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Tech: Cookie Loss - Mudcat and FB

Leadfingers 03 Nov 12 - 08:14 PM
bobad 03 Nov 12 - 08:47 PM
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JohnInKansas 03 Nov 12 - 10:23 PM
Leadfingers 04 Nov 12 - 01:39 PM
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Subject: Tech: Cookie Loss - Mudcat and FB
From: Leadfingers
Date: 03 Nov 12 - 08:14 PM

I KNOW there is a simple answer , but I am in Dim Mode - On an Aspire Netbook One Netbook using Windows 7 I have lost the 'memory' aspect of logging in - the Machine does NOT remember my details and I have to keep re-entering user name and password despite clicking on the 'Remember Me' bit ! Can one of you who's brain IS working please point me in the right direction !


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Subject: RE: Tech: Cookie Loss - Mudcat and FB
From: bobad
Date: 03 Nov 12 - 08:47 PM

What browser are you using?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Cookie Loss - Mudcat and FB
From: Leadfingers
Date: 03 Nov 12 - 09:25 PM

Internet Explorer !I SAID I was in Dim Mode - Should have put that in my request .


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Subject: RE: Tech: Cookie Loss - Mudcat and FB
From: bobad
Date: 03 Nov 12 - 09:42 PM

I don't use IE but it sounds like your cookie setting has changed. If you click the gear wheel top right corner then internet options then the privacy tab you will see a slider for adjusting your cookie setting. Mine is defaulted to medium but, like I said I don't use IE so I'm not sure how that works for retaining cookies but you can tell it which sites to allow cookies from by clicking the sites link on that page. Hope that helps.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Cookie Loss - Mudcat and FB
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 03 Nov 12 - 10:23 PM

The one thing that I've found most helpful for keeping login at mudcat is putting the site in the settings for IE.

Recent default settings for IE omit display of the "Menu Bar" but "Internet Options" should come up if you click the little "gear" on the bar where the URL is shown. If you want to display the Menu Bar, right clicking in any blank space on the top bars will let you turn on the various available toolbars by putting a check on the ones you want, and get the old File-Edit-View-Favorites-Tools-NoHelp bar up as in older versions.

Tools|Internet Options from the Menu bar, or "Internet Options" from the "gear" widget should get you to the options menu, with six tabs at the top. On the "Privacy" tab there should be a button marked "Sites." Click the Sites button, put mudcat.org in the Address Block and Click on "Allow" and mudcat.org will be shown in a list to be "always allowed." If mudcat isn't listed there, you may get a "temporary cookie" that expires after a short time, and/or sometimes whenever you click off the site or when you run Disk Cleanup. With mudcat listed there you can be given a login cookie that's "permanent," and should remain in place even when you do a Disk Cleanup and "delete cookies."

Separate settings may be setup to delete cookies when you exit IE, and/or to delete browsing history on exit. I think those are (mostly?) on checklists in the "Advanced" tab of the same menu, but haven't looked there recently.

At mudcat, since setting the site permission, I've only lost a cookie a half dozen times in a dozen years, while it was fairly frequent before I made the entry.

The same thing may or may not work with FB. At mudcat you're logged in if the cookie is on your machine, but you might need something more sophisticated at other places, where they ask you to enter an ID and password every time you enter.

Some program sellers, and Microsoft, are recently touting their "password vaults" or "login lockers" that keep login data (supposedly encrypted) independent of what program you're using at the time, and they might give better protection for all your logins and they claim to enter everything needed automatically; but I can't find one that tells me what it does or how and "it's wonderful, just put it on your computer" isn't what I consider an adequate vetting, so I haven't tried any of the several most available ones. If FB continues to give you problems you might want to consider trying one of them, but I haven't had a need so I can't say how well they work.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Cookie Loss - Mudcat and FB
From: Leadfingers
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 01:39 PM

Thanks Bobad - My Security is Medium but I still have the problem !
John - I have 'Autofill' on the google task bar and that sems to work fine , but I still have to log in when I want to use FB or Mudcat !


