Prince William and Kate expecting a baby

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 05:08 AM

Can't quite see, though Lizzie, how looking in the mirror should help to unpiss me off.

Perhaps you would care too elucidate.

On 2nd thoughts, perhaps you wouldn't!!!!

☺〠☺~M~☺〠☺

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 05:35 AM

The face you will see staring back at you is the one who, apparently, seems to have a problem with a woman having strong opinions...

It won't be my face looking back at you, for I'm standing to the side, ranting and raging about the state of the planet and that most journalists are happy to abide by The Rulings Of Their Corporate Bastard Owners and keep The Truth truly hidden from the now Dumbed-Down-Masses.

Which is more important to you?
A planet which is dying due to Human Greed and Insanity
Or, a sick, pregnant young woman who is being hounded by journalists who have *chosen* to be Complicit in this farce?

Give me The Journalist who puts Polly Higgins in their main story!
Give me The Journalist who galvanizes the entire population into getting behind Polly and her Team to make The Law of Ecocide a REALITY, for THEN we will legally be able to crush The Corporate Bastards as never before, although WHY we have to wait until it's all legal I've no idea, because with what they are doing at present, we should ALL be out there on the streets, globally, taking Mother Earth back into OUR hands and decimating the Insane Bastards who are tearing apart our planet....and taking away our Children's Futures and those of ALL generations who may, or now, who may not, come after them!

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Concerned of Whitby
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 07:03 AM

Lizzie I think after reading your rants I want to go out and shoot a Panda just for spite!

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 08:38 AM

"Which is more important to you?
A planet which is dying due to Human Greed and Insanity
Or, a sick, pregnant young woman who is being hounded by journalists who have *chosen* to be Complicit in this farce?"

Hear, bloody hear. The only reason we're being subjected to this crap is because royal = newspaper sales.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 09:46 AM

I am always amused and nauseated in about equal measure by the way that doctrinaire egalitarians like OW simultaneously hold the masses in contempt. "Royal = newspaper sales", quite simply, because millions of perfectly respectable citizens, who have just as much right to have their legal and legitimate tastes met as has the great OW, wish to read about them ~~ a taste which brings on their innocent heads the contempt and scorn of such as the we-are-all-equal-but-I-am-oh-so-superior OW.

The contempt of the leftie for those he purports to represent is invariably infinite.

Pass the sick-bag, please.

~M~

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 10:10 AM

Sick bag? What's the matter M? Are you suffering from morning sickness? For the past several years I have had to put up with chronic cattarh, which the doctors can't find an explanation for, and which has me vomitting up huge gobs of phlegm every morning for about twenty minutes.

Sick bags? Don't talk to me about sick bags?

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 10:12 AM

I of course did not know that, and much regret any inadvertent distress I have caused by my comment, Owen. I sincerely wish you better health.

~Michael~

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 10:34 AM

I once met Polly Higgins and was very impressed with her concept of ecocide. Then one day I wrote to her, merely to supply her with some information. I got a letter back from one of her staff, saying that she was too busy to reply!

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 10:50 AM

If you really think, Lizzie, that I am scared of you ("have problems with you") because you are a "strong woman", then let me assure you, with all possible moderation, that you are deluded and mistaken.

All best regards

~Michael~

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: theleveller
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 01:54 PM

Well, it looks like Kate's not the only one who got fucked - Osborne's shafted us all and I, for one, am feeling pretty sick.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 02:05 PM

Then welcome to the Club, leveller!

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 02:34 PM

The shit that some people espouse is enough to make anyone sick! Hopefuly Kate doesn't read this though. There's only us daft enough to keep ploughing through the same old tripe.

Go for it though. I can take it. I am pretty strong too ;-)

DtG

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 02:35 PM

The contempt of the leftie for those he purports to represent is invariably infinite.

Hmm. Well, it wouldn't be variably infinite, would it? Unless you mean "The contempt of the leftie for those he purports to represent is, invariably, infinite."

And I sincerely hope that you're not using "the leftie" in the generic sense there, in the way that the apartheid leaders would talk about "the black man". We don't all hold our fellow lefties in contempt, you know.

