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BS: Shooting tragedies and guns

Bill D 05 Aug 19 - 04:55 PM
Lighter 05 Aug 19 - 03:55 PM
Bill D 05 Aug 19 - 02:51 PM
Mossback 05 Aug 19 - 01:57 PM
SPB-Cooperator 05 Aug 19 - 01:30 PM
Bill D 05 Aug 19 - 01:17 PM
SPB-Cooperator 05 Aug 19 - 12:56 PM
keberoxu 05 Aug 19 - 12:54 PM
Bill D 04 Aug 19 - 10:18 PM
Steve Shaw 04 Aug 19 - 07:48 PM
Bill D 04 Aug 19 - 07:23 PM
Mrrzy 04 Aug 19 - 03:46 PM
punkfolkrocker 04 Aug 19 - 01:00 PM
gillymor 04 Aug 19 - 12:50 PM
michaelr 04 Aug 19 - 12:31 PM
Mossback 04 Aug 19 - 09:09 AM
gillymor 04 Aug 19 - 09:04 AM
SPB-Cooperator 04 Aug 19 - 08:33 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Aug 19 - 08:07 AM
SPB-Cooperator 04 Aug 19 - 05:52 AM
Mrrzy 02 Aug 19 - 11:06 AM
Mossback 01 Aug 19 - 09:10 PM
punkfolkrocker 01 Aug 19 - 08:58 PM
beardedbruce 01 Aug 19 - 07:52 PM
Mossback 01 Aug 19 - 06:32 PM
Steve Shaw 01 Aug 19 - 06:03 PM
Jim Carroll 01 Aug 19 - 02:47 PM
punkfolkrocker 01 Aug 19 - 01:13 PM
punkfolkrocker 01 Aug 19 - 01:11 PM
beardedbruce 01 Aug 19 - 12:54 PM
Backwoodsman 01 Aug 19 - 12:14 PM
John P 01 Aug 19 - 11:27 AM
Backwoodsman 01 Aug 19 - 09:21 AM
Mossback 01 Aug 19 - 07:14 AM
Backwoodsman 01 Aug 19 - 02:06 AM
Steve Shaw 31 Jul 19 - 07:49 PM
Mrrzy 31 Jul 19 - 03:14 PM
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punkfolkrocker 31 Jul 19 - 01:42 PM
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punkfolkrocker 31 Jul 19 - 01:26 PM
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beardedbruce 31 Jul 19 - 01:10 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Aug 19 - 04:55 PM

Yes... it does work like that... but part of my point was that the blatant lies ARE partially a result of so many being too lazy or careless to bother looking for reason and truth and just reading or watching the media outlets that they already agree with....
   And lies can be made to sound like such simple answers! Untangling and exposing lies takes much longer than telling the lies. Trump spews out so many so fast that there's no breathing space between them.
Doesn't "they're coming to take your guns!" and "we're being invaded by dangerous migrants!" make it a lot easier to make decisions if you're already confused?


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Lighter
Date: 05 Aug 19 - 03:55 PM

Part of the problem, Bill, is that what we ID as blatant lies are taken as obvious truths by millions.

Last week, for example, the president told a cheering crowd very forcefully that Americans do not pay for his tariffs on Chinese imports:

" I just announced another 10% tariff on $300 billion worth of Chinese products that come into our country. And that’s on top of the 25% that we take off $250 billion coming in from China, and don’t let them tell you, the fact is China devalues their currency. They pour money into their system, they pour it in, and because they do that, you’re not paying for those tariffs. China’s paying for those tariffs."

Basically doubletalk. The purchaser, not the seller, pays tariffs. Freshman econ.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Aug 19 - 02:51 PM

It's an ongoing concern that so few voted, but with so little attention to the candidates platforms and ignorance about the issues, having a 90% voting populace might not be an improvement. Polls are becoming more suspect as phone #s go to mobile phones and compete with texts, videos and games. I wonder how they find a good sample of actual voters to poll.
The problems of maintaining a fair, honest government are hugely more complex since people's attention span has been divided between so many distractions and problematic media sources. (there are at any one time in the evening, 5-6 different right-wing cable TV channels available in my area..(the greater Wash.DC area) Fox news is famous, but one is consistently to the right of Fox! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_America_News_Network (and it is NOT a 'pay' channel in my list) They are a study in spin, distortion, lies, rhetorical blather and twisted logic. I look at it now & then to see where Trump is getting some of his latest ideas... He is said to be unhappy with Fox because they have a couple of hosts who actually try to see the truth and don't toe the party line.

