BS: Update on Florida Results

Subject: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 04:10 PM

The Romney Campaign has just conceded Florida to Obama: click here for story!

That gives Obama 29 more electoral votes, bringing his national total to 332, to Romney's 206.

"We feel we will be the official winner in Florida later today," Obama campaign manager Jim Messina said. Preliminary results are due into from the counties to the state by noon Saturday. The final results are to be certified Nov. 20.

The numbers in Florida look unlikely to change in Romney's favor.

It's about time!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 05:23 PM

Sure is!

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 05:50 PM

Kinda the nail in the coffin, hmmm?

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 05:54 PM

I could never figure out why you people elected Reagan and the Bush fellows.
I thought they were garbage. But you chose them.
=(:-( ))

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 06:07 PM

Good. That wraps it up. Karl Rove must be inconsolable.

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 08:34 PM

Florida story as of 50 minutes ago (ABC News)
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"As of Thursday afternoon, Mr Obama had 49.9 per cent of the state-wide vote versus 49.24 per cent for Republican Mitt Romney, according to the Florida Division of Elections.

But two of the three counties where ballots are still being tallied, Broward and Palm Beach, are heavily Democratic.

The third county, Duval, has more registered Democrats than Republicans, but has traditionally leaned Republican in presidential contests."
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Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 08:55 PM

Why is Florida so slow?

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 09:03 PM

The Florida Republicans packed the ballot with so much junk that it was cumbersome to even vote... Throw in provisional ballots for folks voting who had been purged from the roles (by repubs) and each voter has to be deemed legally able to vote and Florida might not be in before the next presidential election...

Florida is a joke...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 09:09 PM

Bobert's got it right and the Governor has nothing at all to say but "We did they best we could." He's lying through his teeth as the Republicans did all they could do discourage Democratic voter from voting.

The Obama win margin of some 50,000 will probably climb to 100,000 if all the absentee ballots and provisional ballots are actually counted.

There are times when state officials should be put in jail for obstructing the democratic voting process. This is one of those times. I believe this is a Federal felony.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 10:51 PM

If the Florida vote were only native Floridians, the election results would be the same as in most other Southern states, because I think that native Floridians are (generally) true Southerners.

But the demographics of Florida have changes. The Gulf Coast is populated with Midwesterners - you can get Milwaukee sausage and newspapers in Sarasota. The Atlantic Coast of Florida is populated with Easterners, particularly New Yorkers - and a lot of (ERepublican) Cuban refugees to make the mix interesting.

But it seems to me that the native Floridians want the election results to go their way, so they've made a habit of fixing elections with all sorts of arcane election "reforms" that they've sneaked through the legislature.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: GUEST,999
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 05:29 AM

"There are times when state officials should be put in jail for obstructing the democratic voting process. This is one of those times. I believe this is a Federal felony."


These are the people to ask.

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 05:37 AM

""I could never figure out why you people elected Reagan and the Bush fellows.
I thought they were garbage. But you chose them.""

Well, judging by your input so far it is obvious that you have a close acquaintance with garbage Henry, but even you should have noticed that there are very few here who would have voted for any of the above.

So, more garbage from you.
Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 08:15 AM

Yes, I have little doubt that Florida voting officials made sure that their arcane rules were approved in the legal sense. But if those rules were in fact "discriminatory" there should still be a Federal cause of action. It's about time Federal investigators looked into this question, and let the chips fall where they may.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 08:27 AM

Our population is way to polarized for anyone having the courage to put forth common sense legislation at the federal level that would force states to separate out junk from federally elected officials...

It would be very easy... Voters could be given offered two ballots... One for office holders and a second for the junk... And voters should be given the option of selecting either or both...

But, like I have said, that won't happen because it makes sense...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: GUEST,999
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 08:30 AM

http://www.fec.gov/

Write to those folks. Presumably they have the authority to look into the Florida voting bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Stringsinger
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 08:30 AM

Do you really trust ABC news?

Find a more reliable impartial source.

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: GUEST,999
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 08:37 AM

Huh ??

