mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: Girl Friday
Date: 16 Dec 12 - 08:11 AM

It5's going to rival out tone Deaf Leopard thread soon. {:

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: GUEST,JHW
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 06:51 AM

Mudcashometers aside I wonder if we're getting anywhere near?

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From: stallion
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 12:37 PM

how long is a piece of string? I saw the wish list and it was an awful lot of money. Judging by the results, a much faster mudcat I would say it has been reasonably successful. I don't know how successful it has been, perhaps Max will update us when he gets back from his hols in the maldives ;o)

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 19 Dec 12 - 08:53 PM

The committed have committed.

Perhaps this thread should vanish....It was CLEARLY indentified..."major fund raising" would start in January 2013....

What was requested...was a "triage transfusion" of funds to push Mudcat beyond the immediate "fiscal cliff". The faithful came foreward....in a time of crisis.

Expect to hear the true trumpet call for resources in the new year.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: ollaimh
Date: 20 Dec 12 - 06:32 PM

i used to think mudcat was vasluable, but the hard right turn of many, including some moderators has disillusioned me on that score.

the turning point for me came from two issues. an idiot poster from britian was accusing acadiens of stealing indian land(apparantly ignoring the english ethnic cleansing of acadiesn
and the english ethnic cleansing of the same natives, including putting bounties in their scalps). and the toleration and constant defense of a nazi folk singer who used to sing his hitler youth songs at the vancouver folk song society.

i already knew the english and many american and canadian anglos were biased against the gaels, and ignore that genocide, but i was used to that. but i expected folk singers to stand up against nazis and to condemn racist attacks on acadiens(one of the most peacefull people on earth at the time).

well i no longer think mudcat deserves any money from me. nothing provoded by mudcat is worth the toleration of racism genocide ans bigotry.

i really expected the nazi tolerance to shock and horrify people. instead they seemd to think he was such a nice war criminal . someone you could trust with your children and who sang so sweetly==if you weren't jewish or roma, or homosexual.

mudcat is way too juch a haven for racists and right wing kooks.what happened to folk music?

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: GUEST,Gedi -at work
Date: 21 Dec 12 - 07:19 AM

I've not been active on Mudcat for a while but I do use the database occasionaly and find some of the posts interesting, but the Folk World would be worse off without it, so donation made via paypal.

Ollaimh : Interesting what you've said, when I get a chance I'll look into the history of what your talking about. I certainly wouldn't support any kind of racism etc.

Best Wishes for Christmas to you all
Ged

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: stallion
Date: 21 Dec 12 - 03:27 PM

ollaimh - Would it be correct to infer that by the name you are claiming a connection with an ancient irish mystic/doctor? The bitterness you hold in your head has no way forward, you need to move on. The way forward is by way of truth and reconciliation.....followed by a firm commitment not to repeat the wrongs of the past. Now, what of the gael's? are you suggesting that they are without blame for any atrocities that may have happened in the past? You are a hypocrite if you believe they didn't...........so ......... lets live and let live Forgive and remember that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter and any violence is abhorrent.

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: GUEST,SINS
Date: 21 Dec 12 - 03:56 PM

Auctions are ending. Don's bracelet earned $100 to be paid shortly while Jacqui has generously offered to fill each and every wish.
WHOO WHOO

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From: kendall
Date: 21 Dec 12 - 04:11 PM

Good thing you are not wanting the same thing I am! LOL

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From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 04:57 PM

Kendall, the cellar awaits you. (Better take Jacqui with you.)

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From: Janie
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 06:43 PM

Auction tain't quite over. Bobert is still offering those 10 fine art prints. 60% goes to Max because 40% goes to the expensive cost of printing.

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From: My guru always said
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 06:53 AM

That Jacqui certainly has busy hands. Hope you're both comfy down in the cellar!

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: Hollowfox
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 03:47 PM

I just sent a check to the P.O. box. This isn't begging, Max, it's letting us stop mooching, and helping to pull our weight. This place has kept me sane for (mumble) years, so it's only fair. Thanks for letting us know. Much love and respect, Mary

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: Genie
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 06:54 PM

Now that I've passed my own "fiscal cliff" of 12-31-12, I'll take the time to clean out my PM stash. That should lighten Max's load a LOT!

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 07:23 PM

Progress report?

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From: gnu
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 07:45 PM

Q... more pennies are required. Or, at least I assume so. The costs stated by Max above are a heck of a lot more then it used to take to run this puppy when I and John (Giok) and Kendall and... and a half dozen others were the major and almost only by percentage contributors.

Seriously, years ago, it only cost Max a portion of what it costs today to maintain a reasonably accessible website. But, the price of food had 4Xd so there it is.

Update? The update is Max is a great guy as he has proven this over the years by providing an amazing website dedicated to freedom of expression with only ONE rule.

If yee 'users' haven't, cough up some coin... it's the best site on the internut.

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 07:47 PM

Update on Bobert art prints...

I need 10 folks to step up and commit to buying one of a limited edition (10 numbered prints) to afford to have them printed... All the profits will go the Max, or approximately $600...

Janie is #1...

Who's next???

B~

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 07:49 PM

Opps!!! Each print will be delivered to your door, suitable for framing, for $100...

If you were to purchase a signed, limited print of this quality it would run you 5 times this much... Maybe more...

B~

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From: SallyM
Date: 04 Jan 13 - 06:35 AM

Done. Thanks for such a good site.

Sal the Gal

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From: kendall
Date: 04 Jan 13 - 08:04 AM

We have one of Bobert's prints, excellent work!

