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Police stop Wild Hunt Morris

Bonzo3legs 05 Nov 12 - 09:15 AM
meself 05 Nov 12 - 09:36 AM
meself 05 Nov 12 - 09:43 AM
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MGM·Lion 05 Nov 12 - 10:16 AM
Leadfingers 05 Nov 12 - 10:33 AM
Rob Naylor 05 Nov 12 - 10:46 AM
Bonzo3legs 05 Nov 12 - 10:51 AM
GUEST,.gargoyle 05 Nov 12 - 11:06 AM
meself 05 Nov 12 - 11:13 AM
GUEST,MC Gangsta Morris 05 Nov 12 - 11:22 AM
GUEST 05 Nov 12 - 11:22 AM
GUEST,Blandiver 05 Nov 12 - 11:48 AM
Les in Chorlton 05 Nov 12 - 11:50 AM
Richard Bridge 05 Nov 12 - 11:51 AM
Richard Bridge 05 Nov 12 - 11:54 AM
GUEST,Blandiver 05 Nov 12 - 12:36 PM
Girl Friday 05 Nov 12 - 12:42 PM
GUEST 05 Nov 12 - 12:52 PM
McGrath of Harlow 05 Nov 12 - 01:36 PM
foggers 05 Nov 12 - 03:29 PM
Bonzo3legs 05 Nov 12 - 03:31 PM
GUEST,CS 05 Nov 12 - 04:19 PM
GUEST,Little Robyn 05 Nov 12 - 04:44 PM
Richard Bridge 05 Nov 12 - 04:45 PM
The Sandman 05 Nov 12 - 04:55 PM
GUEST 05 Nov 12 - 05:17 PM
Leadfingers 05 Nov 12 - 06:43 PM
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Wheatman 07 Nov 12 - 08:42 AM
GUEST,leeneia 07 Nov 12 - 09:19 AM
GUEST,Big Al Whittle 07 Nov 12 - 03:35 PM
Hollowfox 07 Nov 12 - 03:48 PM
Les in Chorlton 08 Nov 12 - 05:28 AM
Dave MacKenzie 08 Nov 12 - 06:00 AM
Harmonium Hero 08 Nov 12 - 11:03 AM
GUEST,Big Al Whittle 08 Nov 12 - 11:57 AM
Les in Chorlton 08 Nov 12 - 02:45 PM
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GUEST,Big Al Whittle 09 Nov 12 - 06:37 AM
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Subject: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 09:15 AM

http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/Police-halt-Croydon-Morris-dancers-offensive/story-17216808-detail/story.html

Can you believe this??


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: meself
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 09:36 AM

Note that the complaint, from a "neighbour", was about "noisy revellers".


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: meself
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 09:43 AM

Which I point out because the newspaper seems to be trying to call out the 'political correctness gone mad' brigade with their use of the term "offensive routine" - the offence apparently involved noise, rather than anything political.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 09:59 AM

Since a licence is not needed for Morris dancing I am unclear what powers the police might have invoked.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 10:16 AM

And what had 'community relations' [a term generally used as a euphemism for suspicions of racism] to do with it?

~M~


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Leadfingers
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 10:33 AM

So an officious neighbour decided they were being noisy ! What a P I T A


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 10:46 AM

Yet when my daughter (then just 16) had her teeth knocked out by a hit and run driver, there were no police available, and despite a good description of the car and driver and a partial number plate, they refused to investigate because there was "little chance of finding the culprit". When I said that I'd stand on the road myself at the same time every day for a week (it was commuting time when it happened) to look out for the car and driver and get a full number plate they advised me that they'd regard this as vigilantism, and that they wouldn't follow up any number I presented as I was not the original injured party nor a witness to the incident.

I suspect it's because by attending the pub complaint they can log a "clear up" simply by attending, without actually needing to do any investigation. In fact, they may well be able to log a separate "cleared up incident" for each member of the Wild Hunt side they identified (not too hard given their tatters). I have police friends in both the Met and the local Kent force here who are constantly frustrated by the hoops they have to jump through for management to maximise their stats.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 10:51 AM

I can't actually see where this neighbour might have been, unless there is a road behind the courtyard where morris dancers usually perform. What possible noise are we talking about here? A drum beat and yelping perhaps - ah I expect they were drowning out the sound of fireworks!

There are always going to be miserable gits!!


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 11:06 AM

This is NOT your namsey pansey typical Morris Dancers.

