BS: General David Petraeus Resigns

Subject: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 09:12 AM

By now the news of General David Petraeus's resignation as CIA Director because of an extramarital affair has spread from coast to coast. His biography appropriately titled All In by his ex-lover will now no doubt become a best-seller. It is a sad end to an impressive military career.

Any coherent thoughts?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 09:14 AM

I can't resist getting the ball rolling with this observation:

If you leave a trail of over a 1000 e-mails to your lover for the FBI to sift through, you're not being covert, discrete, or even average smart. General Eisenhower was more successful about concealing his extra-marital affairs, not a single e-mail!!!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: pdq
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 09:20 AM

General Eisenhower's wife Mamie was the one suggested he find a nice lady for companionship since he was going to be away for a matters of years.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 09:35 AM

From a distance, one wonders why an extra-marital affair would force a career ending resignation.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: sciencegeek
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 09:36 AM

Charlie! Shakespearian anachronisms ??? LOL

I don't that IBM was up to task of the worldwide web back then.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Nancy King
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 09:40 AM

Guest Peter -- it probably wouldn't, in many if not most careers, but head of the CIA? That's a different situation, rife with the potential for security breaches.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: sciencegeek
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 09:42 AM

From a distance, one wonders why an extra-marital affair would force a career ending resignation.

an interview with a vice-admiral in the intelligence community - I know, that oxymoron military intelligence- explained it as part of the military culture of accepting responsibility as part of leadership. earning and deserving the trust of your troops that you put in harms way

as an officer and a gentleman, he owned up to his indiscretion - though not clear how it was uncovered- and what is the honorable course of action for a military leader... oh if only Newt had as much class as that.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 09:50 AM

Not to mention leaving the Director of the CIA vulnerable to blackmail or even breaches of security. I don't mean to further impugn Mrs. Paula Broadwell; I have no reason to believe she was passing state secrets to unfriendly governments but she certainly was in position to.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 10:00 AM

Here's one hint from Al Jazeera of how the FBI got involved:

NBC News reported on its website on Friday, quoting US law-enforcement officials, that (Paula) Broadwell was under FBI investigation for improperly trying to access Petraeus' email and possibly gaining access to classified information. Broadwell had extensive access to Petraeus in Afghanistan and has given numerous television interviews speaking about him, the report said.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: meself
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 10:16 AM

I heard a pontificator pontificating this morning to the effect that the resignation had more to do with a code among commanding officers of the military, which Petraeus still adheres to, than with security or broader morality issues.

Is this necessarily an "end" to his career?

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: sciencegeek
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 10:23 AM

his role as a leader has ended... but he is still a smart & knowledgeble resource that should be consulted by the new leadership. whether he rises from the ashes can only be answered in time.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: pdq
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 10:37 AM

David Patraeus, Allen West and Stanley McChrystal are all career military men and were very highly respected in the chosen field.

What they do after they retire does not alter their standing as military heros one bit.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 11:02 AM

The other woman is thought to be Paula Broadwell, 40, who lives with her radiologist husband and two young kids here in Charlotte, NC... She is also the author of a biography of the general and spend months away from her family in the war zone... She is also a Lt. Col in the army reserves and, like Petraeus, a West Point graduate...

And between you and me, she is a looker... Not that that justifies anything they did...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 11:14 AM

I agree with the commentators on The News Hour last night - for those of us taking a rather French view of the whole thing, resignation isn't necessary. But as CIA chief it might have been a hard fought battle to stay in office if some pundits caught wind of this. And I suppose part of this has to do with what his family (spouse) response will be - if his wife is pissed and speaks publicly, it wouldn't bode well for his life in office.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 11:45 AM

From General David Petraeus's "Rules for Living":

5. We all will make mistakes. The key is to recognize them and admit them, to learn from them, and to take off the rear­ view mirrors—drive on and avoid making them again.

Instructive.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 11:48 AM

Adultery, while not a crime under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, would almost certainly be considered "conduct unbecoming" and it could be punished under this provision:

Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.

Petraeus did the right thing as an officer, if he still is in the military.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: sciencegeek
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 11:54 AM

Petraeus is retired... but having lived by those rules for his entire adult life, he did what he felt he had to.

note that Obama took an entire day before accepting his resignation... and his sorrow for Petraeus was evident during the announcement.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 12:44 PM

I heard on NPR yesterday that he told the president it was a matter of "honor" that he resign...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 03:06 PM

By resigning now General Petraeus has beaten the media to another salacious story. The media will still wallow in it for a while but the General is on his own road to recovery. I'm sure he will find some way to make good use of the rest of his life, or at least I hope so. I wish him well.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: saulgoldie
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 03:34 PM

Curiously enough, Paula Broadwell was interviewed some time back on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart promoting her book. Things sure is curious.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 03:42 PM

My cousin was a general, but I didn't write a book about it. Of course, I barely knew him.