Pedantically yours

Steve "leftie" Shaw

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 09:27 PM

As the Pope begins as a Tweeter he wades into the discussion:
Pope

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Bring on the republic
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 10:43 PM

Thalidomide, a drug developed to help women overcome the symptoms of morning sickness during pregnancy, is first marketed in West Germany. Forty-six countries approve its use before thalidomide's terrible side effects become apparent.
Thalidomide is a powerful synthetic tranquilizer, originally developed by Ciba, a Swiss pharmaceutical company. Unable to make it commercially profitable, Ciba gave up on the drug. A German company, Chemie Gruenenthal, took over and eventually began marketing thalidomide as a "completely safe" method for warding off morning sickness.

Completely safe for the royal family.
Look at the state they're in already.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 11:00 PM

LOL, thanks for the cartoon link, Sandy.

Auntie SINS,,,exactly!

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 02:23 PM

Catherine has been discharged from hospital. I'm wondering if she didn't have the Winter Vomiting Bug (Norovirus) which is sweeping the country at the moment. My sister had it last week and you vomit ceaselessly for about 36 hours. If so, she should be fine for the rest of her pregnancy. People are now saying that perhaps it might be best for Charles to stand down as the heir, as a young couple with children would be better as King and Queen when HM passes away. I have mixed feelings about this.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 03:43 PM

I have strong feelings. They should all stand down and the country should use their ill-gotten wealth to reduce the deficit instead of hitting people on benefits, who did nothing to cause the problem. Actually given Charlie's short stature, if he stood down wouldn't he disappear altogether?

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 05:20 PM

I saw him quite recently at the Sandringham Flower Show, and was surprised that he's actually taller in the flesh than on TV. Believe it or not, he's also quite handsome, as he always looks awful in photos and on The News. But for some reason, I don't take to him or Camilla. Just an impression.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 05:23 PM

Prince Charles is actually 5'10". Whence this rumour that he is a short man? Some people would rather believe silly stories than use their own eyes!

~M~

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 05:49 PM

Shimrod, this may astound you but Polly IS busy, because she's trying to get The Law of Ecocide pushed through, travelling all over the world to rustle up support, giving talks, writing books etc...

I'm in contact with her team via Facebook and they're all good people. I promote Polly's talks/pages a great deal and have, just this evening been putting links about her on my page and also Raoni's page which I run as well..

As I write, I've just been told Chief Raoni, Megaron and Bemoro are all in The Netherlands...I have the greatest respect for Chief Raoni, who, despite being in his 80s now has travelled out, yet again, from his Rainforest home, first to France, now the Netherlands and possibly Germany too, (waiting to hear on this one) to try to Wake The World to the dangers we are all facing...

OHHHH! How I WISH the bloody media would have Chief Raoni on ALL their front pages!!!!

And as I write this the howling winds are yet again hitting my windows here with great force...

We're in deep shite folks...I tend to tell it like it is, rather than skirt around it, for we don't have much time to turn this all around...and as our Leaders, unlike Raoni, give sod all about Mother Earth and everything for Continuous Fecking Growth, it seems to me we may have even less time than many of us assume......


Oh..and they interviewd the bloke in Sidmouth who lost half his cliff top garden to the sea a few years back, and he was saying he thought there was around 1,000 years left before his garden and house would have disappeared into the sea. Now, he reckons it will be around 30 years..and there are calls to protect one side of Sidmouth from the raging tides, for there are grave fears that a large part of the town will soon be flooded....

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Allan Conn
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 05:49 PM

"People are now saying that perhaps it might be best for Charles to stand down as the heir, as a young couple with children would be better as King and Queen when HM passes away."

One of the polls showed that only 48% of people in the UK think that Charles should automatically inherit the throne on the Queen's death. Of course he will inherit it as he is first in line. It isn't an election.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Allan Conn
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 05:53 PM

Actually I got that wrong it is even worse for Charles. Only 39% thought he should inherit it. 48% thought William should! ICM poll earlier this year

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 11:33 PM

But, as Allan says, it doesn't matter at all what polls say. Our monarchy is hereditary, not elective.

~M~

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 12:32 AM

Carol Midgley, in her yesterday's Times2 opinion piece, devoted a column headed "That's enough baby talk" to how fed up she is already with all the royal baby stuff, echoing much that has been so predictably said by all the usual-suspect miseries on this thread.