You see? It really takes time and more effort than many are willing to take to sort the truths from the half-truths from the blatant lies!


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Mossback
Date: 05 Aug 19 - 01:57 PM

Things like this tear nations apart,

Yup, things like:

-racism
-xenophobia
-ignorance
-willful denial of reality
-fascism
-white supremacy
-social Darwinism
-Reaganomics

All of which are actively promoted by the the Republishit Party in the U.S.

Wake up, assholes - you want to know what's coming before it's Hitler/Mussolini redux.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 05 Aug 19 - 01:30 PM

Bit of a concern that only about 40% voted in the presidential elections. How does the other 60% break down between too young, non US nationals, voter suppression and voter apathy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Aug 19 - 01:17 PM

Each system has potential weak points. The one thing I envy about the UK system is having to possibility for a "vote of confidence" in the middle of a term.
   The greatest flaw in the US system in the electoral college. The Republicans are totally aware that changing demographics mean they MUST retain the electoral college in order to keep electing Reagans and Bushes and Trumps.... it is possible that they will also need ongoing tampering with elections.

   Over 40 million young people have turned 18 since 2016, and we shall see how many are taken in by the current batch of lies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 05 Aug 19 - 12:56 PM

Johnson was elected Prime Minister by approx 0.14 - less than on fifth of 1 percent of the UK population whereas Trump was elected by approx 20% of the American population   Just sidetracking on the sidetrack of the issue.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: keberoxu
Date: 05 Aug 19 - 12:54 PM

It's going to get worse before it gets better.

I know, that's not what anybody wants to hear.
But it is more than "one generation will die off in time."
Things like this tear nations apart,
like a family feud on a giant scale.

This continent may well end up
having more than one nation where there used
to be one nation with continental forty-eight states.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Aug 19 - 10:18 PM

Ummm... right. No one would allow anyone as flawed as Trump to gain power..... unless they had a Boris Johnson to offer. ;>)

The US still has many good things and ideals, despite the odd crap of letting a stupid anti-immigrant scare and probably Russian meddling allow the worse president we ever had follow one of the best.

It's not a good idea to make such broad, sweeping condemnations of a country which has some really sane, decent people working very hard to set things right again. My senators and my local congressman are top notch. If Mitch McConnell were kicked out, you'd see a lot more progress.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Aug 19 - 07:48 PM

You live in a rotten country that can ignorantly elect a dangerous idiot for president, that is so undemocratic that a gun lobby, a pro-Israel lobby and a bunch of multinationals, none of whom ever managed to attract a single vote from your electorate, rule the roost and ensure that any politician who opposes them is toast. And your political discourse is infantile. Bastion of democracy? Land of the free? In your dreams, yanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Aug 19 - 07:23 PM

Sadly, all the news media about one shooting seems to push the idea in others who are racist, unhappy or just plain crazy. I'll bet there are guys right now who just wonder what it would 'feel' like to shoot up a crowd...

There's no shortage of idiots whose minds are messed up... and with millions of guns easily available, what could we expect to happen? These days just shooting ONE barely makes the local news.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Aug 19 - 03:46 PM

And 2 more. Since last night.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Aug 19 - 01:00 PM

Same all over the world throughout history...

The old fanatics perpetuate bitter sectarian division and conflict
by indoctrinating the young next generation with their vengeful hate...

It will never stop...

.. there's too much wealth to be made from it...


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Aug 19 - 12:50 PM

michael, of course I wasn't accusing the old bastards of being the triggermen, in their maniacal defense of the anachronistic 2nd amendment they are the enablers.

gillymor (old bastard, gun owner and former gun user)


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: michaelr
Date: 04 Aug 19 - 12:31 PM

gillymor - don't hold your breath waiting for those bastards to die off. The El Paso shooter is 21, the Dayton shooter 24, the Gilroy shooter was 19.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Mossback
Date: 04 Aug 19 - 09:09 AM

How many more, Bruce? How many more?


