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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Mrrzy Date: 04 Aug 19 - 03:46 PM And 2 more. Since last night. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: punkfolkrocker Date: 04 Aug 19 - 01:00 PM Same all over the world throughout history... The old fanatics perpetuate bitter sectarian division and conflict by indoctrinating the young next generation with their vengeful hate... It will never stop... .. there's too much wealth to be made from it... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: gillymor Date: 04 Aug 19 - 12:50 PM michael, of course I wasn't accusing the old bastards of being the triggermen, in their maniacal defense of the anachronistic 2nd amendment they are the enablers. gillymor (old bastard, gun owner and former gun user) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: michaelr Date: 04 Aug 19 - 12:31 PM gillymor - don't hold your breath waiting for those bastards to die off. The El Paso shooter is 21, the Dayton shooter 24, the Gilroy shooter was 19. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Mossback Date: 04 Aug 19 - 09:09 AM How many more, Bruce? How many more? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: gillymor Date: 04 Aug 19 - 09:04 AM Time will take care of the BBs of the world. It feels like humanity is doing a backstep in this particular epoch while extreme right wingers with notions of American primacy on the world stage and white supremacy at home,a reversion to the values of the 1950's, are making one last desperate stand to protect their selfish, anti-human world view. As they die off we may start to see a saner, more humane world if we survive this onslaught. I may never see it but it's something to hope for and to fight for in whatever way you can. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 04 Aug 19 - 08:33 AM When USA has a president that has the guts to call out the gun lobby and take personal responsibility for normalising race hate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Jim Carroll Date: 04 Aug 19 - 08:07 AM The killing in El Paso has been linked to an on-line racist manifesto Many of the injuries inflicted on the wounded are described as 'life-thretening' Another incident in Dayton, Ohio has claimed another nine lives When will the BBs of this world ever learn !!! Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 04 Aug 19 - 05:52 AM Now add El Paso to the toll (20 killed, 26 injured) - Dayton didn't make the news here. Well I am not going to bother to repeat myself - Just reread my post of 29th July. I know that was a very long time ago as far as gun violence is concerned. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Mrrzy Date: 02 Aug 19 - 11:06 AM John Wayne and the Western "ideals" do have a lot to answer for. People thought Bush II was a cowboy [admired] but he was really a redneck. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Mossback Date: 01 Aug 19 - 09:10 PM If Brucie wants to whine about me, why's he citing someone else's comments? Why he's whining at all is another question -- OH WAIT!!I KNOW! Its all about that poor, downtrodden, persecuted class of Trumpist racists, white supremacists, anti-government, gun-toting clowns & other assorted assholes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: punkfolkrocker Date: 01 Aug 19 - 08:58 PM Bearded - stop being such a tit... [British ornithology joke..] So if a person says I could/want to/will/ kill you in exasperation or jest, you are going to automatically take it so literally you go out and buy an extra truck load of more guns and ammo, then lie in wait for them...!!!??? Bearded tit... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: beardedbruce Date: 01 Aug 19 - 07:52 PM Glad you are all ok with Mossback stating that all those who voted for Trump should be exterminated. You deserve each other. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Mossback Date: 01 Aug 19 - 06:32 PM Can anyone tell me why this kind of stupidity is allowed to remain on this forum? Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer, Steve. Bruceis Uber Alles. HEIL TRUMP!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Steve Shaw Date: 01 Aug 19 - 06:03 PM "As long as we have members of the Left stating they want to kill off those of us that disagree with them, there will be a large portion of the population who feel the need for some form of self-defense." Can anyone tell me why this kind of stupidity is allowed to remain on this forum? Joe? He's your mate after all...? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Jim Carroll Date: 01 Aug 19 - 02:47 PM Historically and politically violence in America has come from the right - from the Klan hanging blacks to 114 yeas of bombing peasants with burning petrol Now that Trump has won the backing of The Klan (historically the most violent paramilitary organization in America)that can only become an ongoing issue A WORLDWIDE PHENOMENON US RIGHT WING VIOLENCE TRUMP INCITED VIOLENCE AMERICA'S PROUD HISTORY OF VIOLENT ANTISEMITISM Left wing my arse Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: punkfolkrocker Date: 01 Aug 19 - 01:13 PM ..of.