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Chord Req: Playing C Augmented - Piano Accordion

GUEST,MerseyMcKev 16 Nov 12 - 04:23 AM
Mr Happy 16 Nov 12 - 04:41 AM
GUEST,Grishka 16 Nov 12 - 06:24 AM
GUEST,leeneia 16 Nov 12 - 11:32 AM
GUEST 16 Nov 12 - 01:02 PM
GUEST,999 16 Nov 12 - 04:05 PM
GUEST,Grishka 17 Nov 12 - 04:07 PM
GUEST,999 17 Nov 12 - 04:09 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 18 Nov 12 - 04:19 AM
Stringsinger 18 Nov 12 - 01:48 PM
GUEST,Grishka 18 Nov 12 - 02:48 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 19 Nov 12 - 02:09 AM
GUEST,Joseph Rodberg 03 Jun 14 - 05:09 PM
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Subject: Chord Req: Playing C Augmented - Piano Accordion
From: GUEST,MerseyMcKev
Date: 16 Nov 12 - 04:23 AM

Hi Everyone
I spent a pleasant evening playing my mandolin and piano accordion and going through my old song books. I played 'Raining in my Heart' by Buddy Holly, which has a very pleasant chord combination going from C to C+ then to Am and C7 etc. When I tried playing it on the piano accordion [which I have only been playing for just over a year] I realised I didn't know how to play Augmented chords on the bass buttons.
Is this possible?
If so is there somebody out there who can tell me how it is done?
Many thanks.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Playing C Augmented - Piano Accordion
From: Mr Happy
Date: 16 Nov 12 - 04:41 AM

http://www.accordionforum.co.uk/index.php


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Playing C Augmented - Piano Accordion
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 16 Nov 12 - 06:24 AM

There are "professional" accordions with extra columns for diminished and augmented chords. I assume you do not have one of these.

In theory, you could press the three single bass notes, but that would sound horrible. You have two options:
  1. Only play the bass note C with your left hand, and try to keep E and G# sounding on the right hand side
  2. Play C for bass note, and E major for chord - perfectly OK for American music.
Have fun.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Playing C Augmented - Piano Accordion
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 16 Nov 12 - 11:32 AM

Hi, Mersey. I decided to read some about augmented chords, but I've never understood them. So, to sum up.

To augment a note is to make it sharp by one-half step. An augmented G, for example, is G#. And although supposedly one could sharp any note in a chord, an augmented chord is usually one where the fifth note (out of the 1-3-5 chord) is the agumented one.

Caug is C E G# instead of C E G.

Obviously, one cannot build augmented chords unless one knows the notes that make up the chords being used. If all you know about the C chord is that you push the C button, then you're stymied.

Grishka's advice is right on the mark, but to apply those techniques to other chords, you have to know what notes make up those chords. I realize that you may know them all, Mersey; I'm writing for whoever may come along and read this.

I have something to add. I have found that editors will put fancy chord names on a piece, but if the unusual note is in the melody, you can have the chord be a simple one. The melody player doing the odd note and the accompaninest doing the basic chord will construct the harmony together. And sometimes the whole piece sounds better that way.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Playing C Augmented - Piano Accordion
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 12 - 01:02 PM

Thank you Mr. Happy, Grishka and leeneia for taking the trouble to reply to my thread and for your helpful suggestions.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Playing C Augmented - Piano Accordion
From: GUEST,999
Date: 16 Nov 12 - 04:05 PM

The following may be coal to Newcastle, but if not . . .
It's from Wikipedia. Sorry the headings don't line up.

Chord        Root Major Third Augmented Fifth

Caug        C        E        G♯
C♯aug        C♯        E♯ (F)        G (A)
D♭aug        D♭        F        A
Daug        D        F♯        A♯
D♯aug        D♯        F (G)        A (B)
E♭aug        E♭        G        B
Eaug        E        G♯        B♯ (C)
Faug        F        A        C♯
F♯aug        F♯        A♯        C (D)
G♭aug        G♭        B♭        D
Gaug        G        B        D♯
G♯aug        G♯        B♯ (C)        D (E)
A♭aug        A♭        C        E
Aaug        A        C♯        E♯ (F)
A♯aug        A♯        C (D)        E (F♯)
B♭aug        B♭        D        F♯
Baug        B        D♯        F (G)


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Playing C Augmented - Piano Accordion
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 17 Nov 12 - 04:07 PM

Sorry, 999, it is not pure anthracite you are carrying here. You dropped the double-sharp symbols. We could fix that, but it is not worth the trouble, since everyone can easily look it up where it is from, with further explanations.

Likewise useful are diminished chords and other types of "seventh" chords. Study them carefully and use them judiciously, if you play 20th century popular music.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Playing C Augmented - Piano Accordion
From: GUEST,999
Date: 17 Nov 12 - 04:09 PM

Thanks, Grishka. Must have been lost in the cut and paste. Again, thanks.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Playing C Augmented - Piano Accordion
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 04:19 AM

Take a look here :

www.accordionpage.com/basar.html

Then follow the link to "left hand comboning."

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

I consider this to be the standard bass of a keyboard accordian - the style I muck around with.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Playing C Augmented - Piano Accordion
From: Stringsinger
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 01:48 PM

Let's be real pedantic here and say that there is a difference between an augmented triad and an augmented seventh (four notes). The corollary is the diminished chord wherein the triad sounds ugly and the diminished seventh (four notes) is mostly used.

If in the bass row, you can eliminate the fifth of the major or minor chord, you can play the augmented note with the right hand.

The augmented and diminished chord is rarely used in trad folk music.

This is probably why I am a guitar player and not an accordionist since I use
those chords all the time.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Playing C Augmented - Piano Accordion
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 02:48 PM

Stringsinger, I am not sure whether all of us understood what you mean. If you are referring to my option 2. above, you are of course right that it does not result in in a pure Caug, but in a Caugmaj7.

However, the standard progression mentioned by the OP can easily, and even more "classically", be interpreted as the following, where the C in the bass is an "organ point":

X:1
T:Study
M:4/4
L:1/2
K:C
V:Soprano
G ^G A _B
V:Alto
E4
V:Tenor
C B, A, G,
V:Bass
C,4

(The second chord is the one in question).

Of course, we all know that chord sections of free-reed instruments are a xxxxxxxxx compromise.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Playing C Augmented - Piano Accordion
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 19 Nov 12 - 02:09 AM

There is enough on the link listed above to give me practice through the end of the fiscal cliff. Some interesting sounds.

Most surprised...our Good Soldier Bird's Eye has not checked into this thread.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Blues/Jazz on the piano is frequently an unresolved, accidental corner I have cycled myself into ... on the accordian ...it is virgin territory ... an area I never considered...Thank You Mersey


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Playing C Augmented - Piano Accordion
From: GUEST,Joseph Rodberg
Date: 03 Jun 14 - 05:09 PM

IDK but visit Piano Chords It may help


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