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Aug 19 - 09:04 AM

Time will take care of the BBs of the world. It feels like humanity is doing a backstep in this particular epoch while extreme right wingers with notions of American primacy on the world stage and white supremacy at home,a reversion to the values of the 1950's, are making one last desperate stand to protect their selfish, anti-human world view. As they die off we may start to see a saner, more humane world if we survive this onslaught. I may never see it but it's something to hope for and to fight for in whatever way you can.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 04 Aug 19 - 08:33 AM

When USA has a president that has the guts to call out the gun lobby and take personal responsibility for normalising race hate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Aug 19 - 08:07 AM

The killing in El Paso has been linked to an on-line racist manifesto
Many of the injuries inflicted on the wounded are described as 'life-thretening'
Another incident in Dayton, Ohio has claimed another nine lives
When will the BBs of this world ever learn !!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 04 Aug 19 - 05:52 AM

Now add El Paso to the toll (20 killed, 26 injured) - Dayton didn't make the news here. Well I am not going to bother to repeat myself - Just reread my post of 29th July. I know that was a very long time ago as far as gun violence is concerned.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Aug 19 - 11:06 AM

John Wayne and the Western "ideals" do have a lot to answer for. People thought Bush II was a cowboy [admired] but he was really a redneck.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Mossback
Date: 01 Aug 19 - 09:10 PM

If Brucie wants to whine about me, why's he citing someone else's comments?

Why he's whining at all is another question --

OH WAIT!!I KNOW!

Its all about that poor, downtrodden, persecuted class of Trumpist racists, white supremacists, anti-government, gun-toting clowns & other assorted assholes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Aug 19 - 08:58 PM

Bearded - stop being such a tit... [British ornithology joke..]

So if a person says I could/want to/will/ kill you
in exasperation or jest,
you are going to automatically take it so literally
you go out and buy an extra truck load of more guns and ammo,
then lie in wait for them...!!!???

Bearded tit...


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Aug 19 - 07:52 PM

Glad you are all ok with Mossback stating that all those who voted for Trump should be exterminated. You deserve each other.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Mossback
Date: 01 Aug 19 - 06:32 PM

Can anyone tell me why this kind of stupidity is allowed to remain on this forum?

Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer, Steve.

Bruceis Uber Alles. HEIL TRUMP!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Aug 19 - 06:03 PM

"As long as we have members of the Left stating they want to kill off those of us that disagree with them, there will be a large portion of the population who feel the need for some form of self-defense."

Can anyone tell me why this kind of stupidity is allowed to remain on this forum?

Joe? He's your mate after all...?


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Aug 19 - 02:47 PM

Historically and politically violence in America has come from the right - from the Klan hanging blacks to 114 yeas of bombing peasants with burning petrol
Now that Trump has won the backing of The Klan (historically the most violent paramilitary organization in America)that can only become an ongoing issue
A WORLDWIDE PHENOMENON
US RIGHT WING VIOLENCE
TRUMP INCITED VIOLENCE
AMERICA'S PROUD HISTORY OF VIOLENT ANTISEMITISM

Left wing my arse
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Aug 19 - 01:13 PM

..of..


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Aug 19 - 01:11 PM

Beardy - yeah... I'm a lefty.. anyone know where I can get a cheap deal on a stockpile of guns and ammo...

Obviously I need to defend myself against paranoid righwing nutjobs
who are proactively arming themselves to the teeth,
so they can defend themselves against me...

I might need to get my counter-strike in first before they do...?????

The madness or arms races and escalation in a nutshell...



It's so much safer to live in the UK...


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Aug 19 - 12:54 PM

As long as we have members of the Left stating they want to kill off those of us that disagree with them, there will be a large portion of the population who feel the need for some form of self-defense.


"From: Mossback - PM
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 09:14 PM

Getting rid of Trumpshit won't accomplish a thing unless we can get rid of the 62,984,828 fuckwits who originally voted for him and more importantly the utter fuckwits that account for his current 40% - 45% approval rating.

Subject: RE: BS: now California has got nutria
From: Greg F. - PM
Date: 19 Feb 18 - 06:51 PM

Uh Hunh. Killer Rodents From Hades.

