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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Jack Campin Date: 13 Jun 21 - 06:59 AM https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/man-kills-wife-gun-montgomery-b1864691.html More than 4 times as many gunshot deaths are women victims of domestic violence than are the result of mass shootings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Bill D Date: 13 Jun 21 - 10:14 AM Yes... but simple statistics are not nearly so...umm.. interesting... hmmm? The overriding point is that easy access to guns, legal or illegal, means that they are more likely to be the simplest method of committing suicide or robbery, settling arguments, seeking revenge, ...or just expressing anger, frustration and general mental instability. It may be that the % of the population likely to commit gun violence doesn't change much, but as the population increases, the more instances will occur. Copy-cat killings as violence prone people read about others is probably a factor also... I don't see many interviews with those who do it, as they very often die in the process. BTW...that "Beltway Sniper" thing in Maryland/DC a number of years ago... 2 of the incidents happened within 5 minutes drive of my house. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 13 Jun 21 - 01:05 PM again Victim to legal gun ownership. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 13 Jun 21 - 04:04 PM The NRA had laws passed that made it illegal to compile data on gun violence and research into the medical treatment of gunshot wounds by the NIH. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: robomatic Date: 13 Jun 21 - 04:09 PM And Don'l catches up to my post of 07 Jun 21 - 01:40 PM It is somewhat ironic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 14 Jun 21 - 09:59 AM We work for the NIH and this is very old news I posted long ago too, still I'm glad you are informed. Points of view are inherently self centered, like yourself for example. To be fair, me too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Mrrzy Date: 14 Jun 21 - 03:20 PM To be fair, the NRA merely lobbied. Congress passed laws prohibiting gun death research. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: robomatic Date: 15 Jun 21 - 03:11 PM The NRA currently lobbies in the traditional sense, they have supported with campaign finance money those congressfolk that pass the know-nothing legislation mentioned above, they have maintained or financed spokespersons on radio and video media with an extremist political agenda, and they have continued to keep as Executive Vice President a nutjob because he is a highly effective and highly quoted super spokesperson. They have joined forces with the 'fear and loathing' elements of the current culture wars. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 17 Jun 21 - 06:18 PM Lobbying isn't just squauking the loudest . It involves donations aka getting paid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 24 Jun 21 - 05:31 AM https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/559893-former-nra-president-gun-rights-advocate-speak-at-fake-high The 3,044 empty chairs represent the high school graduates that were killed by gun violence. NRA officials did not know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Mrrzy Date: 24 Jun 21 - 09:55 AM I read about this. Ha. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 24 Jun 21 - 11:42 AM I saw the parents who did this for their slain son. Sasha Baron Cohen has humilliated these NRA officials as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 06 Sep 21 - 06:21 AM And so it continues - another gun nut who wanted to show how big he is. again and again |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 08 Sep 21 - 11:13 AM The shootings are practically casual today; owe money BANG, stupid driving BANG, mask debate BANG, line at chicken sandwich take out dispute BANG. I'm glad we don't get shot over the phone; "I'm returning your call, what do you want?. Could you possibly have a wrong number? "GET OFF MY PHONE BITCH! BANG". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 13 Sep 21 - 04:48 AM and again |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 13 Sep 21 - 03:43 PM If you are going to chronical the US shootings you will have 50,000+ posts of wounded and dead in a year. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Bill D Date: 13 Sep 21 - 07:05 PM Like Donuel said... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Oct 21 - 12:41 AM Judge orders Alex Jones to pay damages to Sandy Hook families It was a long time coming, but Alex Jones has to cough up some cash. Far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones is responsible for all damages in two lawsuits instigated after he falsely called the Sandy Hook shooting a "giant hoax," a Texas judge ruled this week. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 04 Oct 21 - 02:59 PM Only those that come up on my facebook news feeds. I don't go out of my way looking for them, just share the ones that make the news here - just to stop people getting blase and conflating them with parking offences. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 04 Oct 21 - 05:47 PM Blase'? The kids around here have a game of shooting out windows and glass doors. Even my gas station has been hit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 04 Oct 21 - 07:40 PM The Trump Supream Court by the end of the year, will grant more rights to gun owners/makers than uterus owners. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 05 Oct 21 - 06:50 AM Surely gun owners need people to breed so that there will be an ongoing supply of schoolkids that they can massacre. And also if children are not born into poverty or needing lifelong intensive care who else are they going to point the finger at, demonise and blame for having to pay taxes and all the evils in the world? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 05 Oct 21 - 07:47 AM Those are some cynicly dark anti abortion reasons but then again so was the 3rd REICH'S POLICIES ON REPRODUCTION. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 05 Oct 21 - 09:37 AM You mean the duty to breed 'good aryan stock' and anyone who was born who didn't come up to spec an the risk of being eradicated? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Charmion Date: 05 Oct 21 - 11:17 AM Um, yeah, that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 05 Oct 21 - 03:25 PM To maximize aryan stock, Liebensborn orphanages were made for the offspring from single girls and married SS soldiers who passed the purity tests and attended screwing camp. Sterilization was more efficient than abortion for the nondesirables. Banning legal abortion in the US will work against Republicans in the end. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 07 Oct 21 - 06:13 PM Our local news has almost a dozen shooting stories a week. National news limits shooting stories to schools for the most part. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 09 Oct 21 - 04:50 PM A dozen shootings per week - in a local area? Hardly something you want to boast, is it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 11 Oct 21 - 05:54 PM It may be an editorial matter but the local news reports more shootings than car crashes everyday. They announce it like; A (double, triple or quadruple) shooting has occurred at (such&such), only (some number) has died and the others have non life threatening injuries. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 02 Dec 21 - 04:20 AM https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=271831755048406&set=a.201905688707680 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Steve Shaw Date: 02 Dec 21 - 04:51 AM For those of us who prefer to avoid Facebook like the plague (thus avoiding its plethora of kneejerk reactions), there's a concise report in the Guardian that covers it under the headline "Michigan high school shooting suspect, 15, appears at court hearing." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 02 Dec 21 - 08:21 AM Not reacting, just reporting here. Nothing really I can add that I haven't already said over and over again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Mrrzy Date: 02 Dec 21 - 10:58 AM I am not sure I agree with this kid being charged with terrorism, but I fully back any efforts to charge the *parents* with something. They had ample warning. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 02 Dec 21 - 04:35 PM It depends on State Law. In California the parents could face charges. In Michigan there is no such law, responsible parents or legislature. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Charmion's brother Andrew Date: 02 Dec 21 - 06:12 PM There may be no basis for criminal action, but possibly a tort for negligence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Thompson Date: 03 Dec 21 - 08:58 AM I can't understand the concept of trying a child as an adult. If someone's a child, s/he should only be brought to court as a child. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 03 Dec 21 - 06:38 PM Michigan has no law for a mandatory lock box for guns but the prosecutor has brought charges of unintentional manslaughter against the parents who have since diaappeared. The son is charged with first degree murder. The manslaughter charges require proving 3 things of which trying to prove intent is always an uphill challenge. Charging kids as adults has been around for decades as part of a get tough on crime program. The FBI is mad at the prosecuter for not charging parents while in custody and the prosecutor is mad at the school and the families are sad beyond belief. The gun manufacturers and customers feel happy as a ... fill in the blank. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 04 Dec 21 - 11:34 AM This country has been under fire from the NRA sponsored laws that promote children guns to the point blank legal shooting of people to stand your ground. We need to pull the trigger on reasonable gun laws to give cover to schools and society at large. Our children are in the cross hairs of this fire fight and are caught in the crossfire. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Dec 21 - 12:11 PM The felony murder option has been abused mightily over the years but it does allow participants in an act to be held accountable for an event even if they didn't pull the trigger. It looks like some aspect of it will apply here for the parents who viewed the lead-up to the whole episode in reckless disregard. They were arraigned this morning and as a MSNBC conversation pointed out yesterday, they will probably not be able to get bail bonds since they've already proven they're a flight risk. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Ebbie Date: 05 Dec 21 - 05:20 AM I see that way back in 2012 there was talk of holding parents accountable when their child acquires a gun and uses it against children. Obviously, we have learned nothing. There have been HUNDREDS of such events in the USA in 2021 - and the year isn't over yet. I also have beef with terminology. When someone shoots up a school resulting in the deaths of multiple children, we call it a tragedy. OF COURSE, the results are tragic, but it was preventable. The act was STUPID, SICK, done by a CREEP. We need to get it across to our children that infamy is not the same as fame, that shooting unarmed people does not make you a 'gunman'. For the moment, disregard the almost inevitable fact that the creep had 'reasons'- take care of that later. In the meantime, he is a CREEP. I |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Ebbie Date: 05 Dec 21 - 05:22 AM THAT should be the headline. (I wasn't finished.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 05 Dec 21 - 06:48 AM I think Creep is a bit too polite. People can be creeps as far as their behaviour is concerned, but that does not necessarily make them a murderer as well. I would tend to go for terminology such as murdering s*** which cannot be glorified in any way whatsoever. If people who use guns get used to the idea that they are seen by society as the bottom layer of pond life, then maybe that would make a difference. Also, media needs to stop making excuses for white murderers, that somehow they are just as much a victim of something or other, whereas a black murderer would only be thought of as a murderer, and a Muslims, somehow being classed as terrorist by virtue of nothing except for their race or religion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 05 Dec 21 - 07:03 AM The parents are but one significant color in the rainbow of reasons for tragic shootings. The first reason is $. Its all about the Benjamines. Its the manufacturer profits #1 and secondly the fun of effecting something at a distance as if a person has the psychic power of precision or revenge. Yeah - guns are fun, almost magical, for those who enjoy them. Then there is the psychological training for soldiers regarding the gun...don't get me started... The 2nd ammendment is just a farcical legal excuse for gun makers. The 2nd ammendment is also good for those who depend entirely on guns to feed their family but they are few. It was the NRA $ that gave immunity to the gun makers themselves and who still bear no legal respondsibility like car makers to this day. Involuntary murder is the legal term in the Michigan charges against the parents. I prefer 'unintentional' murder since you may not intend to commit murder yourself but you help in the commission of murder. There is nothing involuntary about it. (they volunteered) The child called his new gun 'my beauty'. "The beauty of a gun in a small man's hands is what what makes them feel big." quote donuel |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 05 Dec 21 - 07:45 AM edit Car makers HAVE respondsibilities while gun makers were legislated to be immune. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Bill D Date: 05 Dec 21 - 08:57 AM The kid SAID he had problems, and gave plenty of warnings. He has a mental disease defense. The parents have no such excuse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Steve Shaw Date: 05 Dec 21 - 09:26 AM Following what Ebbie said, every time I open this thread the word "tragedy" grates with me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Steve Shaw Date: 05 Dec 21 - 09:26 AM Oops, in the plural of course. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 05 Dec 21 - 09:59 AM I see a 'trigedy' with more to come. remember... These are just the good ol days, seeing that everything is going to grow gradually worse. :^) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Steve Shaw Date: 05 Dec 21 - 01:57 PM I can't tell you how wrong I think you are, Mrrzy. Tell me (only if you like), do you have a gun or guns? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Rain Dog Date: 06 Dec 21 - 05:11 AM I know that guns are allowed in the USA and that quite a few folks want that to continue, but... "A US congressman has faced a barrage of criticism after he posted a Christmas photograph of his family posing with military-style rifles, just days after a deadly school shooting. Kentucky's Republican representative, Thomas Massie, tweeted the photo with the caption: "Merry Christmas! ps. Santa, please bring ammo". The post has been condemned by a host of families affected by gun violence, plus figures on both sides of politics." BBC |