They cultivate a noisey style dressed in all black and are self described as "an unusual marriage between medieval mummery and the Hell's Angels".

http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/news/5079876.Secrets_of_morris_dancers_unmasked/

PHOTO

http://www.wildhunt.org.uk/images/whunt1.jpg

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

a Yob...is a yob...is a yob.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: meself
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 11:13 AM

I won't keep harping on this, since I don't know anything about the incident beyond what the article says, but I just glanced at it again, and it really reads like the writer is trying hard to give it a certain spin: in the opening sentence, he says, 'one group of Croydon Morris dancers was banned from a pub ... after culture killjoys reported their "offensive" routine to police' - but later in the article, we find out that, rather than "culture killjoys" reporting an '"offensive" routine', it was ONE neighbour making a noise complaint. And while "offensive" is presented in quotation marks, it does not appear to be an actual quote.

Blatantly irresponsible journalism gets in my craw. I'll stay out of this now, and let those closer to the action have their say.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST,MC Gangsta Morris
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 11:22 AM

oh no, this 'heavy handed policing' incident gonna kick off another night of protest and civil disorder..

- unruly gangs out on the streets, violent rioting, arson and shoplifting ???

mobs tooled up with sticks, bells and hankies...

The feds better learn not to mess with the Morris trad posse !!!


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 11:22 AM

Looking at Google Maps there are houses behind the pub car park.

Wild Hunt are bloody noisy, if the families there had small children then performing after 9pm would be out of order.

On the other hand there are people who get off on complaining and go out of their way to find something that "offends" them.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST,Blandiver
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 11:48 AM

What's needed here is National Morris Curfew.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 11:50 AM

Sunrise to sunrise say?


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 11:51 AM

Noise enforcement is up to the local council as, technically "nuisance".


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 11:54 AM

I should perhaps mention that they used to have one member who was indeed offensive.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST,Blandiver
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 12:36 PM

Who? The local council or the morris dancers?


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Girl Friday
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 12:42 PM

We know they are noisy... they played our festival. The whoops and the screams are an important part of their routines. You can't be a Wild Huntsman (sorry.... Huntsperson) without it. Absolutely bonkers !!


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 12:52 PM

well there you go..
if complaining neighbours could overhear but not see what was causing the noisy commotion
they could understandably jump to the conclusion
there was a vicious pub brawl spilling out into the car park ?


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 01:36 PM

Mind, this is the kind of thing that could help give Morris dancing more street cred...


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: foggers
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 03:29 PM

Totally agree with meself; the writer is straining to turn this into a tale of political correctness gone mad, and I note one of the commentators picks up on this veiled theme and goes so far as to suggest that the complainants were probably not english. Now that's. Racist assumption, bah!


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 03:31 PM

Wild Hunt Bedlam Morris!


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 04:19 PM

I don't really know why Morris groups should expect to be granted special license to be noisy based on some supposed and mostly spurious notion of "tradition". Surely binge drinking of continental lager by St. George flag bedecked skinheads is at least as much of a tradition on these isles as anything involving sticks, rags and blacked-up faces, if not moreso?


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST,Little Robyn
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 04:44 PM

After watching several youtube clips of these dancers, I'm not surprised that a neighbor complained - at 9pm, outside in an area with people at home - maybe trying to get the kids to sleep or maybe they were trying to watch telly....
Wonderful stuff but yes, very noisy.
Robyn (Heart of the sun Morris side)


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 04:45 PM

The police are not responsible for noise nuisance. The council is.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 04:55 PM

maybe they were trying to watch telly....
yes, how dare the wonderful telly be interrupted, by people making their own entertainment, it will be happening in tun bridge wells next morris dancing must be stopped


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 05:17 PM

The police are not responsible for noise nuisance. The council is.
Unless of course the officer determines that the nuisance constitutes a breach of the peace.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Leadfingers
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 06:43 PM

Exuberant Morris of this sort is fine , but probably somewhat out of place late evening in a residential area .
I recall another VERY exuberant morris side at a small festival with 'indoor Camping' in the village hall when they (The Morris Side)
who were not performing till late afternoon kept the whole place awake till Four am with their raucous behavior .
Some times , it CAN Be too loud !!


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 07:00 PM

Even as Pace Egg Players as opposed to Morris Dancers we had a complaint about our "Unruly Member".

We did manage to keep him in check after that :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Nov 12 - 04:19 PM

There are no houses to the left, right or in front of the pub where Wild Hunt were dancing. I actually parked my car just over the road from that pub last week!


