Prince William and Kate expecting a baby

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Bring on the republic
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 07:58 PM

"But then, Fate dealt them an even better 'deal', for Jacintha killed herself and now, they can put *her* on their front pages instead....."

It is being repeated as a 22 carat FACT that she killed herself.
Very convenient in that the blame can now be placed on the radio DJs who had the temerity to commit a prank.
The poor royals are now the victims and the feeble minded sycophants can now fawn and grovel to their hearts content.

Neat!

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This mudelf thinks this topic has been flogged to death. And some of you should go see your mental health counselors. The thread is closed.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 01:39 PM

Not really allan, in a siyuation like that the jape was predictable to the point of being feeble minded.

Can you imagine if people reacted like that at the dole office where people spend all their lives dealing with people who pretend to be someone else. it would be like the Burma railway with counter staff, doing themselves in.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Allan Conn
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 01:05 PM

"It was hardly a 'cruel hoax'."

I think that is at the very least debateable. Fair dos that no-one would have expected the outcome! However the call either wouldn't work - in which case it is a waste of time and not worth airing - or it does work and ordinary working people are put under pressure to explain their failings and perhaps their jobs are at risk. Never mind the fact that a pregnant woman in hospital is put under strain knowing that folk are impesonating her family and trying to gain access to her info.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 12:35 PM

Get real. I don't agee with that article or its tone. Frankly its transparently rubbish.

It was hardly a 'cruel hoax'. This woman's reaction was hardly normal. What the hell was she doing holding a job dealing with the public.

Frankly is there anyone anywhere with the profession of dealing with the public as a teacher, policeman, receptionist, civil servant or nurse who doesn't deal with much worse every single day?

Thank gawd someone didn't fart in the lift, or she would have been climbing a tower with a machine gun.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 11:55 AM

So, thankfully, Kate's baby, is at present OK. Thus, the Sociopathic Media lost their chance to sell millions more papers if that HADN'T been the case...

But then, Fate dealt them an even better 'deal', for Jacintha killed herself and now, they can put *her* on their front pages instead.....

And do they feel an ounce of guilt?
I would imagine, not for a moment......

Of course, they won't make the connection between their coverage of the prank phone call, nor the radio station concerned, and others, playing that phone call over and over again, GLOBALLY!

They won't stop to think for a moment that they Humiliated a loving, caring, hard-working and honest, wonderful nurse and mother, who worked long hours far from her family, and probably also enjoyed the lovely job she had in that hospital, for trust me, where it is is VERY different to where Jacintha lived in Bristol.

I've worked just round the corner from the Edward VII Hospital, when I worked in Harley Street..I'd pass it every day on my way to Marylebone High Street. I also lived near Bristol and know the area a little, where Jacintha lived...

Did they EVER stop to think that the woman who answered those stupid DJs was a very nervous human? Did they EVER stop to think that what they did would may have felt to Jacintha that she had brought great shame on her family back in India, or to her children here in this country???? Did they EVER stop to think that what was a HEADLINE for them, was a kick in the Soul to this sweet woman?

No....

And they don't give a flying fuck!

Already they are saying "This is going to be HUGE news back in India!"

Well, fuck them all!!!!

The sooner Journalism is taken to the Cleaners and washed in Biological Powder, to remove ALL those who have Stained It Beyond Belief, the better, for the occupation of Journalist sinks ever deeper into the gutter with each passing Shock Headline, put there ONLY to sell their bloody papers!!

Well, now their papers are stained with the blood and death of a woman who should be, right now, at home with her son, daughter and husband, surrounded by her friends, living her life the way she wanted to, dealing with her nerves in her own way, keeping her head above the Waterfall of Fear which may have been ever present her whole life long...

What a feckingly shitty world these bastards have created, from their Corporate Masters to the man who tiptaps out The Shit!

And now, the people who decided to play this prank are said to be on 'suicide-watch', the young woman in particular being of an anxious disposition. Well, maybe she should have thought about the anxiety of others before she stepped forward to behave in such a stupid way then take great delight, along with her colleague and the people they worked for, in humiliating another human being on a GLOBAL scale...

Honourable people often struggle deeply with the horrors others think as funny these days...Kind, loving, caring people do not understand those who will stop at nothing to gain notoriety and maybe, just maybe, Jacintha's nerves and sweet soul had got to the point where death was preferable to a life-time of being known as The Woman Who Put 'The Queen' through'

Fuck ALL those who played a part in this Tragedy of immense proportions, and who are now, even as I write, sitting with bated breath, ready to write the Next Act, knowing they'll sell even MORE papers!