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: TIA
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 04:00 PM

Got any information that contradicts the ABC version? Let's have a link please.

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 09:23 PM

By "you people", I think Henry probably meant the American electorate in a general sense...not the specific membership of Mudcat, Don. He doesn't like either of the Big 2 parties. He says he voted Green in this election and Libertarian in a couple of others.

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 09:33 PM

New contest has been devised...

Pick the year that the 2012 Florida election will be called and win a trip to Florida (you pay expenses)...

Winner will be awarded to the contestant who guesses to the closest decade...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: GUEST,999
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 06:28 AM

First prize is a week in Miami. Second prize is two weeks in Miami.

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 09:42 AM

Governor Rick Scott of Florida was questioned aggressively by reporters yesterday on why the elections results were still so late and why election procedures were so cumbersome. His reply to almost all their questions was: "We did the right thing!"

I wonder how much of Karl Rove's money made it to his door?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 10:12 AM

Somewhere I heard it reported that people were still queueing to vote in Florida after Romney had conceded. Can that be true?

Joe, it looks like second-third generation Cubans in Florida have gone over to the Democrats. Just one of several indicators that will play badly for the GOP in the long term. With any luck the adverse trends will provoke the Tea Party into becoming more strident, thereby sealing their fate.

In the meantime the Republicans have kept their grip on Congress, and with the popular vote close to an even split, neither side has a clear mandate. It leaves the US at risk of drifting in the face of an economic crisis that needs strong leadership. Is it not time to revisit the constitutional relationship between Congress and the White House?

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 10:45 AM

"Is it not time to revisit the constitutional relationship between Congress and the White House?"

Well, that always seems like a good idea.... until one considers exactly what a change might bring. Our system is specifically designed around the concept of "checks & balances", so if the "relationshsip" were changed to favor the White House, we'd run the risk of dictatorial powers. If in favor of Congress, we could have chaos as each new Congress decided to overturn anything the White House had signed. Our real danger is in a serious imbalance in Supreme Court justices.... which seems to have temporarily been avoided.

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 11:02 AM

Counting all the votes before announcing the result seems like commonsense to me, in any election. Doing it any other way is just inviting trouble.

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: GUEST,999
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 11:18 AM

"Counting all the votes before announcing the result seems like commonsense to me, in any election. Doing it any other way is just inviting trouble."

Yes and no, McGofH. Suppose there are 1,000,000 people who are supposed to vote. Suppose 700,000 have voted and their votes counted. One candidate has 600,000 votes. At that point, there is no question who won, even if all 300,000 uncounted votes went to the opponent along with his/her already-counted 100,000 votes. However, that aside, I agree with you.

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 11:36 AM

In Florida there are the regular votes, the absentee votes (which include the ones from overseas as well as all others who vote in advance), and the provisional ballots (those ballots which are issued when a prospective voter's status is challenged for some reason). They are should be counted, except for the provisional ballots that prove invalid.

In some states the absentee ballots from overseas (which include members of the armed forces) are permitted extra time to arrive and be counted.

So counting all the ballots is quite a job but most states do a better job than Florida does.

Charley Noble, who learned how to count at an early age

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 11:43 AM

At last count, Obama had only a 60,000 vote lead. The state has issued a Saturday night deadline; their totals must be in at that time. Poll staffs usually do a recount if the results in a precinct are close.

The final results will be announced November 20. If they are not certified, a recount of all ballots is likely.

Some (all?) ballots were ten pages in length.
In Miami-Dade, some voting lineups were still there at midnight; people voting in the wee small hours and upset, without water.

Reasons- heavy turnout, inaccurate voting lists, some machines quit working, poorly trained poll crews.

The mayor of Miami, Carlos Gimenez, said the problems were "inexcusable." Floridians are sending tons of letters complaining.

The above from International Digital Times, Nov. 10, 2012.

On election night, CNN was calling the Florida vote for Obama quite early, based on likely results from Miami-Dade and its strong Hispanic vote, and other major cities, but the vote was much closer than their prediction.