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 06 Nov 12 - 04:41 PM

Looking at Google there is a hotel almost opposite, houses immediately behind the pub and flats over the shops two buildings to the right.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Wheatman
Date: 07 Nov 12 - 08:42 AM

Despite all the arguments regarding   performance time, location of houses / hotels the sinister implication is, this could be the thin end of the wedge. All it takes is one complaint. It seems the complaint was about one dance team and if it was late in the evening and there was use of drums then the complaint could have been justified but The Mail seems to have sensationalised the circumstances. My concern is, that if lady who lives in Whittlesey who is verbally anti straw bear and make a lot of anti straw bear festival comment in the local press makes a "public nuisance complaint" will the local police try and stop the 30 or so teams dancing in town on the day. We do also arrange for the roads to be closed as well, stopping the Saturday shoppers going about their weekly chores. This could be viewed as a public nuisance. Even worse, the local licensing officer, who does not care much for Straw Bear, may use the public nuisance argument to impede the event. Here we are back in 1909. Gan Canny Brian


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 07 Nov 12 - 09:19 AM

It seems to me that the real problem was that nobody had a chance to think. I bet if the complainer had been told that the music was live, traditional and fun and that it would not go on all night, then they would have been content to let the show go on.

Wild Hunt could have offered the person a free beer if they came down to see what was up. They also could have offered to muffle the drum some. Keep in mind that a person in a nearby building probably only heard a monotonous whack-whack-whack sound from their biggest drum.

People really hate it when some bar manager cranks the volume on the speakers all the way up and then blasts the neighborhood for hours with music he's not even listening to. That is probably what the complainer thought was gonna happen.

Maybe next time Wild Hunt Morris will be ready with a good response to the 'community relations' request.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Nov 12 - 03:35 PM

A very strange story. Many unanswered questions.

It is annoying. I can vouch for that. The police in Liskeard closed down one of my gigs one night because I was too noisy. I'm not really noisy - it was a crowded pub, a hot summer night, all the windows were open.

I think the problem is if the police get a complaint - they have to cover themselves , by acting on it. And if you're a player - well be proud - its part of our heritage as wandering vagabonds. We're the ones without the power - the ones outside society.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Hollowfox
Date: 07 Nov 12 - 03:48 PM

Sounds like SOMEbody didnt want good luck brought to the vicinity.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 05:28 AM

OK, Big Al,

"its part of our heritage as wandering vagabonds. We're the ones without the power - the ones outside society. "

What a lovely romantic idea?

Or a bunch of people in plastic masks, shoting and banging stuff too near to homes where people want their children to saty asleep?

Go on you choose Big Al

L in C#


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 06:00 AM

I've just watched the YouTube clip posted by Bonzo. and it confirms my memories from about 20 years ago that "Wild Hunt" are not particularly noisy, as compared to most Morris sides. It was not them, but Kingston Morris who persuaded a Securicor driver not to persist in forcing his way through the pedestrianised area of Kingston when they were performing (Kingston used bigger sticks if I remember rightly). If you really want a noisy Morris side, try parking your tent next to the City of Chester Morris, when they're having a quiet chat!


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Harmonium Hero
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 11:03 AM

In my experience, if a copper says something, it isn't necessarily true. And I'd go along with Rob Naylor's comments about 'clear-up' rates. A morris side is an easy target. Hardly likely to start a riot. If the Police were a commercial enterprise, they'd have gone bust years ago.

Les: Romantic idea? Sadly not. Musicians, actors, artists and dancers have always been regarded as riff-raff in this society. And children asleep? at nine o'clock? you're 'avin a larf.
Who mentioned children anyway? The Police were, allegedly, acting on a 'complaint'. No details were mentioned.

John Kelly, Vagabond.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 11:57 AM

Absolutely right John!

And when you get to the bottom of it - isn't this whgat the Harding/Radio 2 debate is about.

A lot of people 'on the scene' feel excluded from what is seen as Harding's favourites - people who really deserve to be played like John himself, and locally to me Paul Openshaw.

But by and large - no one who really counts bears the guy any ill will, and he's probably as near to the folkscene as the BBC is comfortable with being, and as right as they are likely to get it.

But can we influence the powers that be about our one hour a week on national radio - can we buggery. No political power.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 02:45 PM

Hi John, trust you are well - I don't doubt your vagabond creds as I am sure you know. But Wild Hunt Morris as vagabonds? Well maybe.