More than one way for a journo to cash in on the occasion, eh?

~M~

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 01:45 PM

What price would all the Royalists like to place on the life of Jacintha Saldanha who has seemingly taken her own life.

My sister committed suicide, I saw close up and first hand the devastation it caused to my parents and to the rest of our family.

No doubt you will all blame the media hacks who phoned the hospital, or blame the naive nurse who answered their queries.

I can also guess that not a single one of you will blame the stupid merry-go-round that surrounds the idiocy that is the sycophantic following of the "Royal" Family.

Sleep well Jacintha.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 01:55 PM

Well I'm an anti-royalist and I understand that sentiment well, but I think we'd better be careful for a little while before we decide who to "blame."

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 02:13 PM

I'm not a royalist (or an anti-royalist for that matter) but I think it's a bit daft to try and blame the royal family itself for this....on a par with blaming Thatcher for every economic error of the Brown government.

If it wasn't royals it'd be some other celebrity who was the "target of the week" for the media...and the media wouldn't do it if they didn't sell more papers by doing it.

(remember the "hilarious" Russell Brand/ Jonathan Ross prank phone call to Andrew Sachs?)

So, if you want to take it to its logical "Spartist" conclusion, "we are all guilty" as the go-ahead Reverend Dr Spacely-Trellis might have said.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 02:14 PM

Steve, you're probably correct, but even now 36 after the event on September 18th 1976 I can still see the ragged faces of my parents.

Mum is still with us thankfully, aged 88, but I doubt there is a single day goes past without her thinking of the daughter she lost.

If it were not for the hysteria that surrounds the Windors this woman may still be alive with the love and support of a family herself.

One can only surmise.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 02:17 PM

Bu we don't actually know why she did this, or even if it was in fact suicide. I have every sympathy with you and your family, Raggytash; however we should perhaps wait and see what really happened here.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 02:21 PM

Ron Naylor, please do me some credit. At NO point have I suggested that the "Royal" family are at fault. Please read my thread, I suggested that the stupid merry-go-round that surrounds them was perhaps at fault, nothing more.

You also need to understand that I have very personal feelings regarding suicide, that perhaps, thankfully, many do not.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 02:32 PM

Raggytash, you have mail! :-)

When a close relative of mine was in hospital a few years ago, there was no way that anyone except one designated person, who the hospital had to agree to, could get any information about him at all, either by telephone or in person. They would talk only to his wife, unless she, in person, had given express permission for them to talk to another family member. Had that eminently sensible protocol been in place at the hospital where the Duchess was treated, there is no way that anyone, even someone claiming to be the Queen, could have got past the switchboard.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 03:50 PM

You would think there would be way more layers of safety built in...that would be SOP for even an ordinary citizen, much less a celebrity or royal family etc. I think her security needs can not be met at that hospital and I would look into military hospitals if there are such in the area. Secure her first, arrange for good equipment to be there and bring in top doctors, but don't put her in a place where security is so lax.

Anyway, here is the story about the nurse..terrible tragedy...she apparently did not give out the information but put the call through to the nursing station...but why would you give out information to parents anyway? mg

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 03:54 PM

Here is a sentence I would like to offer to all British hospitals which could easily prevent this sort of thing in future.

"Would your Majesty like to ask the father?"

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 08:06 PM

Yes Jack. The Aussie DJs are getting it in the neck, and maybe they should (though I can't help feeling that they didn't expect in a million years to get past the switchboard), but the hospital was very lax in allowing the call to get through to the ward. There should have been far stricter security procedures in place than was apparently the case. But let's see what comes out about this poor nurse. When someone kills themselves it's easy to look around for blame. Those of us who have first-hand experience know how destructive that is. The one person who could clear up the reasons for us isn't here any more. Worth remembering before we get too judgemental.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 08:08 PM

Looks like I'm having a go at you slightly there, Jack. That was not what I intended at all.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Bring on the republic
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 10:02 PM

Fatal case of sycophancy.
Did she curtsey herself to death?
Inherited privilege, divine right of kings etc.
What a crock of shit.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: gnu
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 10:24 PM

GUEST,Bring on the republic... 2 posts in less than an hour. Only posts you ever posted at Mudcat. Unless you post under other names but that will eventually be examined by the mods. Troll em if ya got em, eh?... while ya can.