'The Guardian' article on Jacintha Saldanha

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 07:49 AM

as shakespeare said:-

For the Pom it whingeth every day....

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Megan L
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 06:33 AM

I wonder if it is something to do with the average age of posters to mudcat that it seems so full of embittered nasty posts.

It is old men full of hatred that send young men to die.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Penny S.
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 06:20 AM

Steve, while that protocol sounds good, I have knowledge of one case where a hospital was very ready not only to confirm the presence of someone on their wards, but to put a person through and wake the patient to take the call, when that person had not been informed by anyone of the illness, the hospital admission, or even which part of the country the hospital was in. The patient was found only by chance, after an appalling search in another part of the country after regular phone calls had stopped, and the person calling could only prove relationship by knowing the birthdate.

I suspect there may be a certain amount of discretion allowed.

I also wonder if the nurse had a good an ear for accents.

It is an appalling story. I'm waiting for the full details. It doesn't seem consistent in what we have been told.

Penny

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 06:12 AM

It was 5.30 in the morning, not exactly a busy time on the switchboard, and the hospital is an exclusive private job, not a harassed-to-death NHS hospital. No excuse.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 06:04 AM

I agree that, with a bit of thought, anyone would realise that the Queen would be most unlikely to make her own calls, but would have an aide or a lady-in-waiting get thru for her, & then, if she wished to speak personally, would have the phone handed over to her. But what we had here was a harrassed switchboard operator in a busy hospital, who, knowing there was a member of the royal family in the hospital, might well not have thought things thru as rationally in the heat of the moment as the egregiously ever-rational you or I, Steve, might have done in similar circumstances. Possible scenario perhaps?

~M~

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 05:48 AM

NO meant I disagreed with you, Michael. Right, you're on a hospital switchboard and you get an inane call in a stupid accent claiming to come from Her Maj.(did you actually listen to that call?) Your first reaction, and mine too, probably, would have been to say "Queen where of? Sheba?"

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 03:48 AM

Its just another Australian
Who thinks that he's a card.
Like them what throw their cricket balls.
At our lads - very hard.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Bring on the republic
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 01:06 AM

SUICIDE!
yeah
right
whatever!

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Bring on the republic
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 12:58 AM

swMbo!

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 12:35 AM

"Little think" about what, Steve?

I ask you whether you would refuse a request from HM; you reply "No" & then tell me to "Think about it"...

Again, about what? Clarify your response, please.

~M~

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 07:06 PM

No, Michael. Do have a little think about it.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Bring on the republic
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 05:33 PM

Why the rush to announce that death was a suicide?
Out of respect for the deceased and their family authorities usually wait until after the inquest before jumping to that conclusion.

Religious views on suicide

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 05:22 PM

All true about the 'delegated person', Steve. But you can see why the nurse on the switchboard might have thought it would be OK to make an exception if she really thought it was the Queen calling. Even with your well-known views, would you argue with the Queen or tell her to shove off? Honest, now!

~M~

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: gnu
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 05:13 PM

JtS... yer right. My bad. I let my emotions get the best of me at the worst of times. Thanks for waking me up.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 04:24 PM

Was that a with too far?

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 04:22 PM

I feel a bit annoyed that the hospital in question has come out with guns a-blazin' about the radio station. The fact is that this prank should have gone belly-up within seconds of the phone being picked up. That it didn't is squarely down to the utterly rotten security protocol of the hospital. When my friend was in hospital in Exeter, there was no way that anyone other than the one person delegated to receive information about him could have got past the switchboard. Only with the express permission of that person and the agreement of the ward would have allowed anyone else to find out anything about him.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 03:01 PM

The idea that a health professional would kill herself over passing on a phone call without herself divulging any information is silly and insulting to her memory. STOP SPECULATING ABOUT IT!!! The whole story will come out eventually. Or it won't. TALK ABOUT IT THEN. Or don't.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: gnu
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 02:57 PM

An immigration issue? Well, someone NOW laden with this icident may have been pushed over the edge by the public mischief of these twits. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Simply, a parked car cannot hit anyone. It can only BE hit. She took a hit.

I thought prank calls were a form of harrassment, a punishable offense?

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: theleveller
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 02:42 PM

"by the end of her shift she's internationally known as "that nurse" who is ridiculed, objectified, and stigmatized by her own and other societies around the world."

But who was it who decided to release her identity? She was an unwitting participant so why identify her?

