BS: Shooting tragedies and guns

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Elmore
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 07:35 PM

Moving from Southern New Hampshire to the North Georgia Mountains. Am I legally required to carry a gun in church?

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 07:39 PM

Well, hail yeah, El-mo-rowa... Ye'd bedder be packin' sum heat 'cause the praecherman sho is...

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 07:54 PM

There's a 6 month waiting period while the culture shock wears off....then after that all the bullets must be blessed.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Janie
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 07:58 PM

As best I can tell, your rural New Hampshire preacher is no more or no less likely to be "packing" than is a Georgia preacher.

Cut the stereotyping, please. It adds nothing and only reveals your ignorance and prejudice toward southerners.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: GUEST,999
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 08:00 PM

And this brings us around to Judge Roy Bean. Yep!

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Elmore
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 08:11 PM

Janie: Southern New Hampshire is a suburb of Boston, and we really are moving to Eric Rudolph country. Leaving Mudcat for a couple of hours to watch Ellis Paul.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: gnu
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 08:32 PM

Janie... thanks.

Ya know... this thread drift reminds me of a troll protest thread years back. Kinda folkie in a way. Kinda heart warming for me. People deciding to talk about beans rather than the same old shit about guns that has been flogged ad infinitum herein.

Not that such a discussion is not important "each and every time" it is brought up.... but, more to the fact that when such threads become about the posters moreso than the subject... well, beans to that.

I had a request for a "French Canuck" pea soup recipe a day or so ago. Yellow split pea recipe. Sent MY recipe back. But, I didn't add this... sometimes, I throw in some beans. Sometimes I get really crazy and throw in a LOT. I mean, if yer gonna fart anyway... ?

Beans in pea soup you ask??? Yeah! I am a wild and crazy guy. Try it... you'll like it.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Janie
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 08:37 PM

I live in North Carolina, Elmore. I won't go into details but have reason to think Rudolph may have stolen a kayak from our campsite in the NC mountains several years before his apprehension. Rudolph's crime and his attitude have little or nothing to do with being a southerner, and nothing at all to do with Georgia.   

This is a national issue and problem, not a regional one. It also is not a rural vs. urban issue. More rural households are probably likely to own hunting rifles than urban households, but I would guess the percentage of urban households with a handgun is at least equal to rural households with a handgun and possibly higher, though I couldn't find the correct search terms to see if that info. is available on line.

And in terms of mass gun killings in the past decade+, neither the south as a region, nor southerners as the shooters stand out. http://www.newsmax.com/US/mass-shootings-us-colorado/2012/07/20/id/445971

Personally, I'd be a lot more worried about personal safety living in any urban area than I would be living in any more rural area, no matter the region of the USA.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Janie
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 08:43 PM

Please tell me you don't add sweetener to your pea soup, gnu. Beans, fine. Sweetener, not!

If we are gonna get into stereotyping, I'll have my stab. What is wrong with youse northerners that you add sweetener to beans or cornbread recipes, instead of to iced-tea?

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Elmore
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 09:01 PM

For the love of God, Janie I was only making a little lame joke. Granted, this is a serious topic, but it's been talked to death. My wicked stepson, who lives in Towns County, our future home pointed a woodsy area out to me and told me it was where Rudolph was captured. I'm not even sure if we were in N.C or Ga.

,

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Janie
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 09:03 PM

For the sake of clarity, Elmore, I understand that 3 of the 4 bombings linked to Rudolph occurred in the Atlanta area and so it is inaccurate to say they had nothing to do with Georgia. But Rudolph had nothing to do with Georgia wasn't raised there and doesn't appear to have lived there. There is no evidence that his "Christian Identity" politics and philosophy of hate are uniquely linked to Georgia or to the South. Sadly, those who hold to these "fringe" ideas and who are prepared to commit violence because of their beliefs are likely thinly but uniformly distributed throughout the population.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Janie
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 09:19 PM

We cross-posted Elmore.