Do you really think you can keep this shit up?

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 01:20 AM

She was assassinated by MI6 to make the royal breeding program immune to criticism?

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Bring on the republic
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 01:27 AM

BAN ALL JOKES AND PRANKS

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Backwoodsman sans Cookie
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 01:42 AM

Better still, BAN ALL GUEST POSTINGS IN BS.
Fuck the trolls Right Royally.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Allan Conn
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 03:59 AM

"(though I can't help feeling that they didn't expect in a million years to get past the switchboard"

You wouldn't expect to get past the switchboard which is mabye the point. I heard the call the other day and you can hear the guy sniggering in disbelief saying something like "they're not actually putting us through". They knew very well that there was no way they should be put through but didn't care as long as they got their laugh!! No-one could have expected this to happen but they must have known (if they have at least half a brain) that at the very least the aftermath would put the nurses under pressure and perhaps even put their jobs, or someone else's, at risk. Prank calls as entertainment is all very well but the point is there has to be a line. When you start messing with people's jobs you've crossed it.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 04:11 AM

This case reminds me of the Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand stupid and outrageous 'prank' where they made phone calls which upset and horrified the recipient, sniggering all the while. Schoolboy silliness, but in grown adults, much more deplorable.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 04:51 AM

Whilst the DJs must take some of the responsibility for the death of this poor woman, the consequence of their action was totally unforseen. I would suggest that more responsibility lies with the pressure from the press, the snotty hospital trying to protect its reputation, the formidable Windsor PR machine and the public for its vicarious and onanistic interest in this disfunctional family.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: theleveller
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 05:20 AM

Above was me - someone nicked my cookie.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 06:06 AM

You wouldn't expect to get past the switchboard which is mabye the point. I heard the call the other day and you can hear the guy sniggering in disbelief saying something like "they're not actually putting us through". They knew very well that there was no way they should be put through but didn't care as long as they got their laugh!! No-one could have expected this to happen but they must have known (if they have at least half a brain) that at the very least the aftermath would put the nurses under pressure and perhaps even put their jobs, or someone else's, at risk. Prank calls as entertainment is all very well but the point is there has to be a line. When you start messing with people's jobs you've crossed it.

Agreed, but in the context of media interference in innocent people's lives this is just one more incidence of it among thousands. The tragic development has made this one all the more newsworthy. Just watch the junk media feed on it, doubtless revelling in indignant hypocrisy.

Whilst the DJs must take some of the responsibility for the death of this poor woman...

They are not responsible for the death of the nurse. They are responsible for playing a misplaced prank of the sort that almost never ends in a tragedy like this. I agree with the rest of what you say.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Allan Conn
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 06:23 AM

I agree Steve the media are hypocrites. They think nothing of hounding people without regard to how it affects the individual.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: theleveller
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 06:38 AM

Well, I sort of agree with you, Steve - bit like blaming the iceberg for the sinking of the Titanic.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: Mooh
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 07:55 AM

Without even considering the tragic decision of someone to take her own life, a prank call to interrupt front line health care workers just seems stupid and irresponsible to me. Hospitals have better things to do than answer prank calls. It's bad enough that society seems to think it's okay to interrupt just anyone's life with needless and irritating phone calls, but to distract health care workers in their important work is dumb. This isn't Bart Simpson calling the local pub, this is a radio show trying to get a laugh out of harassing and victimizing a hospital and its workers. This is an otherwise legitimate business (radio station) lacking judgement, behaving like a juvenile bully, then excusing itself.

When was it ever okay to make prank calls, especially to a hospital?

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: Prince William and Kate expecting a baby
From: GUEST,BrendanB lost cookie
Date: 08 Dec 12 - 08:03 AM

While you cannot foresee all the effects of your actions this does not exonerate you from accepting responsibility for the consequences. Given that the nurse would still be alive if this prank had not been perpetrated the radio station, 2dayfm, is responsible for her death, albeit unintentionally. This IMO is made worse by the statement from the radio station that it had not broken any laws, in spite of the the fact that they did not get their permission to broadcast the nurses, even though this is a requirement in Australia.
It will be interesting to see whether 2dayfm actually do anything to show that they recognise they have any responsibility for the results of their pranks.