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 02:19 PM

This is absolutely appalling. I hope the shites responsible are feeling pretty damned ashamed of themselves.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 01:46 PM

A letter from the Manager of the hospital to the radio station was read out this morning on BBC News. I agreed with his point that the most appalling thing was the station's decision to allow the conversation to continue to be broadcast after the event. Instead of heads rolling, they were happy to compound the mischief. 'The Media' needs to have its standards revised and stricter codes of conduct applied. This isn't curtailing freedom of the Press, merely instilling common decency into their activities (and IMO into society as a whole.)

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: selby
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 11:20 AM

If you have never worked shifts you will not know how your body is at such a low ebb, the tiniest things become massive problems in your world, most night workers will tell you there families all keep a low profile when you are on nights.
I just feel sad that the nurse could not ride the issue and feel for the other nurse who was with her. Most normal human beings should feel saddened by this event does anyone give a thought how Wills and Kate feel as a young couple full of joy at their first child having this issue around this is not about privilege, the two young DJ's who got some dynamite but then where allowed to continue by lawyers. This is a very sad day for everyone involved.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 11:20 AM

While you cannot foresee all the effects of your actions this does not exonerate you from accepting responsibility for the consequences.

To accept responsibility is one thing. To have it thrust on you is another matter. Those doing the thrusting had better be sure of themselves first.

Given that the nurse would still be alive if this prank had not been perpetrated the radio station, 2dayfm, is responsible for her death, albeit unintentionally.

You must be the only person in the world who knows, as yet, that, but for this, she would still be alive. And the radio station is responsible for allowing two DJs to carry out a stupid prank. That's about it. Stupid, irresponsible, misguided, we can probably all agree. But a prank of the type that almost never develops into this type of tragedy. There would be lots of things we'd hold back from doing if we all had a crystal ball. You are being far too judgemental far too early.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Mooh
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 10:35 AM

So a nurse goes to work one day to do her selfless helpful duty to society and by the end of her shift she's internationally known as "that nurse" who is ridiculed, objectified, and stigmatized by her own and other societies around the world. By virtue of the fact that the media sensationalized the story she'd be forever unable to shake the image.

I bet when she decided to become a nurse, none of this was in her mind. Exposure to all manner of illness and human failings, yes. Bullied by foreign hooligans, no.

My bet is she made the decision to leave this life at a very low moment, decidedly not of her making. She was praised as a good nurse. It's a shame the world will have one less good nurse when we need many more.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: theleveller
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 10:19 AM

Sorry Brendan, I think that's a much too simplistic way of looking at it. Are you saying that the pressure put on this nurse after the event had no part to play?

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,BrendanB lost cookie
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 08:03 AM

While you cannot foresee all the effects of your actions this does not exonerate you from accepting responsibility for the consequences. Given that the nurse would still be alive if this prank had not been perpetrated the radio station, 2dayfm, is responsible for her death, albeit unintentionally. This IMO is made worse by the statement from the radio station that it had not broken any laws, in spite of the the fact that they did not get their permission to broadcast the nurses, even though this is a requirement in Australia.
It will be interesting to see whether 2dayfm actually do anything to show that they recognise they have any responsibility for the results of their pranks.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Mooh
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 07:55 AM

Without even considering the tragic decision of someone to take her own life, a prank call to interrupt front line health care workers just seems stupid and irresponsible to me. Hospitals have better things to do than answer prank calls. It's bad enough that society seems to think it's okay to interrupt just anyone's life with needless and irritating phone calls, but to distract health care workers in their important work is dumb. This isn't Bart Simpson calling the local pub, this is a radio show trying to get a laugh out of harassing and victimizing a hospital and its workers. This is an otherwise legitimate business (radio station) lacking judgement, behaving like a juvenile bully, then excusing itself.

When was it ever okay to make prank calls, especially to a hospital?

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: theleveller
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 06:38 AM

Well, I sort of agree with you, Steve - bit like blaming the iceberg for the sinking of the Titanic.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Allan Conn
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 06:23 AM

I agree Steve the media are hypocrites. They think nothing of hounding people without regard to how it affects the individual.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 06:06 AM

You wouldn't expect to get past the switchboard which is mabye the point. I heard the call the other day and you can hear the guy sniggering in disbelief saying something like "they're not actually putting us through". They knew very well that there was no way they should be put through but didn't care as long as they got their laugh!! No-one could have expected this to happen but they must have known (if they have at least half a brain) that at the very least the aftermath would put the nurses under pressure and perhaps even put their jobs, or someone else's, at risk. Prank calls as entertainment is all very well but the point is there has to be a line. When you start messing with people's jobs you've crossed it.

