BS: Coyote Problems?

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 07:32 AM

No regrets coyote...!

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 11:37 PM

No. That would be Greg.
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Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 10:22 PM

Of course that would be cannibalism for you, Krinkle cut.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 08:57 PM

Those are free, sailor boy. Every time you catch and eat one. Free pelt. Like the free prize in every box of Cracker Jack.
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Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 05:40 PM

How much for a Norway rat pelt?

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 05:18 PM

For US $75.00 I can buy a whole coyote pelt. For about $20 I can buy an entire skunk pelt (unscented). For considerably more I can buy an entire black bear pelt.

Don't need any of them. I might buy the coyote pelt if I could use it to scare Hank, tho.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 02:52 PM

It is interesting that Crank-el said "Norway" rat. Don't the legends of trolls originate from up around Norway?

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: gnu
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 01:38 PM

You Tube "deer jump over". They just appear in your face.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 01:05 PM

Speaking as a big bad wolf
I think you should respect the gulf
Between the likes of me and the prairie dog
So jot these details in your blog!
A coyote creeps up and gives a fright
It also has a nasty bite.
Whereas I have pleasant features,
All of us wolves are kindly creatures.
we howl at the moon, most every night
But thats lupine tradition, that's our right.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 11:29 AM

Google "University of Arkansas Jonesboro football"

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 11:28 AM

Yesterday I might have agreed with Krinkle about the species thing, but Carol straightened me out. The lines between species, especially subspecies are not all that all that clear. As it turns out, while may matings are fruitless and some are sterile, some can produce fertile offspring and of those that do can possess a blend of survival traits more adapted to conditions than either parent. Those would tend to thrive. A possible example being the Red Wolf.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 11:19 AM

I would like to see Red Wolves return.
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Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 11:15 AM

Glad to hear it's not as bad as some stories make out, 999.

I agree with Bat Godess about the deer. A few years ago I was going South down the M5 in Devon, in lane 3 (the "outside" lane) when a huge deer came leaping over the barrier and landed on the front of my car. Made a right mess of the car but a split second later and it would have been throught the windscreen and I wouldn't be typing this...How it made it across the three lanes on the northbound side in the first place I'll never know. Scary.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 11:14 AM

I've travelled through New Hampshire. One of the prettiest places I've ever been. Vermont is nice too.
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Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 11:12 AM

They took one off the highway killed by a car here that was over 90 lbs. I suspect what they are calling coyotes here are wolves. We have lots and lots of coyotes but is suspect seeing them and the tracks and the fact they are running in a pack that it is wolves that people are saying big big coyotes.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 11:11 AM

I mean like you and the Norway Rat.
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Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 09:59 AM

Ya mean like Donkeys and Horses, Crank-El?

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 09:37 AM

Again, I've been living in the middle of the woods, 33 acres of trees and rock, in Nottingham, New Hampshire (southern part of the state -- midway between Portsmouth and Concord).

The closest I've come to being threatened by wild animals was the persistence of and refusal to pay rent by a bunch of flying squirrels who set up housekeeping in the dormer. Gray squirrels tear around the outside of the house and peer in the windows and make faces at the cats. We also had/have a gray squirrel "terrarium" between the inner and outer panes in a window in the living room. It's kinda cool to watch mama rear her younguns from nursing stage to teaching them how to leave the window. We also had a nursery colony of Little Brown Bats in the peak of the roof. The only danger there is the thought of the amount of fertilizer above my head. Since the house was tightened up and the peak of the bedroom ceiling sealed last year, that's not something that really concerns me. Thought for a while there, though, that we should get a grant or something as a wildlife refuge.

A young opossum ran up to Tom's feet one night when he came home from The Press Room. He looked up at Tom, thought to himself "This isn't Mom" and hightailed it under the deck. Early one summer morning I stepped out onto the quarterdeck with a cup of tea in my hand and saw movement to the left -- some smallish white critter was weaving between my flower pots. At first I thought it was a cat, but it turned out to be an almost all white skunk. We watched each other. I stood there with my tea and he kept an eye on me as he crossed the deck in front of me and disappeared down the steps and under the deck.

