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BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact

Bobert 29 Nov 12 - 06:45 PM
kendall 29 Nov 12 - 07:07 PM
sciencegeek 29 Nov 12 - 07:23 PM
GUEST,Stim 29 Nov 12 - 07:27 PM
Bobert 29 Nov 12 - 07:32 PM
GUEST,Stim 29 Nov 12 - 07:34 PM
GUEST,Stim 29 Nov 12 - 07:36 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Nov 12 - 07:39 PM
Bobert 29 Nov 12 - 07:44 PM
kendall 29 Nov 12 - 08:15 PM
Bobert 29 Nov 12 - 08:21 PM
JohnInKansas 29 Nov 12 - 09:11 PM
GUEST 29 Nov 12 - 09:31 PM
JohnInKansas 29 Nov 12 - 09:44 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Nov 12 - 09:52 PM
Bobert 29 Nov 12 - 09:56 PM
gnu 29 Nov 12 - 10:07 PM
Songwronger 29 Nov 12 - 10:51 PM
Peter K (Fionn) 29 Nov 12 - 11:06 PM
Henry Krinkle 29 Nov 12 - 11:06 PM
GUEST,TIA 30 Nov 12 - 07:36 AM
freda underhill 30 Nov 12 - 07:52 AM
GUEST,999 30 Nov 12 - 10:13 AM
Mr Red 30 Nov 12 - 10:43 AM
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Subject: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 06:45 PM

It has been reported that an area of the Arctic Polar equal to the size of the United States melted this past year!!!

WOW!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: kendall
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 07:07 PM

All these killer storms will go all by unnoticed right up until Florida goes under.


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: sciencegeek
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 07:23 PM

the loss of polar ice is bad news for everyone... but the first to suffer are the native peoples who are literally losing their homes & villages to winter storms because the protective ice is gone...

the loss of ice also endangers the polar bears that go out on the ice to hunt seals...

and it just goes on....


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 07:27 PM

Would it kill you learn how to make a blue clicky, Bobert?
NY Times Article


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 07:32 PM

Yes, Stim... I probably would...

How about coming to visit me... We'll put you up in a guest room fit for a king, feed you like a king and booze you up like a king... All ya' gotta do is teach us how to use out computer... We got all these grandchildren who won't make the time...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 07:34 PM

Be carefully what you offer, Bobert, I might never leave:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 07:36 PM

Oh, and I forgot to post this clip from the article above:

"Some scientists who have long doubted that a human influence could be clearly discerned in the Arctic's changing climate now agree that the trend is hard to ascribe to anything else.

"We used to argue that a lot of the variability up to the late 1990s was induced by changes in the winds, natural changes not obviously related to global warming," said John Michael Wallace, a scientist at the University of Washington. "But changes in the last few years make you have to question that. I'm much more open to the idea that we might have passed a point where it's becoming essentially irreversible.""


Thank you, "Mr. Science"...


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 07:39 PM

Wow!..I thought Barrack Hussein Obama promised to lower the oceans by 3", when he ran the first time...what happened??

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 07:44 PM

Here's my beef...

99% of climatologists believe that human activity is warming the planet...

1% disagree...

Each get 50% of media/microphone time....

That's messed up...

I have mentioned in the past my late father-in-law who only had a BS in "horticulture" from a small mid-western college and ended up as the foremost expert on oil spills as a lobbyist for API (American Petroleum Institute) and testified to Congress after the Exxon Valdez oil spill to don't-worry-be-happy because "nature would take care of it"???

WTF???

He was even on TV news???

I mean, a f'n bachelors degree in flowers and shrubs???

Beam me up, Scotty...

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: kendall
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 08:15 PM

I don't put much stock in what some scientist who is in the pocket of the oil and coal companies says, when I look out my window and see Cardinals, Buzzard and Possum, that all the evidence I need. 20n years ago we would never see these critters.


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 08:21 PM

Well, the scientist say
It'll all wash away
But we don't believe in them
anymore...

What scientists??? Like my late pa-in-law scientist???