Whatever happened to discretion? Does everyone who has had an affair have to write a book about it? I can see it now:

"Bobert: The Truth Behind The Legend"

"My Time With Amos: The Sordid, Boring Truth"

"Behind the Myth of Kendall Morse"

"Sinful SINSULL"

"Olddude or Oddude?"

"Rapparee: Scraping the Bottom"

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 04:32 PM

"Charley Noble: His Ignoble Memoirs"

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 05:44 PM

As for myself, I'm writing a fictional autobiography. What makes it fictional, you may well ask? In the book, I have a flamethrower.

Sorry for the thread creep.

General Petraeus is a most intelligent and insightful man. I can see his sense of honor and possible consequences depending on the media, his wife, his lover, etcet etcet.

I'm sorry the affair has caused his resiganation but I hope it won't keep his experience and intelligence out of positions where it could well be used.

Linn

Subject: BS: Gen. Petraeus Very Busy Man...
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 10:13 PM

Ain't like Wilt Chamberlain but...

...seems that the good General has been a busy man...

First, the foxy Paula Broadwell...

Now it's the foxy Jill Kelly...

Talk about a mid-life crisis... He should have just bought a Porsche... Was gonna get screwed either way...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Gen. Petraeus Very Busy Man...
From: Beer
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 10:18 PM

Thought you were referring to that golfer guy. What's his name??? it escapes me.
ad.

Subject: RE: BS: Gen. Petraeus Very Busy Man...
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 10:32 PM

Reminds me of the story about the general who found his old batman on the street, out of work. Offered him a position as his valet, and the batman asked, "What would my duties be, sir?"

The general replied, "Why, the same as they were in the service!"

Fella takes the job and on the first morning brings coffee into the general's bedroom, slaps the general's wife on the butt and says, "All right now, girlie! Back to the village!"

Subject: RE: BS: Gen. Petraeus Very Busy Man...
From: Songwronger
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 10:35 PM

I hope he's forced to testify about Benghazi. That seems to be why he resigned. He's either at fault, or Obama is and forced him to resign. Either way, I hope he's made to testify. He and Obama are both supremely dangerous individuals, and the testimony would destroy one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Gen. Petraeus Very Busy Man...
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 10:38 PM

If you say so, dear.

Subject: RE: BS: Gen. Petraeus Very Busy Man...
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 10:43 PM

Wronger, there's a bright future for you.   You need to start a business:   "Hyperbole R Us".

Or perhaps pulp fiction--you have a wonderfully fertile imagination.

Subject: RE: BS: Gen. Petraeus Very Busy Man...
From: MarkS
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 11:20 PM

I don't know whatall his bedroom athletics may have to do with testimony about Benghazi - seems like they were not related at all.

Unless he ignored the alarms because he was busy with .......

Subject: RE: BS: Gen. Petraeus Very Busy Man...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 01:26 AM

There hasn't been a single fuck-up in thirty years that hasn't been somehow connected with the CIA. Anyone else notice that?

Subject: RE: BS: Gen. Petraeus Very Busy Man...
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 08:40 AM

I half agree with the wronger...

If there is anything that Petraeus knows about Benghazi that *no one* else knows in the CIA, then yes, he should be the one to testify... But I find that doubtful...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Gen. Petraeus Very Busy Man...
From: Arkie
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 10:03 AM

I agree that if there was something amiss in the intelligence community in Benghazi we should look into it. But wonder where Wrongie and all the righteous repubs were when the twin powers were hit. Probably discussing who to invade and which oil field to liberate. On this occasion they were voting against approving funds for diplomatic secruity. What did they know?

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 10:36 AM

The timing of the Petraeus resignation does raise questions about the relationship between the FBI Director, the Chair of the Security Council, and the President.

I suppose if there was no evidence of a national security breach, then the whole affair could be considered more of a personal embarrassment to be settled when it was convenient to settle it, such as after the General Election. But Petraeus was the Director of the CIA and I certainly think the FBI should have alerted the White House of its investigations some time sooner, given that it started its investigation in the summer.

Oh, well, all the sordid and mundane details will be laid out at length soon. And I'm sure the CIA is not missing a step in its business of policing the world and exterminating terrorists, alleged or otherwise.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Wesley S
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 12:26 PM

According to Glenn Beck the President must have known about the affair for a long time and chose now to "out" Petraeus to that he wouldn't spill the beans to congress and tell what he knows about the 9/11 attacks in Libya.

In the Glenn Beck universe Barack Obama = Professor Moriarty

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 01:58 PM

So Glenn Beck will be called by the House Republican investigating committee to testify as an expert witness?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Stringsinger
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 02:35 PM

I am skeptical that his career was that great. He urged the surge in Iraq and was a hawk beyond reason. I think that his affair should be held against him since I believe that public officials who do that can't be trusted.