We've had good-sized raccoons, porcupines, woodchucks (not the Vermont variety), fox, fishers and a couple normal-sized coyotes. There have been troops (parades?) of wild turkeys. The beaver stay on the other side of the road in the marshy ponds off Gravel Pit Road (which is too rough for cars). Deer regularly nibble my hostas, but I'm trying to put a stop to that. Or else they tear across the driveway as if being chased by Elmer Fudd and leap the stone wall uphill into my neighbor's field above us.

The moose hang out around the power lines. I've only seen them when they come out to graze in the marsh I can see from Rte. 4. Black bear seem to like the more populated areas -- an adolescent dashed across Rte 125 in front of me within sight of Lee Traffic Circle and a couple shopping centers. Another full grown one was in a grassy area close to Sagamore Golf Course on the ocean side of I-95.

The most dangerous to ME are the deer when they cross the road in front of my car. Twice I've had as close of an encounter as you can have without doing damage to neither deer nor car. The last time the doe jumped out of nowhere (wooded area) and landed smack in front of me -- driver's side of the car and I was going about 35mph. Before I could even respond, she was gone in a clatter of tiny hooves. (It was July and my car windows were open.) Only by the grace of God and the fact she was going like a bat out of hell saved both of us. Now THAT was scary. At night I watch for shadows or eyes up ahead...

Mostly leave 'em alone and you'll be okay. If the animal is not acting normal or seems sick, call the animal officer, police or Fish & Game. Don't do anything stupid.

We've got bobcats out there, too, and at least one Eastern Mountain Lion although no one will officially admit it. But they're shy and don't like to be seen (while they're keeping the deer and other populations down).

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 09:30 AM

One is a descendant of the other, much as modern humans are likely a result of both European Early Modern Humans (Cro-Magnon) and possibly Neanderthals. No point splitting hairs.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 09:23 AM

They are the same species, Greg. Or cross breeding would be impossible.
Like negroes and caucasians. Same species. Homo Sapiens.
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Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 09:16 AM

Canis lupus has about forty subspecies. Canis lupus familiaris is one of them. Feral dogs are domestic dogs that have gone wild. When they cross-breed with wolves or coyotes they can often inherit the smarts of the wolf or coyote and because they have little fear of people from their 'domesticus' background they can be very dangerous. Fido ain't yer lapdog no more.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 08:43 AM

Not what I read. Domesticated wolves.
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Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 08:33 AM

Feral dogs....They are the same species as the wolf.

No, Crank-El, they most assuredly are not.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 08:19 AM

Hi, Pete. It's not as bad as it sounds. Threads of this nature bring out the stories--all true I don't doubt--but they are stories from people who have been where the various animals live. Don't interfere with their lives and they won't interfere with yours. Most of the tales involve people who have chanced upon one or more of the bigger creatures that would certainly dine on human should the opportunity present itself. I live in Canada (also the US for five years way back) and have spent about eight years total in what can be called wilderness territory. In that time, by a quick count, I have encountered two black bears, one cougar (it was making tracks to go elsewhere), a half dozen or so coyotes, three wolves, one bobcat and that's about all. I always wanted to see a lynx but they are very elusive. I heard a grizzly once and I got the heck out of there. They definitely make me nervous.

Sometimes I was carrying a gun, but not often. As a few people have mentioned, keep your wits about you, pay attention to what you're doing, store your food away from where you sleep and things will be good. It's when these creatures get used to people that problems occur. A natural fear/caution/respect is healthy for both parties.

I awoke one morning in Yosemite National Park (California) with bear tracks near my sleeping bag. The bears have become used to people and lost their fear of us. That's too bad. I've met people who proudly show snapshots of themselves approaching elk, sheep, deer and even one guy trying to get friendly with a moose. I call them lupids. They're a hybrid: LUcky to be showing the snapshots and stuPID for being in them.