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: punkfolkrocker Date: 01 Aug 19 - 01:11 PM Beardy - yeah... I'm a lefty.. anyone know where I can get a cheap deal on a stockpile of guns and ammo... Obviously I need to defend myself against paranoid righwing nutjobs who are proactively arming themselves to the teeth, so they can defend themselves against me... I might need to get my counter-strike in first before they do...????? The madness or arms races and escalation in a nutshell... It's so much safer to live in the UK... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: beardedbruce Date: 01 Aug 19 - 12:54 PM As long as we have members of the Left stating they want to kill off those of us that disagree with them, there will be a large portion of the population who feel the need for some form of self-defense. "From: Mossback - PM Date: 19 Jun 19 - 09:14 PM Getting rid of Trumpshit won't accomplish a thing unless we can get rid of the 62,984,828 fuckwits who originally voted for him and more importantly the utter fuckwits that account for his current 40% - 45% approval rating. Subject: RE: BS: now California has got nutria From: Greg F. - PM Date: 19 Feb 18 - 06:51 PM Uh Hunh. Killer Rodents From Hades. Be better if Califoria expended its resources documenting and eradicating Republicans - that would benefit mankind a great deal more. All in all its just another rat in the wall...... HEY HUMANS!! LEAVE THEM RATS ALONE!! " |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Backwoodsman Date: 01 Aug 19 - 12:14 PM John P - well you’ve done a great job of grabbing the stick by the wrong end. Did you actually read what I said? From your thin-skinned, defensive piece above, it doesn’t appear you did. I’m on your side. My rant was against people like Bearded Bruce, and the huge number of other ‘from my dead hands’ gun-lunatics, headed up by the Agenda-Driven NRA, who insist that gun-controls will mean more shootings, and whose answer to the gun-violence in the US is ‘More Guns’ - the very same bigoted, violent sizeable minority you bemoan in your own rant. Nowhere have I said that ‘everyone in the US is responsible’ - if you believe that’s what I said, please point me to where I said it. And my point is that the UK and Australia have come up with a ‘concrete answer that is within the realms of possibility’, put it into effect, and the result is encapsulated in the numbers I quoted. We had 31 shooting-deaths (including suicides and accidents) in 2017, you had 39,000, IIRC. Those numbers speak volumes, yet Bruce still insists that the precise opposite would be the result if the kind of controls we have here were introduced in the US. No-one is saying it’s easy but, unless you are happy to accept almost 40,000 shooting-deaths a year, 12,000 of which are murders, something must be done. Hand-wringing and saying “It’s difficult” is about as much use as those ‘thoughts and prayers’ everybody offers when another group of innocent kids is murdered in their classrooms. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: John P Date: 01 Aug 19 - 11:27 AM Backwoodsman, most of the people in the United States are victims of this gun insanity. Please believe that we would fix it if we could. Are you mistaking our government for one which pays attention to the safety of it's citizens? What, exactly, are you proposing we do about it? If you can't come up with a concrete answer that is within the realms of possibility, please stop writing as if everyone in the US is responsible and can take effective action. Our country has been taken over by a bigoted, violent minority who have manipulated and perverted the forms of our government in order to ensure their rise to power, and to keep themselves there. And they have all the guns, including the army. Perhaps you could be more selective in your rants against people in the US. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Backwoodsman Date: 01 Aug 19 - 09:21 AM Aaahh! Thanks Bill, I wondered if it was something like that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Mossback Date: 01 Aug 19 - 07:14 AM Steve's lost you, BWM, because the posts of mine he's referring to have mysteriously disappeared - as this one likely will as well. Of, course, Bruce's nonsensical posts remain - Joe must be on watch. Cheers, Bill |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Backwoodsman Date: 01 Aug 19 - 02:06 AM ”Or maybe Duke Wayne. Well said, Bill.” Sorry, you’ve lost me there Steve! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Steve Shaw Date: 31 Jul 19 - 07:49 PM Or maybe Duke Wayne. Well said, Bill. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Mrrzy Date: 31 Jul 19 - 03:14 PM Why would we ever have to face our gun issue? We haven't yet, no matter who is massacred by whom. Sandy Hook didn't change anything. And the Gilroy and Las Vegas and so on shooters had all gotten their guns legally. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Backwoodsman Date: 31 Jul 19 - 02:09 PM I repeat..... But sooner or later, the problem the US has created for itself will have to be faced and dealt with. And I repeat, the answer to the problem of too many guns and too many unsuitable owners is not, and cannot be, ‘More Guns’, no matter what the NRA and small-dick gun-nuts say. That’s all. I’m gone. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: punkfolkrocker Date: 31 Jul 19 - 01:42 PM stupity.. yes I know.. Chrome spell check has stopped working again... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: punkfolkrocker Date: 31 Jul 19 - 01:40 PM We could guess, cynical as it may be, that USA Govt relies on the self culling and murderous stupity of it's citizens, to contain population growth...??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Backwoodsman Date: 31 Jul 19 - 01:31 PM OK, let’s look at the numbers again... ”Mortality All homicides Number of deaths: 19,510 Deaths per 100,000 population: 6.0 Firearm homicides Number of deaths: 14,542 Deaths per 100,000 population: 4.5 Now compare.... UK - total shooting deaths: 31 (deaths per 100,000 population: 0.048) Australia - total shooting deaths: 238 (deaths per 100,000 population: 0.95) What is the big difference between U.K./Australia vs. US? As you apparently don’t have the intellect to understand, or are so indoctrinated by NRA and bullet-head horse-shit, let me tell you - The U.K. and Australia have strong, rigidly enforced gun-laws, and severe penalties for carrying a firearm when in the commission of another crime. To be granted a licence to possess a firearm in the U.K., a person has to go through rigorous police-checks which are periodically re-checked, and has to prove need for that firearm. A very limited number of people can demonstrate that need because there are severe restrictions on what constitutes ‘need’. ‘Self-defence’ is not a legitimate ‘need’. QED. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: punkfolkrocker Date: 31 Jul 19 - 01:26 PM It is possible the USSR could win more Darwin Awards for stupid deaths per annum than the USA.. But I suspect it is a very close run competition...??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: punkfolkrocker Date: 31 Jul 19 - 01:19 PM so... guns, drugs, cars, bungee, parkour and freerunning, etc... How many total USA deaths are considered avoidable mortality due to some variety of gross human stupidity...??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Jim Carroll Date: 31 Jul 19 - 01:19 PM Whenever someone indulges in whataboutism if always leaves me with the impression that they are lost for an answer We'll be talking about driving cars next The statistics speak for themselves - America has a rapidly escalating gun problem which it needs to sort out - not make excuses for SOME COMPARATIVE STATISTICS Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: beardedbruce Date: 31 Jul 19 - 01:10 PM And for those who wish to legalize drugs... Mortality: Drug overdose/drug poisoning deaths Deaths per 100,000 population: 21.7 (2017) Drug overdose deaths involving any opioid per 100,000 population: 14.9 (2017) Drug overdose deaths involving heroin per 100,000 population: 4.9 (2017) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: beardedbruce Date: 31 Jul 19 - 01:06 PM From CDC Mortality All homicides Number of deaths: 19,510 Deaths per 100,000 population: 6.0 Firearm homicides Number of deaths: 14,542 Deaths per 100,000 population: 4.5 Mortality All suicides Number of deaths: 47,173 Deaths per 100,000 population: 14.5 Cause of death rank: 10 Firearm suicides Number of deaths: 23,854 Deaths per 100,000 population: 7.3 Suffocation suicides Number of deaths: 13,075 Deaths per 100,000 population: 4.0 Poisoning suicides Number of deaths: 6,554 Deaths per 100,000 population: 2.0 Mortality All injury deaths Number of deaths: 243,039 Deaths per 100,000 population: 74.6 All poisoning deaths Number of deaths: 75,354 Deaths per 100,000 population: 23.1 Motor vehicle traffic deaths Number of deaths: 38,659 Deaths per 100,000 population: 11.9 All firearm deaths Number of deaths: 39,773 Deaths per 100,000 population: 12.2 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: punkfolkrocker Date: 31 Jul 19 - 01:03 PM "MOST of the shooting deaths are suicides, which the Left has been making legal wherever it has been able to. So lets put the money into the euthanasia drug providers' pockets, right?" Well there you go then, a potential new initiative to provide a legitimate social and health care reason for gun ownership. Armed good samaritan angels of mercy assisting suicides for free, or just travel expenses and cost of the bullet... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Jim Carroll Date: 31 Jul 19 - 12:36 PM "Most murders are by illegal guns" There are no statistics to back up that claim - only claims REAL STATISICS According to Amnesty, Easy access to firearms – whether legal or illegal – is one of the main drivers of gun violence. MORE HORRIFIC FACTS Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Backwoodsman Date: 31 Jul 19 - 12:18 PM it works very well indeed in the U.K. and Australia. UK - 31 shooting deaths in 2017 (pop. 64 million) Australia - 238 shooting deaths in 2016 (pop. 25 million) USA - 39,773 shooting deaths in 2017 (pop. 326 million) But none is so blind as he who will not see. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: punkfolkrocker Date: 31 Jul 19 - 12:18 PM I'm that odd thing, a lefty who likes guns... I have to make do with youtube videos on historic military weapons. Of course I would jump at the chance to fire a real Thompson submachine gun at a safe and secure target facility... 