This is redolent of John Edwards in that the ego becomes large enough to cause a downfall and a small character emerges.

I had reservations about Bill Clinton too. Even Eisenhower and Roosevelt had affairs.
Eleanor was hurt badly by the Warm Springs affair with Lucy by FDR. He died in another woman's arms.

Kennedy was known as "Jack the Zipper".

You can separate actions from the person but still I think this stuff matters regardless of how important that person becomes.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: gnu
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 04:49 PM

You can separate church and state but not dick and state.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Nov 12 - 10:20 PM

Stringsinger-

I think Petraeus was the best general we've had in the last 10 years or so. Now the war in Iraq itself should never have been started, and GWB and his neocons were totally responsible for orchestrating it. Petraeus did the messy job of extracting us from Iraq while providing necessary training for the new Iraqi government. He was indeed a hawk, but one who followed orders; he was no Patton or MacArthur. Unfortunately, like so many others you've mentioned, he failed with regard to personal morality and that does matter.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: ITs a Jerry Springer world afterall.
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 08:54 AM

There is a tremendous number of jobs opening to investigate the sexual misbehavior of Americans who happen to have a trace of fame. This is now the leading economic indicator of how well the Stimlus package has helped create many new jobs.

The sheer number of targets for this pink journalism has gone from the supermarket rag sheets to the big time. Never mind the fiscal cliff, what the world needs to know is who touched a broad's dirty parts and who kissed who's dingle whompous, or in most cases, a dinky whimpus.

If you want a job in this expanding career I suggest you start in your neighborhood and then expand to work, goverment and the military.
The floodgates are open now that priests and coaches are not automatically guaranteed imunity from prosecution. In this emerging police state rife with cameras and mega google quantum computers recording every email twit and phone call, the number of lives ruined is limitless.

The old phrase, 'if your not guilty you don't have anything to worry about when it comes to the total elimination of privacy.

**********************

Current sex scandals in the global news market: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Petraus
Gen. Adams
BBC president resigns over announcer's sex history/
Friend of general's, mistresss to the wife of her friends lover
Jerry Sandusky has affair in prison without condom or lube
Elmo's handler investigated for having a teenage friend.
Washingtom accused of snuggling at Valley Forge
Jefferson investigated for having sex with his wife's half sister.
Bill CLinton, the Ohio carpenter, not the President.
Rapperee investigated for misconduct with a goat's head?
Bobert investigated for switch hitting auto erotica by using non dominant hand.
Amos: the investgation has taken a turn that con not ever be discussed on mudcat.

The sex reporting crowd win whether they get a story or not much the same as a Wall St. broker can win for losing.
IF someone is not having sex, WHY NOT and Whats up with that?



Oh Bobert you are right about a Benghazi connection only its not what people thought.

On the night in question Petraus' personal calander said he was to be at a screening of the new Hanks film and was seen there...prior to slipping out when the lights went down. He was unreachable for two hours when he finally leaned that every resuce team was 4 hours away from getting a response team to the Libyan consulate (its not an embassy folks) The real delay came from a middle amnager who held back the available response team because only 3 guys were available and they were waiting for another 8. By the book a partial team is not authorized to go. Did Bhengazi get attacked because PEtraus went to a video but snuck out and got his dingus gulped? Congressman KIng wants to know. oh oh he needs to know soooo bad ooo.


But anyway, the careers opening up in sex investigation are good for the economy but takes a person with balls willing to go All In and plunge in head first to get the truth to come forth.


Ways to get the detailed story for novices... Organize wife pity parties. They will get together and spread some REALLY good dirt.

Go to chat rooms and fish for who also had sex with X (X can be any innocent person chosen at random.

Ask Spaw.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 09:25 AM

Now the media focus has shifted to the other other woman, Jill Kelly, the one who got anonymous harassing e-mails from Broadwell (if anyone has lost count). Kelly is alleged to have had a relationship with our current commanding general in Afghanistan (ABC News):

Gen. John Allen, commander of the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan, is under investigation for alleged "inappropriate communications" with Jill Kelley, the woman who is said to have received threatening emails from Paula Broadwell, the woman with whom former CIA Director David Petraeus had an extramarital affair.

The FBI has uncovered "potentially inappropriate" emails between Allen and Kelly, according to a senior U.S. defense official who is traveling with Defense Secretary Leon Panetta. The department is reviewing between 20,000 and 30,000 documents connected to this matter, the official said. The email exchanges between Kelley and Allen took place from 2010 to 2012.

How in hell is a general supposed to conduct a war these days with all this media scrutiny!!! Did potentially "inappropriate communications" include erotic photos or what? Maybe they included a link to Mudcat BS or clips from the Jon Daily Show?