I would opine that there are more dog attacks on people in North America than wild animal attacks. They are really quite rare given the numbers of people who venture into parks and some wild country. Often they are--as ollaimh alluded to--a little green and perhaps a bit to entranced by the 'oneness of all nature's creatures'. Wild animals are just that: wild. Don't get between them and where they've always gone and you'll be ok. They spend their lives looking for food. No point confusing them.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 07:15 AM

Thank God I live in England!

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 07:04 AM

"In the animal world I'm more concerned with wasps or a spider in the outhouse than I am about being attacked by a coyote, mountain lion, or wolf."

I agree with that, Rap, but ollaimh's grizzlies outta be added to your wasp and spider list, particularly the winter grizzlies. They aren't 'particular' eaters if you catch my drift.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 05:26 AM

MudCATTERS.MEOW!
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Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: GUEST,big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 05:06 AM

'Apparently I stand a better chance of being attacked by feral dogs.'

no way to speak of your fellow mudcatters, henry!

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: gnu
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 04:20 AM

Virginia Whitetail deer often have ticks that carry Lyme disease. Don't know about fleas.

Rap... when you kill one a them there spiders, mount the antlers on the outhouse as a warning to the others and Bob's yer uncle.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 12:47 AM

The Coyote's side

The Mark Twain quote at the start is brilliant!!

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 12:42 AM

Apparently I stand a better chance of being attacked by feral dogs.
They are the same species as the wolf. A pack killed an elderly couple near here.
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Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 12:20 AM

Well my sympathy is completely with Henry.

If I were you. I'd kill the bastards. Get a rocket launcher and an AK47 - blow the mangy canine away = in fact vaporise the bugger.

I have extensive knowledge of these beasts and I can tell you from grim experience that a coyote calling out means only one thing - you are about to be attacked by Indians!

In fact get the weapons out and put up the shutters. Its quiet out there - too quiet!

zoom! thud!

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 12:13 AM

Oh, hell's bells! We have wolf, grizzly and black bear, mountain lion, fox, coyote, skunk, and God alone knows what else in these here hills. The worst I came across was a rattlesnake and I threw that (living) into the river I was fishing. Yeah, I sometimes carry a pistol into the brush (sage, among other types), but I haven't had to use it on an animal yet -- the four-legged types will leave you alone unless a) you do something really stupid, like try to pet one or, b) they're rabid or otherwise sick.

In the animal world I'm more concerned with wasps or a spider in the outhouse than I am about being attacked by a coyote, mountain lion, or wolf.

On the other hand, I am far more concerned about two legged types because they're DAMNED unpredictable.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: ollaimh
Date: 06 Dec 12 - 12:04 AM

when i lived in the deep remote rocky mountains with grizzly bear neighbours and lots of black bears. there were coyotes and timber wolves, although never at the same time.

they used to call grizzlies fool killers. there were people who would say they had as much right to be in the woods as bears, and they's get killed every now and then if you live in wild country you have take notice of what's around and act intelligently. i had no guns. i did share a pack of a dozen or so malamutes(we sold them occasionally so the number varried), most predators will veer aroung big dogs and take the eaay route. in the winter when i was cross country skying i would see timber wolves fairly close--for about ten seconds. they don't hang around. very imressive animals. when grizzlies were around i made as wide a berth as possible.grizzlies actually waken once or twice in the winter, unlike black bears. that's when you really don't want to meet one, they are hungry then.

i was never bothered by coyotes, but if someone showed up with a gun theysatyed much further away. they understood what a gun was. you rarely see wolves near people and not for very long.

and crank-el, i like those grizzlies a lot more then i like you, and they made a lot more sense.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: GUEST,marks(on the road)
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 11:33 PM

Listen to "A Cowboys Paean" by Tom Rush on his "Trolling for Owls" CD. Solve all your coyote problems.
You might get a free listen on Amazon - could not find it in the Digitrad or on You Tube.
Mark

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 09:52 PM

Good point Gnu. Deer don't have ticks and fleas?