Yo, GfinS... Get back on yer anti-hate meds... They are blinding yo from holding a reasonable conversation... BTW, Obama didn't kidnap the Lindberg baby... I know... Horrors... The who could have do it???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 09:11 PM

It might (or not) be worth noting that the linked article from NYT was first published in 2007. Rather a long time back in the debates about human influence on global temperatures, but quite relevant as showing that early concerns have changed little over a time span that is approaching significance in separating fossil fuel emmission influences from "normal weather fluctuations."

Unfortunately it looks very similar to the articles relating to the same climate dynamics being published right now, although for arctic regions the most recent concerns have been somewhat more over melting in large parts of the permafrost areas.

Similar to kendall's note, armadillas recently not seen north of the Texas border are now thriving in Nebraska and have been reported even farther north. Perhaps of more concern to some, a number of nasty insects have made similar northward migrations within the last decade or so, killing large forest areas. Loss of the carbon sequestering capabilities of the forests is accompanied by decay of the dead wood and release of additional greenhouse gases.

It's very much a dynamic problem, and one can only guess which processes will run away fastest. We're apparently not winning in any of the races, even just in the ones we've figured out we're signed up in.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 09:31 PM

Sorry, I posted the wrong NYT link (tho it's all good). Here's on from Sept 19, 2012. I posted the NYT rather than some other links that are more recent, because the NYT is more familiar. There are still people out there who don't want to believe this, including some Mudcatters.

The NYT Article about Arctic Melting in 2012


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 09:44 PM

The last link confirms that news isn't always all that new. It's most discouraging when the bad news on something of importance doesn't change all that much, or just gets worse.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 09:52 PM

There's no 'hate' in my post...I just reminded you of his 'promise'..you know, like Gitmo!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 09:56 PM

No, GfinS... When you throw in the "Hussein" you are parroting the right winged hate people...

Lose the right wing hate shit and all is well... Keep it up and guess what???

You come across as a hater...

You pick...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: gnu
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 10:07 PM

Kendall... "I don't put much stock in what some scientist who is in the pocket of the oil and coal companies says, when I look out my window and see Cardinals, Buzzard and Possum, that all the evidence I need. 20n years ago we would never see these critters."

Wise words. Those who don't observe such things may not know the importance of doing so.

A half dozen years ago or so, I saw a male crow stay here all winter with his lame mate. Couldn't migrate with the other thousands and thousands of crows. I have many pics and videos of them, some of them bring tears to my eyes when I witness the love and attention. I fed them every day. They came when I whistled that it was time to get the grub before the seagulls came in.

Now, I see many staying all winter and I have paid closer attention so I am now aware of many others that never wintered here. It's obvious, if you have watched it all over the past years and, as Kendall has said, it's many animals who are "staying" and others who are coming here that never were here in my lifetime. I only have 45 years watching all of this but the changes are dramatic and are happening at an increasing rate.

I could cite example upon example...I have pictures and video... but, most important, I have my memory... something is messed up. That's no proof that man messed it up... but it is proof to ME that SOMEthing is going on. And it's unsettling to me.

There are many who say it's cyclical. I ain't convinced about that... if it IS, I hope the cycles are not just seven years. >;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Songwronger
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 10:51 PM

Yeah, you have to go with the experts on climate change, peak oil and all of that. William Jevons is warning about the Peak Coal problem. We're running out of coal. It's imminent. It's... Oh, wait, my source is from 1865. Is that too dated?

Jevons Peak Coal


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 11:06 PM

Why the "Hussein" bit, Guest from Sanity? Do you have a problem with that name, or are you just making sure we don't confuse your president with some other Barack Obama?


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 29 Nov 12 - 11:06 PM

Alligators turn up here. I expect cottomouths will one day. Burmese pythons too.
=(:-( o)


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 30 Nov 12 - 07:36 AM

Some people try to pretend they are not haters - just not taking sides with either of the major political parties in the USA. But then these dickheads reveal their true minds and their true sources of "information" by repeating outright lies that can be found nowhere but Fox News and Free Republic.