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From: Bobert
Date: 04 Jan 13 - 09:11 AM

Thank you, Kendall...

So, ya'll... Who wants one??? All profits go to Mudcat!!!

Only 9 left...

B~

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: DrugCrazed
Date: 05 Jan 13 - 05:12 AM

OpenSource? PHP? MySQL? I've never been so excited in my life. And this is the guy who read the BoardGameGeek API last month and started dancing when he realised what he could do with it...

Send us a PM Max if you'd like some help (or if it's on GitHub or similar put a link so us codies can tinker)

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: GUEST,denny
Date: 12 Jan 13 - 10:09 AM

Well, I TRIED.
When I got "the credit card you entered cannot be used for this transaction" the second time--after having to re-do the page twice--I gave up.

Sorry. But I won't raise my BP to dangerous levels just to give money. I like Mudcat. I visit moderately often.

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: maeve
Date: 12 Jan 13 - 10:13 AM

"If you need to, you can also mail checks or money orders in US currency, ***made out to Max Spiegel*** to:

Max Spiegel
The Mudcat Cafe
PO Box 274
State College, PA 16804 "

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From: GUEST,Gaynor Gilbert
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 05:30 AM

I wanted to give something to mud at but maybe I am thick but I couldn't see how to do it by card

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From: Roberto
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 05:35 AM

Done.

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From: GUEST,Bob Roberts
Date: 20 Jan 13 - 03:22 PM

Oh No!!

I JUST found you!

Please send me a link tu your new site so I can learn more about you.

Please excuse my ignorance of how all of this works, I am an old fart in a new-age world.

Bob

[e-mail]

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From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Feb 13 - 01:03 PM

That heading is there again.

Progress report?

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From: Donuel
Date: 02 Feb 13 - 06:40 PM

Your dream has been answered

annonymous

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: gnu
Date: 02 Feb 13 - 08:49 PM

And WTF are the hats? I have been bitchin about this for years and others have chimed in.

I haven't sent in straight cash for yearsssss. I figured the auction was the way to go. Even when I didn't want stuff but knew others did I outbid everyone and sent it to the person who really wanted it. Youse know who you are. I think the auction could do even better if people... hmmmm... best left unsaid.

I'll just say this... there are a lot of great musicians herein who cannot afford to put their wares in the auction for less than cost. You do the math when a fund drive is the goal. Not everyone can be as generous as Deb C when this drive started.

Once again... thanks Deb. Ya done good by all of us. (Still enjoyin yer tunes.)

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From: GUEST,elfcape
Date: 02 Feb 13 - 11:22 PM

Shared on FB in hopes of snagging a few more donors. keep the faith, guys.

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: Dennis the Elder
Date: 10 Feb 13 - 01:13 PM

Max, can we have an update please, how are things going.
Have you got enough yet or do you need more?

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: gnu
Date: 10 Feb 13 - 04:45 PM

I assume the need is ongoing. Even if the fuel tank is full now, which I doubt, fuel is burned every second that this here Café serves a customer.

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From: GUEST,silver
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 05:33 AM

Done what little I could. Just beginning to discover what a goldmine Mudcat is for finding unusual song lyrics. Would be a huge loss if it was closed down. Best of luck to you guys!
Ulla

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: GUEST,John Foxen
Date: 19 Feb 13 - 07:42 AM

I have just chipped in a tenner which I would have only spent in the approved folk fashion - on beer and loose women. It's not much but I think there's a possibility that if everyone tossed in a couple of pounds or dollars every time they found a song or a piece of information they really wanted on this site then we could keep it going until "fishes fly and swallows die".
I make this posting not to boast of my generosity (which is paltry compared with what some people are doing) but to put this thread up near the top where it belongs.

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: gnu
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 06:27 AM

Nice to see people care enough to keep it up.

I am reminded of past "fund drives" over the past dozen years. The first one that springs to mind, for good reason, was started by Spaw, I seem to recall. If he didn't actually start it, he sure drove it with his offbeat, some might even say absolutely twisted, sick, oft obscene.... AHEM!, sense of humour. I dare say his "prodding" had a LOT to do with the success of that and other fund drives.

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: GUEST,Woody Brison
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 10:55 PM

I stick my oar in... here's what cha could do
Ya get an old billboard and paint it all blue
And ya moan 'bout the Mudcat, how it's gettin' all old,
And if folks want to see it keep going, send gold.

Or, here's another little shameful tune,
Tell everybody you might shut down soon,
And you know this is one very fine collection of stuff
And if it goes away, that would really be ruff,
So if folks want it, they can have it, for about one cab fare,
They can buy a CD with the whole shebang on there.

Cheers

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From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 11:24 PM

gnu, i think thats all been about Spaw tuning up for a Lenny Bruce Telethon for Mudcat!

cheers to the poet and John's refresh.

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From: wysiwyg
Date: 21 Feb 13 - 09:30 AM

GWB, re:

if folks want it, they can have it, for about one cab fare,
They can buy a CD with the whole shebang on there.

DT yes.

Threads loaded with the REST of the goldmine, nope.

The continued storage of new goldmines, nope.

~S~

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: GUEST,Eirinn7
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 04:55 PM

Always happy to donate to a very worthy cause . . . I'm just a little late gettin' to the party! Cheers!

-Eirinn7

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 06:42 PM

And here's a link to donation information.

Subject: RE: mudcat.org cannot afford to continue...
From: gnu
Date: 22 Mar 13 - 06:15 PM

Freeresh.