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 07:17 PM

"If you have to shoot a wild animal, other than a game animal,..."

Huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 07:06 PM

I didn't know you can get rabies from fleas.
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Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 05:36 PM

Hmm good advice pdq. Call the wildlife people.

If you are worried about the legal aspects

Put the gun in the coyote's paws and claim it was suicide.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: pdq
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 05:23 PM

"If you do kill an attacking coyote. Save the head so that they can test it for rabies."


If you have to shoot a wild animal, other than a game animal, walk away as quickly as you can.

As soon as the body stops producing the normal gases such as CO2, the fleas jump to the first live replacement they can find, which will be you.

The fleas may carry plague, rabies or another ones of dozens of diseases.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 05:03 PM

Rap... "If you ARE attacked (unlikely), do as Kendall said and go for the eyes. Use a stick as a spear. Fight back, but note: this does not apply to bears!"

Sticks work well on bears if you only have a stick. Just don't go for the eyes... go for the mouth if you can, ie, if it's open.

There have been many threads in this forum with a lot of info and they are worth reading if you you think you may ever encounter a bear, yote, wolf, fox....

As for any wild animals owning any territory, I am of the opinion that I won't mess with them if they don't mess with me. Now, I respect their HOME territory and I KNOW there are places I just should not go into. And I don't do that. BUT, if I am there by mistake as when I explore new territory, I expect them to give me a break and I don't go back. If I am in "neutral" territory and they mess with me, they are dead. If they mess with me in my territory, I terminate them with extreme prejudice after appropriate warning(s).

Tree huggers who have never be amongst the trees or have never farmed are laughable to me. Hmmm... would be laughable if their ignorance wasn't so detrimental to folks that live off the land.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 04:57 PM

More importantly, we should be supplying firearms to the coyotes so they can protect themselves from idiots like Crank-El.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 04:49 PM

In humans the condition called scabies is caused by the same mite.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 03:59 PM

Forgive me Mudcat for taking Krinkle seriously even though we are just his puzzle and toy.   When I drive trough South Carolina they have public service announcements saying not to hunt coyotes at night because they look and act so much like red wolves. Perhaps they are not as endangered as you thought.

This article says the species may even be a cross between wolves and Coyotes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_wolf

Obviously Mr. Krinkle you have as much right to the woods as the coyote/wolf/dog, whatever it is. (Carol says it is probably a chupacabra) But animals being spared the pleasure of dealing with lawyers are blissfully unaware of your rights.

One of which is the right to bear arms. If it were me I would purchase a light, easy to carry, double barreled 410 gauge shot gun or pistol, one barrel to shoot into the ground as previously suggested, one barrel to "go for the eyes" as Kendall so sagely suggested.

The 410 would have plenty of stopping power for a dog or Coyote. It would not have the range to endanger distant people or animals with a missed shot.

Carol suggests that bear repellant, (large cans of pepper spray) would be effective with the side effect of not killing the animal. She always thinks of the humane way. She used to do animal rescue and work in a zoo.

If you do kill an attacking coyote. Save the head so that they can test it for rabies.

Did you know that most most US chupacabra sightings in the US turn out to be coyotes with extreme mange?

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 12:52 PM

The beasts that killed Taylor Mitchell (link in first message on thread) are called Eastern Coyote (Coywolf) and are a cross between Timber (grey) Wolves and coyotes. They grow much larger and stronger than the common coyote and they hunt in family packs like wolves.
Eastern Coyote (Coywolf)

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 12:43 PM

You're not very nice, ollie.
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Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: ollaimh
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 12:41 PM

i love any one who calls him crank-el

i rooting for the coyotes when crank-el is in the woods!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 12:28 PM

We have copperheads too. Big ones.
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Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 12:23 PM

That was addressed to Bat Goddess.

Subject: RE: BS: Coyote Problems?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 12:16 PM

It may have been a coyote/dog cross-breed.