If you want to see and hear the exact lines in a 2008 Obama speech in which he supposedly "promises to lower sea level by three feet", just go here and listen for yourself.

click for the actual video

Did you watch? Did you hear the opening clause of the sentence: "Generations from now..."? Did you hear the actual claim: "the moment when we began to slow the rise..."

Someone is either lying, blindly parroting hater talking points, or has a very poor grasp of English.

Your busted!

Of course if anyone can post the link to a promise to lower sea level by three feet, I would love to watch it. I will begin holding my breath now...


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: freda underhill
Date: 30 Nov 12 - 07:52 AM

Similar findings from Tassie, Bobert.


We're having a heatwave right now in Oz, 45.5 degrees in Victoria, (that's 113 Fahrenheit).. more bushfires looming..


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: GUEST,999
Date: 30 Nov 12 - 10:13 AM

People who deny the climate is changing have little awareness of the world we live in. I suppose they MAY admit it when the water in their Nebraska basements taste like salt. I guess we will fight about the cause(s) of the change even as we don life jackets and board floating platforms for lord knows where.


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Nov 12 - 10:43 AM

"Exxon Valdez oil spill to don't-worry-be-happy because "nature would take care of it"???"

There is a scientific school of thought that too much scrubbing with chemicals delays the recovery of the area. Nature does take care of it, as best it can. That is the opinion of people doing the survey.

Of course the money would be better spend avoiding the problems in the first place but the accountants see the money going out and no disasters, so it is redundant money. But then looking both ways when crossing the road is often redundant, but the consequences of getting that wrong are tangible and painful. Redundancy is a positive, it is insurance but try telling that to the money men.


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 02:25 PM

It's worse than we thought


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 02:37 PM

If you must type out his full name Goofus then at least spell it right.

Normally people only add Hussain when they want to imply something odious. ...


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 02:50 PM

John Fitzgerald Kennedy......So, is that 'hate' also??
What a bunch of Cretans!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: pdq
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 02:59 PM

That's a bit unfair to the residents of Crete.


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 05:17 PM

In the words of Bugs (no middle name) Bunny - What a Maroon!


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: frogprince
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 06:12 PM

Gfs, you forgot to put that middle name in italicized upper case. That's the way you need to type it to convey the raised volume on the middle name that we hear from all the people you're parroting. Tell me if you remember anyone blaring the Fitzgerald in JFK's name like that.


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 06:45 PM

Well, if they said, j-F-k..I don't think I would automatically think the 'F' meant something vulgar..would you?


GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 08:35 PM

It's William Shatner's hot tub that is the primary cause of the Global Warming problem. You would not f**ing believe how much heat that thing churns out in a year.

It's quite large, you see. And necessarily so.

It's even causing planetary warming as far away as Mars and Jupiter, for Christ's sake!

But I feel it's worth it to keep Bill happy, don't you?


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 05:13 AM

Guest,TIA:
Someone is either lying, blindly parroting hater talking points, or has a very poor grasp of English.

Your busted!


Is that a poor grasp of the language as in not recognising the difference between your & you're? Or are you suggesting that the poster is the owner of something called a busted?


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Will Fly
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 05:25 AM

Ah, the Great Busted - one of my all-time favourite birds. Tastes great with a little onion gravy and French fries.


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: GUEST,999
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 11:04 AM

"Ah, the Great Busted - one of my all-time favourite birds."

I thought you were talking about Dolly Parton . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Will Fly
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 11:18 AM

LOL! Bruce!


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: GUEST,Beachcomber
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 11:22 AM

Shouldn't that be Dolly "Biggesthits" Parton ?


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 07:18 PM

Bobert, I'm on my way...

Oops. Can't. Unless I can find someone to take care of Curmudgeon while I live it up teaching you how to better use your computer.

Linn


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 11 Dec 12 - 04:44 AM

About the last Ice Age... The ice reached right down Britain. Then it receded. THE CLIMATE WARMED UP. There were no cars, planes, industry, greenhouse gases, pollution. But it got warmer. And ...er... that was the SECOND Ice Age. Could it possibly be that these things occur naturally???