I'm not sure my inquiring mind wants to know.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 10:04 AM

Apparently many of "you" feel that a coherent comment regarding the Petraeus resignation involves the details of who did what, touched what, emailed what and when did they do it, are all the important relevant issues to be disected and understood.

For me the issue of what is important and what is privacy are the actual concepts to be learned and understood.

Anything else is just gossip sheet worship unworthy of what inquiring minds need or want to know.
Charley knows that, do "you".

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 10:22 AM

Satire alert


Become a sex scandal investigator TODAY
DON"T WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF, 'if you're not guilty you don't have anything to worry about when it comes to the total elimination of privacy today.
There are a tremendous number of jobs opening to investigate the sexual misbehavior of Americans who happen to have a trace of fame. This is now the leading economic indicator of how well the Stimulus package has helped create many new jobs.

The sheer number of targets for this pink journalism has gone from the supermarket rag sheets to the big time. Never mind the fiscal cliff, what the world needs to know is who touched a broad's dirty parts and who kissed who's dingle whompous, or in most cases, a dinky whimpus.

If you want a job in this expanding career I suggest you start in your neighborhood and then expand to work, government and the military.
The floodgates are open now that priests and coaches are not automatically guaranteed imunity from prosecution. In this emerging police state rife with cameras and mega google quantum computers recording every email twit and phone call, the number of lives ruined is limitless. Learn new ways to get the detailed story for novices... Organize wife pity parties. They will get together and spread some REALLY good dirt. Go to chat rooms and fish for who also had sex with X (X can be any innocent person chosen at random. Ask Spaw, he is bound to know.
The sex scandal business is limitless!

**********************

Current sex scandals in the global news market: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Petraus
Gen. Adams
BBC president resigns over announcer's sex history/
Friend of general's, mistress to the wife of her friends lover
Jerry Sandusky has affair in prison without condom or lube
Elmo's handler investigated for having a teenage friend.
Washington accused of snuggling at Valley Forge
Jefferson investigated for having sex with his wife's half sister.
Bill Clinton, the Ohio carpenter, not the President.
Rapperee investigated for misconduct with a goat's head?
Bobert investigated for switch hitting auto erotica by using non dominant hand.
Amos: the investigation has taken a turn that con not ever be discussed on mudcat.

The sex reporting crowd win whether they get a story or not much the same as a Wall St. broker can win for losing.
IF someone is not having sex, WHY NOT and Whats up with that?



Oh Bobert you are right about a Benghazi connection only its not what people thought.

On the night in question Petraus' personal calendar said he was to be at a screening of the new Hanks film and was seen there...prior to slipping out when the lights went down. He was unreachable for two hours when he finally learned that every resuce team was 4 hours away from getting a response team to the Libyan consulate (it's not an embassy folks) The real delay came from a middle manager who held back the available response team because only 3 guys were available and they were waiting for another 8. By the book a partial team is not authorized to go. Did Bhengazi get attacked because Gen. Petraeus went to a video but snuck out and got his dingus gulped? Congressman KIng wants to know. oh oh he needs to know soooo bad ooo.


….. anyway, the careers' opening up in sex investigation are good for the economy but takes a person with balls willing to go All In and plunge in head first to get the truth to come forth.

Subject: RE: BS: Gen. Petraeus Very Busy Man...
From: Stringsinger
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 10:26 AM

It seems the General is 007. He's getting pussy galore.

Subject: RE: BS: Gen. Petraeus Very Busy Man...
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 10:33 AM

He's in, All In

a new meaning to "counter" insurgency?

Under the desk over the rainbow

Like CLinton's investigation it is time to get pictures of the General's dick and descriptions (for decorum's sake) of her twat.

yawn

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 10:38 AM

Donuel-

Thanks so much for your appreciation of my last post.

And your new list has exhausted what little energy I have left to pursue the relevant prurient stories to their inevitable climax...

Beside I have to read my newly acquired book All In, the new edition with the fold-out glossy photo.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Stringsinger
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 10:41 AM

Petaeus was responsible for the escalation in Iraq; that is provable.
He does not deserve the accolades he is given.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 10:42 AM

This just in

Rush LImbaugh just fucked himself. He has now joined the ranks of people such as Pee Wee Hermanm, General George Patton and Dick Army.

Subject: RE: BS: Gen. Petraeus Very Busy Man...
From: Stringsinger
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 10:42 AM

It's amazing how much "national security" information can be divulged in bed.

Subject: RE: BS: Gen. Petraeus Very Busy Man...
From: olddude
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 10:47 AM

Bobster
I love ya but I disagree completely, that is really between he and his wife and completely personal. I don't care at all and don't look at others bedrooms. Now he resigned, I think America lost one of the best military minds since Ike in WWII or Monty.

We are not safer losing him for sure.