech: How to edit MiDIs in Sibelius?
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 10:37 PM

Just in case midis are a continuing concern for some, I found a small freeware program called PianoRollComposer (scroll down a bit) which might prove useful. It will write and edit midis. (I have NOT played extensively with this, but the author has several other programs which I use, and he seems to put out pretty decent stuff.)


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