Agreed, but in the context of media interference in innocent people's lives this is just one more incidence of it among thousands. The tragic development has made this one all the more newsworthy. Just watch the junk media feed on it, doubtless revelling in indignant hypocrisy.

Whilst the DJs must take some of the responsibility for the death of this poor woman...

They are not responsible for the death of the nurse. They are responsible for playing a misplaced prank of the sort that almost never ends in a tragedy like this. I agree with the rest of what you say.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: theleveller
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 05:20 AM

Above was me - someone nicked my cookie.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 04:51 AM

Whilst the DJs must take some of the responsibility for the death of this poor woman, the consequence of their action was totally unforseen. I would suggest that more responsibility lies with the pressure from the press, the snotty hospital trying to protect its reputation, the formidable Windsor PR machine and the public for its vicarious and onanistic interest in this disfunctional family.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 04:11 AM

This case reminds me of the Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand stupid and outrageous 'prank' where they made phone calls which upset and horrified the recipient, sniggering all the while. Schoolboy silliness, but in grown adults, much more deplorable.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Allan Conn
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 03:59 AM

"(though I can't help feeling that they didn't expect in a million years to get past the switchboard"

You wouldn't expect to get past the switchboard which is mabye the point. I heard the call the other day and you can hear the guy sniggering in disbelief saying something like "they're not actually putting us through". They knew very well that there was no way they should be put through but didn't care as long as they got their laugh!! No-one could have expected this to happen but they must have known (if they have at least half a brain) that at the very least the aftermath would put the nurses under pressure and perhaps even put their jobs, or someone else's, at risk. Prank calls as entertainment is all very well but the point is there has to be a line. When you start messing with people's jobs you've crossed it.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Backwoodsman sans Cookie
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 01:42 AM

Better still, BAN ALL GUEST POSTINGS IN BS.
Fuck the trolls Right Royally.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Bring on the republic
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 01:27 AM

BAN ALL JOKES AND PRANKS

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 01:20 AM

She was assassinated by MI6 to make the royal breeding program immune to criticism?

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: gnu
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 10:24 PM

GUEST,Bring on the republic... 2 posts in less than an hour. Only posts you ever posted at Mudcat. Unless you post under other names but that will eventually be examined by the mods. Troll em if ya got em, eh?... while ya can.

Do you really think you can keep this shit up?

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Bring on the republic
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 10:02 PM

Fatal case of sycophancy.
Did she curtsey herself to death?
Inherited privilege, divine right of kings etc.
What a crock of shit.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 08:08 PM

Looks like I'm having a go at you slightly there, Jack. That was not what I intended at all.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 08:06 PM

Yes Jack. The Aussie DJs are getting it in the neck, and maybe they should (though I can't help feeling that they didn't expect in a million years to get past the switchboard), but the hospital was very lax in allowing the call to get through to the ward. There should have been far stricter security procedures in place than was apparently the case. But let's see what comes out about this poor nurse. When someone kills themselves it's easy to look around for blame. Those of us who have first-hand experience know how destructive that is. The one person who could clear up the reasons for us isn't here any more. Worth remembering before we get too judgemental.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 03:54 PM

Here is a sentence I would like to offer to all British hospitals which could easily prevent this sort of thing in future.

"Would your Majesty like to ask the father?"

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 03:50 PM

You would think there would be way more layers of safety built in...that would be SOP for even an ordinary citizen, much less a celebrity or royal family etc. I think her security needs can not be met at that hospital and I would look into military hospitals if there are such in the area. Secure her first, arrange for good equipment to be there and bring in top doctors, but don't put her in a place where security is so lax.

Anyway, here is the story about the nurse..terrible tragedy...she apparently did not give out the information but put the call through to the nursing station...but why would you give out information to parents anyway? mg

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 02:32 PM

Raggytash, you have mail! :-)

When a close relative of mine was in hospital a few years ago, there was no way that anyone except one designated person, who the hospital had to agree to, could get any information about him at all, either by telephone or in person. They would talk only to his wife, unless she, in person, had given express permission for them to talk to another family member. Had that eminently sensible protocol been in place at the hospital where the Duchess was treated, there is no way that anyone, even someone claiming to be the Queen, could have got past the switchboard.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 02:21 PM

Ron Naylor, please do me some credit. At NO point have I suggested that the "Royal" family are at fault. Please read my thread, I suggested that the stupid merry-go-round that surrounds them was perhaps at fault, nothing more.

You also need to understand that I have very personal feelings regarding suicide, that perhaps, thankfully, many do not.