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Stu
Date: 11 Dec 12 - 05:02 AM

"Could it possibly be that these things occur naturally???"

They do, but the speed of change appears to be unprecedented. Also, it's important to look at our influence on climate alongside our destructive influence on the planet's ecosystems and our devastating effect on species diversity.

We're basically trashing the place, and we're incapable of stopping.


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Dec 12 - 09:44 AM

The human race is but a blip on the scale of the universe. We will go as quickly as we arrived and life, whatever life comes next, will go on.
Global warming may be our doom. Or a rogue asteroid. Or chemical/nuclear warfare.
Trashing or changing the place, we will be gone.


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Dec 12 - 09:56 AM

That is true Sinsull, but I do not want it to happen to my children or grandchildren.
Your post seems to say it does not matter.
It does.

Eliza, there are cycles of ice ages with a natural cause.
We could expect a new cooling phase now, and the observed warming is in spite of that and on top of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Dec 12 - 10:00 AM

We used to just SING about the NorthWest Passage. Now we use it. Maybe there will be sightseeing cruises to see the endangered Polar bears in what remains of their habitat.

For those who still doubt that we are exacerbating Global climate change.... the proposed actions in reducing CO2 output and more alternative energy use will benefit us, even if those 99% are wrong! The only 'losers' in the effort are those whose current financial setups are tied to polluting technology. Of course they deny Global Warming... they don't want to take a temporary hit on their income!


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 11 Dec 12 - 12:02 PM

Time is running out...
We are, quite literally, allowing the Sociopathic Corporate Bastards to destroy our ability to live upon this amazing planet.

Fracking is soon to be coming to the UK if Osborne gets his way and he will even give tax breaks to those who want to fruck the fracking hell out of our country.

60 dams are planned for the Amazon Rainforest, Belo Monte, the first to be built, and third largest on the planet, already under construction, whilst 5 more have been passed....

Belo Monte is being built illegaly, for no consultation took place with the Indigenous People to whom Impending Genocide is now approaching fast..

Today, Chief Raoni, now in his 80s, is in Strasbourg, having already visited Paris where he met President Hollande and The Netherlands, Today, alongside Chief Megaron and Bemoro, he has been giving press conferences, and tomorrow they are due to meet the President of the European Commission..

I love this man, for Raoni is a True Warrior, who is DETERMINED to never give up, not until he has breathed his last breath..He should be being honoured by ALL Leaders around the world.


If you'd like to join this page, please do. I run it and in the last 10 days or so a further 2,000 people have joined, having seen Chief Raoni on their TVs in Europe...

Support Chief Raoni - Facebook page

If you want to find out about Climate Change then go to The Indigenous Peoples...Find Chief Oren Lyons on Youtube, John Trudell too, David Suzuki, as well as his equally famous daughter, Severn, now fighting for *her* children's future, as she once fought for her own, so long ago, when she was just a child making her now famous speech....

Listen to folks like my Facebook friend, Orville Huntington too, who is from Alaska....

Polar Palooza - Orville Huntington - 'It's A Changing Thing'


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 11 Dec 12 - 12:10 PM

Polly, lawyer for Mother Earth, now dedicating her LIFE to bringing in The Law of Ecocide to protect our planet...Here she talks about the start of her journey and how things are going...

Polly Higgins TED Talk on The Law of Ecocide

Also, here she speaks of it being law for Corporations to HAVE to make a profit for their shareholders, encouraging them to whack the hell out of Mother Earth, basically....

This is another thing she is aiming to get changed..


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 08:56 AM

Isn't it strange how the Corporate Bastards engineered it so that people who care about the Planet are deemed to be raving loonies by the masses...

That was one of their best moves of course, for in doing that, they silenced the voices of those who were screaming out against what they were doing..

"Oh, here go The Green People again!"

Boris, Mayor of London and Professional Idiot was saying exactly that the other day in the most breathtaking tirade of Green Putdowns I've ever seen in an article, where he was singing the praises of fracking the fruck out of the UK shortly....