Now, if ya'll really wanna get me revved up, start talking about rednecks or West Virginia hillbillies:>)

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Elmore
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 09:26 PM

Janie, Peace. I'm pretty sure our views on this subject are similar. Regards, Elmore.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Janie
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 09:33 PM

You are moving to a beautiful and remote part of the southern Appalachians, Elmore. Apparently near Murphy, NC but on the Georgia side of the line. When my ex and I first laid our plans to move to NC we thought we were headed to Murphy so ex could study with a traditionally trained Cherokee healer. That person was married to a physician/pharmacist who up and jumped to a job as a researcher for a pharmaceutical company in the Raleigh/Durham area just as we were packing, so we made a hard turn toward the east instead, and landed on the northeast Piedmont, near Durham and Chapel Hill. You still won't be a short drive but much closer than New Hampshire. Not a bad drive at all from where Bobert lives, and also Chance and Suzette (Fortunato on Mudcat.) Stay in touch!

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 09:39 PM

Wes Ginny hillbillies???

Hmmmmmm??? I can relate...

Redneck???

Hmmmmmm??? I can relate...

Face it... A lot of us been a lot of things that people would stereotype... None of us are all the pure and, geeze, a lot of us have a good amount of hillbilly or redneck in us... I mean, even these pointy headed, Volvo drivin', latte sipping "elitists"... LOL...

And the best thing about it??? Vice versa... People is people and, for the most part, they are hybrids...

But no matter that 'cause this thread is about something that can end people being people real fast: guns...

People *with guns* kill people...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Janie
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 09:46 PM

bobert et beans at my house, but no windows got shot out because of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Janie
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 09:47 PM

Nor blown out. At least, not before I left for work early the next morning.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 10:08 PM

I tried my best, Janie, butt....

Good beans, though... But not window blowin' out good... I thinks some Pete's "Hot Sauce" and I'd give 'um another shot...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Charmion
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 12:24 AM

For hot stuff in beans, I favour piri-piri sauce.

Why do no'theners put sweet stuff in beans? That's a darned good question, and I wish I had an answer to it. My best guess is that back in the day (say, circa 1820), molasses was just about the only flavouring material reliably available throughout the winter in New Englander, the Maritime provinces and Quebec. Sulfurated molasses was also the primary source of iron -- not that those folks knew why that mattered.

Anyway, we still make beans pretty well just as our great-great-grandcestors did, except of course for the tomato. Everybody back then knew they were poison.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: GUEST,999
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 09:37 AM

I recall my gran making warm milk with a spoon of black strap molasses in it. I got that after the teaspoon of cod liver oil in cold weather months. To this day I like the taste of both.

Et tu, Janie? Beans without sweetener is just beans, but now you mention it the baked beans I had in Jacksonville were not sweetened all that much--well, not as much as you'd find here.

As for hot sauces added to beans, there's hot then there's hot. I kinda hang around the 7/10 area of heat added to foods. That's just a bit before the tongue blisters I guess. However, I don't much care for tasteless sauces, so if it's just hot it won't cut it for this old boy.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 09:49 AM

The sweet v. sour war is also being fought right here in the South 'cept it ain't about beans as much as it is about BBQ...

Ya' see, in North Carolina, especially in the eastern part, people like their BBQ sauce real vinegar & pepper-ie but you go 300-400 miles west toward Memphis, Tn. and it's tomato & sugar-ie...

The in-betweens stay at each others throats over the two styles and it's Southern tradition to argue over which is best and why... Some of the finest arguments I have ever heard occur at these BBQ cook-offs...

BTW, it's a good thing that folks don't bring their AR15s to these cook-offs...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 12:42 PM

I've tried many brands of baked beans, and Atlantic brand is the best of the lot. They are so good I never bake beans myself anymore.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 02:22 PM

Is this an indication of the worth of US children?

A hill of beans?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 03:39 PM

Don, everything that can be said about that horror in Newtown has been said in every way, and I'm glad this thread has become more civilized.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: gnu
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 05:50 PM

La Belle and the Maritimes have always had maple slurpup, Charmion. AND molasses on accounta we have always sailed.