As for children asleep - correct I don't know if children under 5 were asleep at that time but many are.

I also accept the historic point that all sorts of performing people have been bothered by the law. But I also think people have a right not to bothered by load bangy music and I don't think Morris should be an exception.

Al, I suspect we all agree with you about the Beeb and Mike, but as for political power - we all count as one and none for more than one and I cannot see what this has to do with the op

Best wishes

L in C#
ex 2 morris sides and all manner of mummers and singing in public.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 04:49 AM

" persuaded a Securicor driver not to persist in forcing his way through "

Clog-wearing North West sides can also be quite persuasive, especially when irons strike sparks on paving-stones.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST,BobL
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 04:50 AM

Sorry - that last was I


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 06:37 AM

Actually I think those parents getting their kids off to sleep were very irresponsible. They should have woken the kids up and taken them to a culturak event like a morris dance team outside their backdoor.

stupid sods.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Gozz
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 12:18 PM

If noise was really the issue here, then I think we have another case of persons not taking account of their environment before choosing to live where they do. We have had people living near farms complaining about cockrell's crowing, we have had people complaining about church bell after choosing to live near a church. If you live near a decent pub you are likely to get morris dancers turning up to perform. Something similar happened to us (Grimspound Border Morris) at a local village many years ago, but at least the people concerned merely came out and explained a particular situation to us politely asking us to finish early - they didn't call the police!

Whilst some may maintain that Wild Hunt are loud I can assure you that many other sides are louder and when the handkie waivers sing a song to start a dance that can equally be loud. What of the sides that have a large row of box players and drummers to accompany them?


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST,Grumpy Pants
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 12:28 PM

"If noise was really the issue here, then I think we have another case of persons not taking account of their environment before choosing to live where they do. We have had people living near farms complaining about cockrell's crowing, we have had people complaining about church bell after choosing to live near a church. ,If you live near a decent pub you are likely to get morris dancers turning up to perform"

- what a priceless example of arrogant self-centred pomposity !!!

No surprise Morris is full of people like this ?


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Gozz
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 01:22 PM

"-what a priceless example of arrogant self-centred pomposity !!!"

No, a country dweller who has become increasingly frustrated by urban attitudes to what are their assumed "rights" completely ignoring the realities of country life, its traditions and culture. Totally fed up with people who heavily push their own viewpoint to the detriment of others. In this case one complainant against an entire morris side and their audience. This isn't a very democratic state of affairs, this is bullying by the complainant. Do you need to call the police because there are people whooping and bashing sticks outside your local pub?


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 02:27 PM

No, an urban dweller who has become increasingly frustrated by country attitudes to what are their assumed "rights" completely ignoring the realities of urban life, its traditions and culture. Totally fed up with people who heavily push their own viewpoint to the detriment of others.

In this case one morris side and their audience making loud noises at 9 at night. This isn't a very democratic state of affairs, this is bullying by performers. Do you need to suffer because there are people whooping and bashing sticks outside your local pub?

No, it doesn't make much sense that way round either

Best wishes

Les


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 02:34 PM

I thought the witching hour for noise was 11pm! The more I think about this the bigger arseholes become the both the idiot who complained, and the police officers - were they PCSOs by any chance?


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 02:51 PM

Calm, please, calm. This is an urban situation where some people anoyed some others. That's it really.

We can all give and take a bit can't we?


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 03:22 PM

I strongly suggest that those who are suggesting that people should choose carefully where they live ought before displaying their ignorance look up the English law of civil nuisance.

Public nuisance is different http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_nuisance

Statutory nuisance differs again. NB - COUNCIL! not police.    https://www.gov.uk/how-to-resolve-neighbour-disputes/overview


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 09:08 PM

Sod the law Richard. If a few old codgers can't do a morris dance outside a pub, what kind of a country are we living in?


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 09:11 PM

My point, Al, is that it seems probably likely that those who stopped them had no lawful power to do so. That to my mind opens a whole lot of questions.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 01:16 PM

And if it was a local "steel band" playing, no way would they have been stopped (subjunctive!!).


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 01:25 PM

Well for a start, from a distance a steel band sounds more like an organised urban music event,
whereas morris can sound more like a rowdy hooligan gang punch up !!!


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 01:47 PM

Apparantley Sharp (CJ) came across women dancing the morris but didn't take much notice. Was this threason?

