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theleveller 22 Nov 12 - 04:35 AM
GUEST,Big Al Whittle 22 Nov 12 - 04:41 AM
GUEST,FloraG 22 Nov 12 - 06:27 AM
GUEST,henryp 22 Nov 12 - 06:49 AM
LesB 22 Nov 12 - 07:49 AM
GUEST,gUEST 22 Nov 12 - 07:54 AM
Girl Friday 22 Nov 12 - 07:59 AM
GUEST,Guest 22 Nov 12 - 07:59 AM
*#1 PEASANT* 22 Nov 12 - 08:11 AM
C Stuart Cook 22 Nov 12 - 08:12 AM
GUEST,penrith pete 22 Nov 12 - 08:43 AM
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Subject: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 01:48 AM

The nominations for the BBC Folk Awards are now on the website, http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00yrkrj/features/folk-awards-2013-nominees.

Lights blue touch paper, retires to safe distance ....


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: Continuity Jones
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 02:52 AM

Well, where's Prince Harry's Knob? Tsk.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 04:12 AM

Under his hat.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: Betsy
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 04:31 AM

What about best live performer(s) - someone(s) who is honestly gigging around the country for you and I to see, who constantly gives performances which uplifts the audiences. Are we not allowed to vote for the likes of Martin Simpson , Martin Whyndam Reed, Vin Garbutt , The Wilson Family ? or has this descended into a purely Studio-based-recordings voting system. I've never heard of more than half of them - or is it ME just losing touch?
Anyway this listing of nominees holds no attraction to me whatsoever.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: theleveller
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 04:35 AM

"What about best live performer(s) - someone(s) who is honestly gigging around the country for you and I to see, who constantly gives performances which uplifts the audiences."

There seems to be plenty of those nominated. Bellowhead, Blair Dunlop, Katriona Gilmore and Jamie Roberts, just for starters.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 04:41 AM

Love that
You might also like - Mike Harding's Show
(but don't get too attached to it!)


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 06:27 AM

The problem is - we all know these people are good because they do travel. Why do they need the awards?
I would be more interested if the awards went to the unsung heroes
- people who have run a folk club for 30 years
- people who organise festivals - major or minor
- good local performers who choose not to travel but enliven any sing around
- people who call at their local dance group every week
-pubs that have a folk night or are especially welcoming.
- morris musicians and performers
etc.

It could be done by listners nominating them - not by votes.
FloraG


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 06:49 AM

These are national awards, but I'd support a Local Hero award. The Folk Club of the Year was a step in that direction - it could have grown into an award for services to a community.

This year you are invited to vote for the Folk Album of the Year from;
Broadside – Bellowhead
Ground Of Its Own - Sam Lee
Race The Loser – Lau
Skulk - Jim Moray
Traces - Karine Polwart

There are many performers who deserve recognition. Perhaps winners this year should not be considered for an award next year.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: LesB
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 07:49 AM

Help I've been censored. At the top of this thread when the OP says "Lights blue touch paper, retires to safe distance "
and I thought here we go again & put a sarcastic/light hearted comment "YawnZZZZZZZ".
A little purile I suppose, but thats what I thought at the time. No worse than the comment about Prince Harry.
But my post has diassapeared!
Who censored me?
Cheers Les


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,gUEST
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 07:54 AM


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: Girl Friday
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 07:59 AM

I'm pleased to see local boy Luke Jackson in the nominations twice. He has worked hard on our local circuit to get there. The rest ? Apart from the unknowns (rightly so), in the Young Folk Awards... it's very much business as before isn't it? I agree with Flora G's point. Recognition of grass roots folkies by their peers would be a great idea.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 07:59 AM

Apparently Jim Moray is now on the Governing body of the EFDSS - under his real name!?

My resignations in the post.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 08:11 AM

Most likely all commercial artists so it should be the commercial folk awards

Conrad


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: C Stuart Cook
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 08:12 AM

Gobsmacking narrow profile of nominees. What a surprise there's none of the likes of Pete Coe, Vin Garbutt, Alistair Anderson, The Askew Sisters, Lucy Ward, Clive Gregson, Phil Hare. The list could be endless.

I can only say that over my fifty years of watching/listening to folk and seeing some pretty crabby, weak and poor performances there is only one that I've ever been at where I thought they should have been sued for misrepresenatation, Where the performance was so poor that they lost the audience who were left with nothing better to do than chat amongst themselves despite thair inbuilt reluctance to be so rude. The artist rsponsible is up there in these listings.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,penrith pete
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 08:43 AM

Can't you tell us who it was, I wouldn't like to stumble into that one??!!


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: Johnny J
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 08:57 AM

Elsewhere(On Footstompin'), I made the following comments.

"I'm not going to moan too much about these(It's become a habit) but I'd suggest that they are still predictable.
Yes, there are many more younger nominees but it is still mostly "the establishment" albeit the "new" establishment.