65th birthday present idea.. if anyone likes me enough... start saving up for it... What does perturb me is the sheer amount of propaganda from Americans on the internet, so much of it in youtube viewers comments, regarding the UK electing a far right government to repeal our gun laws, allowing USA style free for all gun ownership for UK citizens... We have too many right wing nutters slavering to arm up and form UK militias if that ever happens... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: beardedbruce Date: 31 Jul 19 - 11:59 AM Most murders are by illegal guns ( those obtained illegally, or in the hands of those forbidden by law to have them). I guess if passing a law against murder does not prevent murders, we must need to pass more laws against guns, right??? Just look at how well that works in California and Chicago. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: punkfolkrocker Date: 31 Jul 19 - 11:24 AM A gun amnesty in the USA.. The Govt buying back weapons from private citizens...??? errrrmmmm.. well.. It may have worked to some extent in other more reasonable nations... It seems to me that the least impossible partial solution would be to prevent new guns and ammo being manufactured and sold in America...??? .. and blocking imports of new weapons for civilians... USA Govt would need to spend billions buying up Gun industry and factories, at terms favourable to convince current owners to sell up... Then spend more billions converting the factories and workforce to other products like perhaps consumer goods currently imported from China... Nah.. can't see that happening... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Backwoodsman Date: 31 Jul 19 - 11:16 AM True. Putting a loaded gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger really is not a ‘cry for help’! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Mrrzy Date: 31 Jul 19 - 11:00 AM Suicides, too. More attempts succeed with guns. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 31 Jul 19 - 04:47 AM Two things emerge from stats that surprise me: (1) Accidental gun deaths are less than 500, were popular believe is that this figure is much higher. Is this a myth propagated by NRA to justify their branding? (2) Murders by what should be the only legitimate firearm owning - shotguns (eg for protecting livestock and protecting people from dangerous animals) is less than 300. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Jim Carroll Date: 30 Jul 19 - 12:48 PM THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL - US STYLE Tackle this and you can begin to address the problem Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Backwoodsman Date: 30 Jul 19 - 12:12 PM Not up to me, Mrrzy. I’m pleased to say I don’t live there. But sooner or later, the problem the US has created for itself will have to be faced and dealt with. And I repeat, the answer to the problem of too many guns and too many unsuitable owners is not, and cannot be, ‘More Guns’, no matter what the NRA and small-dick gun-nuts say. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Mrrzy Date: 30 Jul 19 - 10:46 AM You gonna make'm? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Backwoodsman Date: 30 Jul 19 - 04:21 AM Having said that in my previous post, I fully understand that it would be an almost impossible task to take 400 million guns away from a nation of fearful, angry gun-owners. But at some point, they have to get it through their terrified heads that ‘More Guns’ is not, and cannot be, the answer to the problem of too many guns and too many unsuitable owners too ready to use them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Jim Carroll Date: 30 Jul 19 - 03:43 AM From what's happening in the US, it seems to me that the best method of control is that anybody who wishes to own one is automatically disqualified from doing so. Here in the West of Ireland we are blessed with the presence of an American Journalist who HIT THE HEADLINES WAY BACK and, having been black-listed from several newspapers for her behaviour, disappeared from the scene for a while. Some five years later, following an incident where a Traveller was found to be trespassing, the farmer, shot him, wounding him severely, beat him with a fence post and then, went indoors, reloaded, and executed the badly wounded man The case was dismissed as it was deemed that the farmer was acting in self defence. Mary Ellen Synon, in an interview on Kerry Radio, declared that "It was not just the right, but the duty of all rural property owners to carry arms to protect themselves against such intrusions. JIm Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Backwoodsman Date: 30 Jul 19 - 03:38 AM ”Nobody disputes (I don't think) tjat more people are killed annually with knives than guns.” Well I dispute it, and so do the statistics! Guns are overwhelmingly the most common means of committing murder in the USA. In the UK in 2017, there were 31 shooting deaths in a population of c. 64 million. In the US, there were 12,128 in a population of c. 326 million. In the UK, we aren’t allowed to possess handguns or assault-type rifles. In the US, it’s “Ma-a-ah Right, aa-a-awdained ba-a-ah Aa-a-awl-ma-a-ahty Ga-a-ad in the 2nd Amendment!”, or some such horse-shit. It really isn’t difficult to do the maths and understand the correlation. |