Be better if Califoria expended its resources documenting and eradicating Republicans - that would benefit mankind a great deal more.

All in all its just another rat in the wall...... HEY HUMANS!! LEAVE THEM RATS ALONE!! "


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Aug 19 - 12:14 PM

John P - well you’ve done a great job of grabbing the stick by the wrong end. Did you actually read what I said? From your thin-skinned, defensive piece above, it doesn’t appear you did.

I’m on your side. My rant was against people like Bearded Bruce, and the huge number of other ‘from my dead hands’ gun-lunatics, headed up by the Agenda-Driven NRA, who insist that gun-controls will mean more shootings, and whose answer to the gun-violence in the US is ‘More Guns’ - the very same bigoted, violent sizeable minority you bemoan in your own rant.

Nowhere have I said that ‘everyone in the US is responsible’ - if you believe that’s what I said, please point me to where I said it.

And my point is that the UK and Australia have come up with a ‘concrete answer that is within the realms of possibility’, put it into effect, and the result is encapsulated in the numbers I quoted. We had 31 shooting-deaths (including suicides and accidents) in 2017, you had 39,000, IIRC. Those numbers speak volumes, yet Bruce still insists that the precise opposite would be the result if the kind of controls we have here were introduced in the US.

No-one is saying it’s easy but, unless you are happy to accept almost 40,000 shooting-deaths a year, 12,000 of which are murders, something must be done. Hand-wringing and saying “It’s difficult” is about as much use as those ‘thoughts and prayers’ everybody offers when another group of innocent kids is murdered in their classrooms.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: John P
Date: 01 Aug 19 - 11:27 AM

Backwoodsman, most of the people in the United States are victims of this gun insanity. Please believe that we would fix it if we could. Are you mistaking our government for one which pays attention to the safety of it's citizens?

What, exactly, are you proposing we do about it? If you can't come up with a concrete answer that is within the realms of possibility, please stop writing as if everyone in the US is responsible and can take effective action. Our country has been taken over by a bigoted, violent minority who have manipulated and perverted the forms of our government in order to ensure their rise to power, and to keep themselves there. And they have all the guns, including the army. Perhaps you could be more selective in your rants against people in the US.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Aug 19 - 09:21 AM

Aaahh! Thanks Bill, I wondered if it was something like that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Mossback
Date: 01 Aug 19 - 07:14 AM

Steve's lost you, BWM, because the posts of mine he's referring to have mysteriously disappeared - as this one likely will as well.

Of, course, Bruce's nonsensical posts remain - Joe must be on watch.

Cheers,

Bill


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Aug 19 - 02:06 AM

”Or maybe Duke Wayne. Well said, Bill.”

Sorry, you’ve lost me there Steve!


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jul 19 - 07:49 PM

Or maybe Duke Wayne. Well said, Bill.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Mrrzy
Date: 31 Jul 19 - 03:14 PM

Why would we ever have to face our gun issue? We haven't yet, no matter who is massacred by whom. Sandy Hook didn't change anything.

And the Gilroy and Las Vegas and so on shooters had all gotten their guns legally.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Jul 19 - 02:09 PM

I repeat.....

But sooner or later, the problem the US has created for itself will have to be faced and dealt with. And I repeat, the answer to the problem of too many guns and too many unsuitable owners is not, and cannot be, ‘More Guns’, no matter what the NRA and small-dick gun-nuts say.

That’s all. I’m gone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 Jul 19 - 01:42 PM

stupity.. yes I know.. Chrome spell check has stopped working again...


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 Jul 19 - 01:40 PM

We could guess, cynical as it may be, that USA Govt relies on the self culling and murderous stupity of it's citizens,
to contain population growth...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Jul 19 - 01:31 PM

OK, let’s look at the numbers again...

”Mortality
All homicides
Number of deaths: 19,510
Deaths per 100,000 population: 6.0
Firearm homicides
Number of deaths: 14,542

Deaths per 100,000 population: 4.5


Now compare....