There's also plenty of Scottish acts...really, there are especially if you think in terms of the size and population of the countries. However, they too are the names whom you would expect to see nominated. Of course, they are very worthy but they only represent a small part of what's going on up here.

I can't really complain about any of the nominees and certainly not about the artists on an individual basis. They are all very talented and entertaining but the overall list still seems to convey an overall impression of a somewhat narrow clique.

Having said all that, I'm not sure that the system adopted by our own Scots Trad Awards is necessarily the way to go either, i.e. everybody and their granny gets nominated at sometime or other and they even win on occasion!
It's as if a deliberate effort is being made to give everyone a chance just so they all are recognised in some way. It's the opposite extreme from The Radio Two awards but it's not without its flaws and issues either.

Maybe it's just the whole concept of awards which is wrong?"


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 09:02 AM

What a surprise there's none of the likes of . . . Lucy Ward,

Lucy Ward won something last year (or was it the year before? it's all a blur). Best blue hair or something like that.

Damed impertinence that they should start giving most of the awards to people who are under 50 though, especially ones who are popular. What hope now for clapped out old timeservers who can't get arrested?


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,addison
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 09:55 AM

The only thing that is more predictable about some of the names on the list .... are the annual and identical complaints here.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 10:12 AM

Look on the bright side. If froots were doing it, it would be won by the Zulu Mime arists of Uzbekhistan every year.

And lets face it, that sort of thingis allright for Sidmouth - but you wouldn't make much on the raffle that night.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,Reinhard
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 10:41 AM

All five albums nominated for the Folk Album of the Year are on the shortlist for the fRoots Critics Poll too. So they must be really good, mustn't they?   (I'd rather have one of these five albums replaced by Fay Hield's Orfeo but you can't always win ...)


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 11:10 AM

Excellent to see Kathryn Roberts and Sean Lakeman in there...and Luke Jackson too (who is superb!)but...where are Coope Boyes & Simpson, the Young 'Uns and Seth Lakeman (who is still bringing in more young people to folk music than any other artist I'd imagine)...and of course, those Gorgeous Oysters... :0)


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,Folknacious Ken still minus cookie
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 11:20 AM

Look on the bright side. If froots were doing it, it would be won by the Zulu Mime arists of Uzbekhistan every year.

As GUEST Reinhard pointed out, all five of the Albums nominations are also in this year's Froots Poll nominees list, and if you read the "rules & regulations" page on the BBC web site you'll find that the editor of Froots is one of the smaller nominating panel for New Song & Traditional Track this year. But hey, never let the facts get in the way of a good bonkers rant theory.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 12:15 PM

And don't let your sycophantic support for people who have turned folk music into a colossal bore that not even publicly funded radio cares to support, be hampered by a sense of humour.

When i was a kid, i used to encounter guys like you on bus outings. If the driving had been particularrly slow an sick making, there was invariably a bloke like Ken taking a cap round, for us to show our appreciation to the driver. I bet Ken's ancestors were taking the cap round for the captain and crew when The Titanic went down.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 12:53 PM

I've nothing against the people who have been nominated. I just know that there are people in my local area who are as good if not better who have not been nominated.
I'm just not sure why people who have already produced cds and presumably sold quite a lot of them need an award. I'm not sure they are likely to sell any more - those of us who buy cds have already bought them, and the people who book artists already know about them.
I can undestand the youngsters getting awards. There was a time when it was easy to get tickets for the competition and it was a useful night out for the friend who came with me as she regularly books artists.
Perhaps mudcat could set up its own awards. I think it would be more interesting.
FloraG


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 01:14 PM

Personally I find the whole thing a bore but if it keeps folk music in the public eye then that's good. Once you get the punters through the door they can find out about all the others.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,Mavis Enderby
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 03:06 PM

It might just be that your "joke" was a bit crap, Al.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 03:18 PM

I only caught 5 minutes of it and am not one to catch up but it was good to hear a nomination for the wonderfully talented and gorgeous Kathryn Tickell.

Just my opinion of course :-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: theleveller
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 03:32 PM

Looks like a pretty good list - some real original talent in there.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,Desi C
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 03:44 PM

Not a very inspired list, but at least there are one or two younger names


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,Brightside?
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 07:01 PM

I'm both staggered and heartened that a genre of music that suffers such a glut of in-house bitching bothers to run an awards ceremony. But I'm very glad they see beyond it and do it anyway.

It surely helps to attract new listeners and fans, and therefore more money, therefore keeping it alive and fresh. It will not evolve otherwise. It's not the only way to raise awareness, but it's a very high profile way. Pretty damn proud actually that our music is being represented by so much talent. Good luck to them all, and thanks and well done to the organisers who must put a lot of work in every year.