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 02:05 PM

There's been enough of this nonsense from Florida if ya ask me. If them bozos can't straighten out their mess down there and do things sensible and efficient, I say the Army Corps of Engineers should get out some heavy cuttin' and diggin' equipment, sever Florida from the rest of the USA, and float the whole damn place over to Cuba and give it to Castro! Let HIM sort it out from there.

This would make future USA elections a lot more sensible, in my opinion. Removin' Florida from the USA electoral picture is like removin' temptation from the sinner. Things could only get better. ;-D Ook! Ook!

- Chongo

p.s. There are a lotta Canadians down there too, but that's allright. Canadians love visitin' Cuba whenever they can, so it wouldn't cause any real problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 03:11 PM

A 60,000 vote spread between Obama and Romney is considerably more robust than that between Al Gore and George W. Bush in 2000, which was less than a 1000...

But this time around the Democratic candidate doesn't require a win in Florida to win the General Election. It's simply the icing on the cake!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Amos
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 04:27 PM

329 to 206 electoral votes pretty well constitutes a representative landslide.

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 04:59 PM

This just in from Florida:

"The Florida Secretary of State's Office said that with almost 100 per cent of the vote counted, Obama led Mitt Romney, his Republican challenger, 50 per cent to 49.1 per cent, a difference of about 74,000 votes.

That was over the half-per cent margin where a computer recount would have been automatically ordered unless Romney had waived it."

Guess it's all official!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 08:11 PM

Amos, you're short some votes. Obama gets 332 electoral votes to Romney's 206. What did you do with the other 3?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 08:18 PM

Hey, it's Saturday night and Amos prolly been hangin' at his local corner Weed Mart with the boys...

B:~)

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 08:20 PM

Yeah, Romney got his last 3 electoral votes from Alaska, givin' him only 206. Them people up there have their brains froze solid about half the year cos it's too damn cold. This is why I got almost no votes in Alaska. Bananas just don't keep well in a climate like that, and you won't find many Chimps livin' around Juneau or Anchorage. The one good thing about Alaska is my friend, Sarah Palin. I tried to talk her into movin' to Chicago after the 2008 election, but no dice. She says there ain't no moose to shoot at in Chicago, but Wasilla is crawlin' with them.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 11:34 AM

""By "you people", I think Henry probably meant the American electorate in a general sense...not the specific membership of Mudcat, Don.""

With respect LH, words have meanings, and if that's what he meant, then it bloody well should be what he said.

Henry's input is by turns sneering, whingeing and plain incoherent.

A real asset to debate......NOT!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 02:12 PM

Obviously there are situations where it is prety obvious whohas won. But waiting until the voted have been counted is basic good manners, as well as good sense.

Sometimes the big news in an election isn't who won, it's how the losers compared - like the time the SDP candidate was beaten by the Monster Raving Loony Party at Bootle.

Why rush things? There's all the time in the world. The results aren't going to run away.

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 02:30 PM

Well, Don, he couldn't have meant the specific membership of this forum. There are very few here who would have voted for G. W. Bush or Reagan. So I figure he must have meant the electorate in a more general sense. What mainly appears to bug Henry is that the American electorate just keeps voting either Democratic or Republican, instead of giving up on those 2 big parties and voting for something else. I would expect that was his point.

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 08:39 PM

Elsewhere he actually calls me by name to accuse me of having voted in Reagan, Bush Snr. and Jnr.

Really clever of me, living in England, to have managed to vote in US presidents wouldn't you say?

He's a goddam TROLL!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 08:51 PM

Could Congress get around these bizarre situations and have the federal government standardize, simplify and administer voting for federal candidates (House, Senate, President)?

This would let each state look after their own candidates - States' rights, and all that.

Just asking.

Jon Bartlett

Subject: RE: BS: Update on Florida Results
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 09:03 PM

Well, yeah, Jon... It would be relatively simple for the Federal Government to separate the federal and state ballots where voters could pick one or both...

You don't want to wade thru 29 pages of stupid amendments then say, "No thanks, just the federal ballot"...

That could be done but the republicans won't allow such common sense...

B~