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Tech: Use the Internet Without the Internet

JohnInKansas 03 Nov 12 - 07:14 PM
Richard Bridge 04 Nov 12 - 03:50 AM
JohnInKansas 04 Nov 12 - 01:26 PM
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Subject: Tech: Use the Internet Without the Internet
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 03 Nov 12 - 07:14 PM

A helpful(?) hint on how to use the internet when there isn't any internet gives what appear to be detailed instructions for ways to send text messages when you don't have an internet connection.

The details are complex enough to make it risky for me (I don't text) to try to post them, and they depend on how you usually use the 'net when it's up, so direct reference to the original article is recommended:

How to use the Internet when the Internet is gone

While the methods look like something of interest mostly to "addicts only" it might be something some would want to save - at least the parts applicable to their own setups - to tuck into their emergency kits so they'll have something to read until the lights come back on.

If someone tries any of it, a note on whether the recommendations actually are usable might help some others of us.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Use the Internet Without the Internet
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 03:50 AM

Am I right to infer that blackberry users will be able to email as normal?

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Subject: RE: Tech: Use the Internet Without the Internet
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 01:26 PM

As I normally only use email to receive advertisements (most of my "friends" who might talk to me are confused by the concept) I don't pay as much attention to such stuff, so BlackBerry has been sort of a vague thing, distinguished from other devices by the notion that it is supposed to be most used by business and government people.

The BlackBerry Wikipedia entry confirms that all BB messages are encrypted, with that being a main reason for wide usage within governments and large businesses. BB appears to need to connect directly to a server that has a "special capability" for it's security features, but otherwise the servers it uses are connected and work just like any other internet servers.

It appears from that article that BB would be affected just like any other internet-connected devices, with the only difference being that there are fewer servers that can handle BB email than for more generic devices, so an incapacitated server (as has happened a couple of times) would be likely to cause loss of communication for a larger percentage of BB users than for other devices that can relay through any server they can connect to.

This is pure speculation, though, based on vague information.

The only significant differences I see are that BB uses a "push" delivery that sends messages to the device without waiting for the device user to connect and ask for new mail, and the device must be "identified" with a built-in "signature" in order to receive (or send?) anything within the BB capable "nets."

The "how to" instructions appear to tell how you can use alternative ways of getting to the internet to access email if local relays are down and you can't do it normally. An implication is that for "normal" email there are ways to get to your email using devices other than the one(s) you usually use, and since you must use your BB device to access your BB email, the situations that would cause loss of internet connectivity for a BB device would seem likely to be very similar to those that would cause other kinds of devices to be unable to connect, so similar methods of connecting to your account might work; but since you have to use a specific BB device to make the connection to your BB email account (for the BB security features) there might be additional difficulties for the BlackBerry.

Again this is all based on the WAG method (not even a SWAG).

Maybe getting the thread past the number of posts where someone who actually knows something about BlackBerry might look at it will help(?).


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Subject: RE: Tech: Use the Internet Without the Internet
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 03:42 PM

I use a blackberry. They are quite popular for many because blackberry IMs are free and you can get a blackberry on contract for about £10 per month I am told.

However they offer three types of message.

First, you can use blackberry IMs which I don't.
Second you can use them to harvest your emails from your POP3 server - and this is so even though old blackberries like mine are G2 devices not G3.
Third you can send txts.

So I imagine that retrieving my email and sending it would depend on being able to reach a mobile phone mast - unaffected by power in my house but does depend on the masts being still standing and still powered. And close.

Then the signal goes to (I assume) internet to be received at the url of the POP3 server.

So the answer may be "maybe".

Many years ago there used to be a protocol to access the web through email only gateways. I did use it but will have to mull to remember what it was called.

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