It's not just an awards ceremony, it's a celebration and a showcase and an excuse to ooze with pride because we're part of it all. Well that's just how I feel anyway.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: Betsy
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 07:18 PM

It's all too silly


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,Gem
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 07:45 PM

The Wilsons!!!! How can this group be overlooked, these Awards are a Sham.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 08:16 PM

Yes crap joke - not black vitriolic hatred of worthy folk people - however daft and misguided....


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,Miss gadget
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 08:45 PM

No Melrose Quartet? The best band I saw a Towersey this year.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: Vic Smith
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 06:29 AM

We could all name people that we feel should have been nominated and are not. That's because there is a huge element of individual taste involved. My contention would be that the whole thing is a farce, that those nominated will often have efficient publicity machine behind them to see that the profile of those nominated is kept high and those who do not want to play this game - many of whom are named above - are left out.

The Folk Awards are just one sympton of the modern folk scene being drawn into the machinations of the mainstream music industry. The Folk Awards are an attempt to allow a small panel of 'experts' to tell the public who and what is good and who and what is not. Well, I, for one, would like to be left alone to make my own quirky decisions in that area, thank you very much

Last night at our club we had a large and enthusiastic crowd under the spell of a multi-instrumentalist octogenarian ex-pat New Yorker and I shall be high on what I got from that magical performance for days. The name of the person involved does not appear on any annual award short list, but I have been booking him regularly since 1969 and he has never been anything other than excellent.

Let's look briefly at the nominations in one category:-

BEST TRADITIONAL TRACK

    Lord Douglas by Jim Moray
    Tha Sneachd' air Druim Uachdair by Kathleen MacInnes
    Unknown Air by Duncan Chisholm
    Wild Wood Amber by Sam Lee


The choice is between a fiddle air which may or may not be traditional, a song sung in Gaelic selected by a panel of non-Gaels and two modern treatments of a traditional song and a ballad. Are we comparing like for like here to find a 'winner'? Can't we just these are all really worth a listen, but then so are dozens of others recorded this year?

Moving on from the Mike Harding era should be well marked by the BBC dropping this meaningless nonsense.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,john
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 07:04 AM

it is all a waste of time and money, success is measured by how many gigs you get and CD's you sell


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 07:27 AM

I guess the thing about us all swimming in a fairly small bowl is that we feel we can see all the other fish. I like the ones with the ........ oh, never mind. I guees this is the best place to make blunt comments and poor jokes - almost nobody reads any of it anyway.

As Magnus Magnuson said when challenged about the quiz Mastermind: "It's only a bl**dy quiz"

Paraphrase it your self and better still go and sing or play a tune in public

Best wishes

Les


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 12:47 AM

Poem

I know that in one sense
Its 'meaningless nonsense'
But why SO overwrought?
If its of no import....


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 06:08 AM

I think the results of awards nominations and talent type competitions are to a large extent meaningless.
The winners are the most popular of those entered.
The best performer is your personal favourite,whether or not they were entered.
Any artist who consistently draws a good following must be among the better performers in the field even if you cannot stand the sight or sound of them.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: Vic Smith
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 07:09 AM

Because in spite of it being nonsense and meaningless, it seems to be leading us in a direction that I, for one, disprove of.
I don't want to see a small number of 'folk stars' promoted by the mainstream music industry as yet another form of media controlled passive entertainment. I want it to be able to continue as a form of involving community music that is available to all-comers.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 07:33 AM

Which is better? Folk music hidden away in the back rooms of shabby pubs sung by and to a decreasing and ageing audience of revivalists largely out of touch with popular culture, or the chance - however small - that the tiny array of great talent on show an annual event like this may snare just a few people from the wider public into discovering and listening to lots more. If you don't open the door a fraction and shine some light inside, it may all wither.

And do you really begrudge the artists who spend their lives dedicated to this music a little chance to make the difference between keeping on and giving up? It's all very well for the legions of comfy middle class school teachers & civil servants to enjoy their little bit of folk fun once a week padded by their salaries, pensions and foreign holidays. What about the (folk) workers?

The importance is not who wins or get the breaks/exposure - it's that SOMEBODY does, which then helps the music and all the rest of us. A little bit of a star system is a small sacrifice to make in order to help this great music thrive.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 07:38 AM

"I want it to be able to continue as a form of involving community music that is available to all-comers. "

Couldn't agree more Vic but if some folkies are good enough and popular enough in the 'mainstream' shouldn't they have a chance to make a decent living? Yes I know they will get exploited and misrepresented but that seems to happen to a lot of musicians anyway.

Folk events are not always managed or promoted very well, check the number of folk websites that are either dead or wildly out of date. Musicians who depend on the folkie world must live in trepidation

Best wishes

Les


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards nominations
From: Girl Friday
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 07:58 AM

Something weird is happening. I posted here, and got a "Page could not be found" page. Let's Try again

"Perhaps mudcat could set up its own awards. I think it would be more interesting.
FloraG "

That happened . The Good Intent still proudly states their well-deserved "Best Singaround Award" from 2007.

Five years on, should we do it again ?


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