He and George Osborne should both be made to drink fresh water loaded with with fracking fluid, as they think it's so goddamn safe, and if, by some small chance it doesn't make them explode, then tie them to the front of the fracking drills, just before they're blasted deep, DEEP into Mother Earth!

Fruck 'em all!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 09:36 AM

One of the paradoxes we face is that we clearly need to build a new global economy based on non-fossil fuels. Of course this will require a new global infrastructure. Of course this will require energy to build. And what source of energy must we use to build this new infrastructure?....you got it!

Our choice is to pretend there is no problem and suck the hydrocarbons until they are gone, and we are stuck with nothing and face global economic collapse and upheaval (think Mad Max), or exploit what is left but use it to build a new sustainable human society.

Amazingly, the Koch brothers and their ilk make money on hydrocarbons either way, so I really don't see why they and their minions continue to deny that we have a looming catastrophe. I suspect it is because they simply cannot admit that the Looney Greenies might actually have a valid point.


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: EBarnacle
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 10:00 AM

Actually, if you use a long enough yardstick, Mother Nature will fix things like the Exxon Valdez spill. The only question is whethernwe will still be around when the remediation is complete.

PS, the ship came to grief on Bligh Reef.


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 10:22 AM

Oh yes. Earth fixes all things eventually. The early anaerobic blue green algae sure made us a nice oxygen-rich atmosphere, and in so doing relegated themselves to little anoxic puddles. I have no worries at all about life on Earth. Now humans are another matter entirely.


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Subject: RE: BS: WOW!!! Unbelievable Global Warming Fact
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 05:24 AM

Announced just a short while ago, fracking comes to the UK. FRUCK!!

>>>"The government has given the go-ahead for a firm to resume the controversial technique known as fracking to exploit gas in Lancashire.

Conditions have been imposed to minimise the risk of seismic a
ctivity.

Fracking involves creating little explosions underground, then injecting water and chemicals to release gas trapped in cavities in shale rocks.

The firm, Cuadrilla, was stopped from fracking after two small earthquakes.

In the US, exploitation of shale gas boom has sent energy prices tumbling, and the Prime Minister has expressed hopes that the UK can enjoy a similar boom.

But government advisers warn today that shale gas may be unlikely to bring down energy prices much in Britain.

In fact, the Committee on Climate Change warns that relying heavily on gas for future electricity supplies would leave households vulnerable to higher bills in the long run as the price of gas on the international market is volatile.

The UK won't benefit from substantially lower prices unless the rest of Europe decides to back shale gas too, as Europe has a gas grid that allows gas to be traded to the highest bidder.

The CCC has examined the potential impact on bills of different energy systems and predicts that subsidies to renewables and nuclear would put about £100 on household bills by 2020, but that by 2050 a gas-based electricity system might cost people as much as £600 extra.
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Today's fracking decision has created political excitement as the Prime Minister the Chancellor and some business leaders have spoken enthusiastically about shale gas.

Environmentalists are more cautious following incidents in the US in which fracking has been associated with pollution of water through the chemicals involved in the process, as well as leakage of methane - a powerful greenhouse gas as well as a local air pollutant.

They say fracking will generate much more opposition in the UK than it has in the US as it involves turning green fields into industrial sites.

They also worry that an abundance of domestic gas will tempt politicians to abandon targets for cutting greenhouse gases, which are rising inexorably globally to the alarm of scientists.

A poll suggested that people would prefer to have wind turbines on the horizon than gas rigs.

Steve Radley, Director of Policy at EEF, the manufacturers' organisation, said the UK should do whatever possible to keep energy costs down: "This is a major threat that needs to be addressed now as we cannot continue to load industry with costs which are in excess of our competitors.," he said.

Caroline Flint MP, Labour's Shadow Energy Secretary, said: "Labour has always said that fracking should only go ahead if it is shown to be safe and environmentally sound. If the Government believes that this is the case then we will look carefully at their proposals.

"But the idea that this form of gas extraction can have the same impact here in the UK as it has had on gas prices in the United States is considered wishful thinking by most experts."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20707574


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