Re

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From:gnu - PM
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 04:06 PM

Nope. NO Libby's beans at the grocery stores here, 9.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: GUEST,999
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 06:12 PM

Thanks, gnu.

Don, not one of us does not decry the murders of those children. I didn't think another 600 posts of the same things everyone has said--done in bigger letters--would change anyone's position or disposition. However, my apologies for sidelining this thread. Anyone wishing to talk about beans is welcome to a thread I'll start entitled Beans: what do you know? For those who wish to argue here, my apologies for side-tracking the fight--have at it.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: gnu
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 06:13 PM

Don... I believe Kendall has said it. The fact that we discuss beans and leave all the bullshit fighting aside for at least a moment is a testement to the fact that we respect the victims and want this endless, self-aggrandising bullshit threadssssss to stop.

We all need good gun laws. We all need to get together and get the job done.

Maybe part of that job is baking some beans and having a good fart. Taking a break from the bullshit? We can't seem to break bread... maybe we can break wind together?

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 06:15 PM

The next round of discussions will come after Biden's Committee makes recommendations to Obama...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 06:28 PM

The bloviating is worth beans. The anger is worth beans. It never makes anything better and makes a lot of stuff worse, because those usually involved don't WANT to make anything better. They just want to play verbal light sabers with the other obnoxious kids. Seriously, I don't think many normal people want to come to a forum to fight about things that make them mad with people who make them mad, and know they don't have the slightest chance of making anything happen other than creating more "mad".

Beans. I never really like them all that much, but then people started talking about them in threads on Mudcat, and I had to go get beans.
I've found nothing that can beat Bush's Smokehouse Grillin' Beans. I have to admit I'm fond of anything smoked. Beans, bacon, cheese. Got some smoked mozzarella and portobello mushrooms yesterday, and now I have to come up with an idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: gnu
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 06:56 PM

Jeri... "I have to admit I'm fond of anything smoked." Hmmm... minds me of another Mudcatter... or three.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 08:42 PM

""It never makes anything better and makes a lot of stuff worse, because those usually involved don't WANT to make anything better. They just want to play verbal light sabers with the other obnoxious kids.""

Thank you Jeri, for getting at my and probably several others' motives so completely wrong.

Perhaps it is time to look elsewhere.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 08:46 PM

Don, thank you.

Gnu, not anything that has to actually burn. (More for the other guys.)

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: GUEST,999
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 08:59 PM

Don, if I don't see you around tomorrow, I hope you have a great New Year: good health, good heart and good time.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Dec 12 - 09:45 PM

What Don said...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: bobad
Date: 31 Dec 12 - 07:50 AM

This video makes the point of why more people arming themselves with guns for protection not a good idea: http://www.upworthy.com/the-nra-thinks-more-guns-are-the-answer-bless-their-hearts-then-watch-this?g=2

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Wesley S
Date: 31 Dec 12 - 02:42 PM

Here's what one idiot sent to the local paper:

I do not own any guns — particularly any of the so-called "assault" weapons — but I am so angry over the media's continuous attention to the premise that the particular type of firearm used in the tragic Newtown shootings is the root of the problem.
It is not the type of weapon used, but the fact that a deranged person was able to get a weapon with ammunition and use it. What arguments would you be hearing today on TV or the radio if the shooter had used a commonly found pump-action shotgun and a common handgun? He may have killed a few less children, but would that tragedy be any less a tragedy if only 15 children had been brutally murdered?"

"but would that tragedy be any less a tragedy if only 15 children had been brutally murdered?"


Well in a word - Yes.

Guns are tools. Saws cut boards in half. Hammers pound nails into boards. The weapons used that day are designed for only one thing. To kill a large amount of people in a short time. And tragically - that Friday they worked very well indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Ron Davies
Date: 01 Jan 13 - 12:30 PM

This attitude is depressingly widespread, and confirms the obvious conclusion that we are not likely to get reasonable gun laws soon.