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Subject: RE: Tech: Cookie Loss - Mudcat and FB
From: bobad
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 02:28 PM

Did you try putting mudcat.org in as a site to allow cookies?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Cookie Loss - Mudcat and FB
From: Leadfingers
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 05:56 PM

Where do I do that ??


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Subject: RE: Tech: Cookie Loss - Mudcat and FB
From: bobad
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 06:25 PM

On the page where you saw your cookie security as medium just beneath the slider is a clickable link that says SITES. Clicking it opens a window wherein you can enter the URL of a website you are allowing cookies from. Put mudcat.org in the box that says "address of website" and click allow. See if that works for you.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Cookie Loss - Mudcat and FB
From: Leadfingers
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 06:38 PM

Sorry I DID say I was in Dim Mode ! Done that now , lets see if it solves it ! And Thank You!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Cookie Loss - Mudcat and FB
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 06:52 PM

If you can log in, you're already allowing cookies.
First off, warning: I don't know MSIE.
I DO know there's a setting somewhere that addresses cookies. You can set it to clean out your cache, including your cookies, or NOT including them when you restart the machine.
You can accept cookies for each visit or permanently. If you accept them per visit, it means you dump them when you leave the site.

Of course, all this is a lot more complicated that what Bobad's talking about, and I hope his suggestion does the trick.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Cookie Loss - Mudcat and FB
From: bobad
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 06:55 PM

If that doesn't work check to see that there is no check mark in the box that says "delete browsing history on exit" which is found on the page under the "general" tab on the internet options page under the gear wheel. If that doesn't work then I'm stumped.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Cookie Loss - Mudcat and FB
From: bobad
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 06:59 PM

Cross posted with Jeri but I think she is essentially addressing what I am saying.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Cookie Loss - Mudcat and FB
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 08:15 PM

In IE, as previously indicated, At Tools|Internet Options, on the Privacy tab, at the button labelled Sites, if you type mudcat.org and click Allow, the mudcat cookie that says whether or not you're logged in will NOT be delected when you clear history, delete cookies using Disk Cleanup, or by settings in most cookie blockers - at least as far as I've seen in the past dozen years.

If you actually want to delete the cookie, you can just log out, or you can find the "Temporary Internet" folder under the username you log in with to start your computer, and delete the individual file manually.

If you have multiple browsers, you may need to make similar "trusted site" entries in each one.

There are a half-dozen places where you can block receiving new cookies, some of which could interfere with logging back in, but none of those, so far as I've seen, should affect what cookies are removed, or which are left, when you use any of the OS or IE "cleanups." I can't comment on all the "third party cookie blockers" but would expect them to have no effect on "permanent" cookies already in place on your machine.

Since Facebook's default is to require you to log in each time, this may not be sufficient there, but it has worked quite well on mudcat.

IE has the ability to "remember" logins and supply them automatically when the site opens in most cases, but "secure" sites generally don't accept the "remembered" login (bank accounts and "buy" pages on web vendor sites, etc). There have been some security doubts about the default IE function for this, but few "experts" have voiced enough serious criticism to merit significant concerns unless you do a lot of "private/confidential" stuff on the web.

Windows, Google (with the toolbar?), many AV programs, and numerous "third party" providers offer "login vaults" or "password lockers" that assure that logins and passwords are stored encrypted on your computer (with a range of "believabalities"), and some may be a little more secure and may be accepted by more sites. Few of these give much information of what they actually do, so I haven't bothered with them. ("Wonderful" is not a technical explanation, and "magic" is unsatisfying.)

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Cookie Loss - Mudcat and FB
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 08:18 PM

Typo in next to last paragraph, "but" should have been "buy."

And I previewed twice.... #@#$!%!

John
I fixed it. ~Typo Fairy


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