"morris can sound more like a rowdy hooligan gang punch up !!!"

Best wishes
L in C#
Who may regret this statement


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 02:36 PM

"Well for a start, from a distance a steel band sounds more like an organised urban music event"

The police or PCSOs wouldn't dare stop a steel band, especially if the players were black! That's funny, Wild Hunt Morris were wearing black masks!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Harmonium Hero
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 03:46 PM

Ah, yes - babes sleeping soundly in that sleepy backwater where, no doubt, there's no such thing as a Disco. In my experience as a father of two, they will go to sleep when it's time, and you can't wake the little buggers. And I would add to Gozz's list (9th Nov) the person who buys a house next door to a junior school, and spends his time growling at parents parking their cars outside the school. Although I'm not excusing the behaviour of some parents, but it's what you can expect if you buy a house next door yo a school. Innit? We have some neighbours along the road who built a house opposite a garage, and with a railway embankment at the back, and then complained about both. It seems to be an English disease.
Anyway, I don't like people who disagree with me, so can we have them removed from this forum? Or should I get sense and keep off it myself?
JK


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 04:18 PM

Bonzo - I lived and worked in Brum for many years and saw many steel bands - but none outside a pub. Whereas morris teams - thats where they tend to be seen quite a lot.

Stop muddying the water with stuff about racism.

Morris teams should have their status of playing outside pubs actually protected - not persecuted. That is the natural place for them to be. Anyway most of them are shagged out after twenty minutes. It doesn't seem much for them to put up with.

I was talking to Steve Matthews (local melodeon player) - he was saying he was cheesed off with turning up for Morris night practices when they only got two dances done, before knocking off and going to the pub.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 10:09 AM

The election of Police & Crime Commissioners takes place on Thursday.

The role of the PCC is to be the voice of the people and hold the police to account. Have any candidates come out in favour of Morris dancing?


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Morris-ey
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 10:29 AM

Anything that stops crap border sides (i.e. most border sides) dancing is to be welcomed.

Wearing ragged clothes, blacking your face and whooping and wailing can disguise a complete lack of talent but at least no one can recognise you.

Kirkpatrick has a shedload to answer for.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 10:31 AM

Is there a forum where we can ask their views on this matter?


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 12:20 PM

Come on Morris-ey, don't hide your light, don't sit on fences, you wont upset anyone here - say what you really think


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: John P
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 01:52 PM

If there's a law about how late at night one can make noise, it should be enforced as written or stricken from the books. If there's no law, no one should get shut down for making noise.

Does anyone actually know if there is existing law in this locale about when and how much noise can be made?

It seems clear that trying to make this about culture or Morris dancing is misdirection, on the parts of both the newspaper and some of the people on this thread. We had a party house in our neighborhood shut down some years ago because they made too much noise too late at night. It had nothing to do with whether or not we liked their taste in music.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 02:27 PM

I suspect it was an attempted witticism Les. You can never be traddy enough for the traddy taliban.

John P - of course theres a law about how much noise you can make. Otherwise every anti social git would be making our lives impossible.

The point is, it was never meant to be aimed at the once a year visit of a few morris dancers outside a pub, on the only non freezing, non rainy night that year in England.


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 05:19 AM

The Tradiban? Hey I like that a lot Al........

L in C#
Armed wing of The Tradiban - a break-away group from The Folk Police?


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: John P
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 09:39 AM

I'm almost always armed with a bouzouki . . . .


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 10:19 AM

Could be very useful in a tight corner John


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Rog Peek
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 10:51 AM

Got them a mention on Have I Got News For You
26mins 56secs in.

Rog


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 11:05 AM

Xlnt - and introducing the Tazer into the living tradition that is The Morris?


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 12:33 PM

Should there also be a Continuity NW1 7AY, and a Real NW1 7AY too? And an NW1 7AY Defence Force, and an NW1 7AY Defence Regiment?


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 12:40 PM

How about The Surreal NW1 7AY?


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Subject: RE: Police stop Wild Hunt Morris
From: Girl Friday
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 01:27 PM

Has the pub where they were dancing had the same licencing restrictions as the Liberal Club now has ? I suspect so.
Drinks shall not be consumed at any time on the forecourt of the building, or after 9pm to the rear of the building. When live or amplified music is being played in the hall after 9pm (excluding background music) all external doors and windows will be closed. Members and guests using the smoking area after 9pm will keep noise to a minimum and return to the inside of the building as soon as possible.


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