Probably our best bet is that Kennedy will read some history and realize the actual purpose of the 2nd Amendment--so the next 5-4 will be the other way.

Then we'll hear unlimited outrage by the Neandethals--again--that the Court is "making law, not just interpreting it."

But if you are truly a strict constructionist, as the NRA et al. allege to be, the intent of the Founding Fathers is very clear--and clearly outdated.

Unless you really do think national defense by militia is better than national defense by a standing army. Too bad the militia approach was an almost unmitigated disaster right from the start.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Ron Davies
Date: 01 Jan 13 - 12:37 PM

"Neanderthals".   Perhaps better labeled "troglodytes"--don't want to be unfair to Neanderthals.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jan 13 - 10:25 AM

The NRA wants to put this 100% on mental health issues and 0% on the the types of guns that are raking them in million$$$...

Here's an idea... Take all the profits from gun sales and use them to fund the community mental health services that have been cut, cut and cut some more going back every year since the 1980s...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Jan 13 - 12:18 PM

Unfortunately, this latest tragedy and the natural uproar over it served to trigger MORE sales of guns... and AR-15s are sold out in most places. Congress 'may' pass some sort of law, but those who own guns are smugly happy with their arsenals.... I just don't know what might be done. But I DO know that all those hypocritical and superficial ideas about "improved mental health" and "enforcement of existing laws" will get the same bland lip service they always have.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jan 13 - 12:59 PM

That's why the NRA pops the corks every time some wacko kills a bunch of people, Bill... More murder = more $$$...

Actually, the NRA is in the murder business...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 02 Jan 13 - 01:08 PM

Let's make all gun owners (of any type of gun) belong to a well regulated milita.
Strict constructionists cannot possibly object to that.
This militia could be very useful...maybe after things like Sandy and Katrina...maybe for patrolling public places like malls, theatres and schools.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: gnu
Date: 02 Jan 13 - 03:37 PM

I clicked that link... stopped watching after a while and now I have a script error box that I cannot delete. Ithink it's innocuous but I guess I will have to reboot to get rid of it unless someone knows a quick fix?

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 02:17 AM

Seems like we used to have lots of those militias, TIA. Then some of them blew up a federal office building and spoiled it for everyone.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Stu
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 05:07 AM

"Then some of them blew up a federal office building and spoiled it for everyone."

Hold on . . . I thought people carried guns so they can protect themselves from government if they feel they are getting out of control? If so, then the atrocity of Oklahoma is merely an extension of these rights, and although we all agree this was a mindless slaughter, the pro-gun lobby can't really start whining about American citizens with bombs because they are exercising their rights under the second amendment to be armed.

Anyway, according to the pro gun-folk, bombs don't kill people. People kill people.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Howard Jones
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 05:23 AM

Could someone please explain to me how carrying guns "so they can protect themselves from government if they feel they are getting out of control" is compatible with a democracy?

Or, given that the US federal government commands one of the most powerful military forces in the world, what difference these people think their little cache of weapons might make?

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: theleveller
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 05:42 AM

"This militia could be very useful...maybe after things like Sandy and Katrina...maybe for patrolling public places like malls, theatres and schools."

Like many people outside the US, I'm astonished at the sort of mentality that can even contemplate, this. To begin with, how would it stop guns falling into the wrong hands, as in this instance? And would you really welcome - or even tolerate - armed militias wandering around your streets and schools? Would that make you feel safe? What kind of a society are you? Also, I thought that you had the National Guard for this sort of thing - and they, themselves, perpetrated a massacre at Kent State.

You really are a weird lot!

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 08:53 AM

Of course it was tongue in cheek. These well regulated militias are the police and National Guard! Nobody else needs guns. Certainly not the Michigan Militia (of OK City infamy).

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 09:32 AM

And there is something about "well regulated" that kinda gets lost in the NRA noise machine...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 09:33 AM

And...

...800...

B~