UK - total shooting deaths: 31 (deaths per 100,000 population: 0.048)
Australia - total shooting deaths: 238 (deaths per 100,000 population: 0.95)

What is the big difference between U.K./Australia vs. US? As you apparently don’t have the intellect to understand, or are so indoctrinated by NRA and bullet-head horse-shit, let me tell you -

The U.K. and Australia have strong, rigidly enforced gun-laws, and severe penalties for carrying a firearm when in the commission of another crime. To be granted a licence to possess a firearm in the U.K., a person has to go through rigorous police-checks which are periodically re-checked, and has to prove need for that firearm. A very limited number of people can demonstrate that need because there are severe restrictions on what constitutes ‘need’. ‘Self-defence’ is not a legitimate ‘need’.

QED.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 Jul 19 - 01:26 PM

It is possible the USSR could win more Darwin Awards for stupid deaths per annum than the USA..
But I suspect it is a very close run competition...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 Jul 19 - 01:19 PM

so... guns, drugs, cars, bungee, parkour and freerunning, etc...

How many total USA deaths are considered avoidable mortality due to some variety of gross human stupidity...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Jul 19 - 01:19 PM

Whenever someone indulges in whataboutism if always leaves me with the impression that they are lost for an answer
We'll be talking about driving cars next
The statistics speak for themselves - America has a rapidly escalating gun problem which it needs to sort out - not make excuses for

SOME COMPARATIVE STATISTICS
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: beardedbruce
Date: 31 Jul 19 - 01:10 PM

And for those who wish to legalize drugs...

Mortality: Drug overdose/drug poisoning deaths
Deaths per 100,000 population: 21.7 (2017)
Drug overdose deaths involving any opioid per 100,000 population: 14.9 (2017)
Drug overdose deaths involving heroin per 100,000 population: 4.9 (2017)


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: beardedbruce
Date: 31 Jul 19 - 01:06 PM

From CDC


Mortality
All homicides
Number of deaths: 19,510
Deaths per 100,000 population: 6.0
Firearm homicides
Number of deaths: 14,542
Deaths per 100,000 population: 4.5

Mortality
All suicides
Number of deaths: 47,173
Deaths per 100,000 population: 14.5
Cause of death rank: 10
Firearm suicides
Number of deaths: 23,854
Deaths per 100,000 population: 7.3
Suffocation suicides
Number of deaths: 13,075
Deaths per 100,000 population: 4.0
Poisoning suicides
Number of deaths: 6,554
Deaths per 100,000 population: 2.0


Mortality
All injury deaths
Number of deaths: 243,039
Deaths per 100,000 population: 74.6
All poisoning deaths
Number of deaths: 75,354
Deaths per 100,000 population: 23.1
Motor vehicle traffic deaths
Number of deaths: 38,659
Deaths per 100,000 population: 11.9
All firearm deaths
Number of deaths: 39,773
Deaths per 100,000 population: 12.2


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 Jul 19 - 01:03 PM

"MOST of the shooting deaths are suicides, which the Left has been making legal wherever it has been able to.
So lets put the money into the euthanasia drug providers' pockets, right?
"


Well there you go then, a potential new initiative
to provide a legitimate social and health care reason for gun ownership.


Armed good samaritan angels of mercy assisting suicides for free,
or just travel expenses and cost of the bullet...


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Jul 19 - 12:36 PM

"Most murders are by illegal guns"
There are no statistics to back up that claim - only claims

REAL STATISICS
According to Amnesty, Easy access to firearms – whether legal or illegal – is one of the main drivers of gun violence.

MORE HORRIFIC FACTS
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Jul 19 - 12:18 PM

it works very well indeed in the U.K. and Australia.

UK - 31 shooting deaths in 2017 (pop. 64 million)
Australia - 238 shooting deaths in 2016 (pop. 25 million)
USA - 39,773 shooting deaths in 2017 (pop. 326 million)

But none is so blind as he who will not see.


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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 Jul 19 - 12:18 PM

I'm that odd thing, a lefty who likes guns...
I have to make do with youtube videos on historic military weapons.
Of course I would jump at the chance to fire a real Thompson submachine gun at a safe and secure target facility...

65th birthday present idea.. if anyone likes me enough... start saving up for it...

What does perturb me is the sheer amount of propaganda from Americans on the internet,
so much of it in youtube viewers comments,
regarding the UK electing a far right government to repeal our gun laws,
allowing USA style free for all gun ownership for UK citizens...

We have too many right wing nutters slavering to arm up and form UK militias if that ever happens...


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