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musicians, employment law & lap dancing

Jack Campin 23 Dec 12 - 08:35 PM
Sandy Mc Lean 24 Dec 12 - 10:29 AM
GUEST,Eliza 24 Dec 12 - 04:56 PM
Richard Bridge 24 Dec 12 - 05:33 PM
JohnInKansas 24 Dec 12 - 07:01 PM
JohnInKansas 24 Dec 12 - 07:08 PM
GUEST,Eliza 25 Dec 12 - 03:31 PM
Richard Bridge 25 Dec 12 - 05:00 PM
GUEST,CS 25 Dec 12 - 06:23 PM
GUEST,Eliza 26 Dec 12 - 07:37 AM
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Subject: musicians, employment law & lap dancing
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 Dec 12 - 08:35 PM

Some interesting legal issues here:

lap dancer's unfair dismissal case

Her lawyer is comparing her situation to that of a church organist, but other musicians have same sort of employment situation.

I must put a condition in my will guaranteeing fair treatment for any lap dancer hired to perform at my funeral.


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Subject: RE: musicians, employment law & lap dancing
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 24 Dec 12 - 10:29 AM

Would not that premise applied in reverse mean that a church could require its organist to perform topless? That may get more bums into those pews! Then again I have seen some church organists who would hold less inspiration.................. :-}


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Subject: RE: musicians, employment law & lap dancing
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 24 Dec 12 - 04:56 PM

Our church organist plays in his socks, but that's as far as he goes.
(Apparently, it's easier to play the foot pedals in socks, not shoes)
I just can't understand men paying hundreds of pounds to watch some lassie cavort around in the altogether, or a G-string 'Strict dress code' haha!).


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Subject: RE: musicians, employment law & lap dancing
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Dec 12 - 05:33 PM

Sweetie, apart from those within the cardre of "Cocaine is god's way of telling you you have too much money", what do you think the hundreds of pounds really get passed over for?

And why should that entitle a rich ponce to screw his dancers over?


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Subject: RE: musicians, employment law & lap dancing
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 24 Dec 12 - 07:01 PM

The case does show similarities to somewhat similar practices in the US. Many workers operate as "self-employed," often as "contract employees" and are exempted from such things as insurance, vacations, retirement, Social Security contributions, and medical insurance that would have to be provided for "regular employees." They are also subject to being fired "at will" with no separation benefits, and quite often are inelligible for unemployment benefits.

Some employers have created "work at home" setups to facilitate use of these "independent contractors" with systems that "they say" are for the convenience of the workers but that often are just to avoid expenses of actually hiring them.

The specific arguments used in the case cited have not, so far as I've heard, been used here, but the result in a lawsuit using those same arguments likely would have had a very similar result here in many places in the US.

A situation that has received some publicity and may be familiar to those elsewhere is that of "in home" workers like nannies and housekeepers. If they are not permitted to work more than "part time" (along with a few other conditions) the employer is exempt from providing many benefits, and avoids significant expenses of being an employer. The reduction in reporting requirements also has been claimed as "helpful in concealing" use of illegals(?) and "under the table" payment to evade income tax withholding. Properly done, such arrangements can be perfectly acceptable, but some of these kinds of arrangements often do suggest "something shady" in a situation.

John


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Subject: RE: musicians, employment law & lap dancing
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 24 Dec 12 - 07:08 PM

A similar(?) case in the US, specifically from a state court in Iowa, might also merit discussion here:

Hey, hot stuff ? you're fired

John


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Subject: RE: musicians, employment law & lap dancing
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 03:31 PM

Richard, Sweetie, I still can't imagine why men should pay hundreds of pounds to have sex. And I didn't say the women should be exploited. (If that's what's meant by 'rich ponces screwing their dancers')


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Subject: RE: musicians, employment law & lap dancing
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 05:00 PM

You implied that the women who did that were less worthy. You "Hand on the ha'penny" brigade all do that.   And you REALLY don't understand why men would pay for sex? *shrugs and wanders off with a dazed expression*


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Subject: RE: musicians, employment law & lap dancing
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 06:23 PM

As an aside, isn't it still the case that while prostitution is legal in the UK, brothels are not?

I've never understood why sex workers are expected to risk their safety by working from home (or illegally street walking) rather than clean organised premises which provide testing and licensing as well as bouncers to take care of the dodgy punters.


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Subject: RE: musicians, employment law & lap dancing
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 26 Dec 12 - 07:37 AM

No Richard, I don't. There are as many women as men here in the west. If a man forms a relationship with a woman, they can have sex and no money need change hands. All the men I know or have known have never ever paid a prostitute for sex. Women 'who do that' are NOT less worthy, but very vulnerable, probably a heroin addict (here in UK the vast majority of prostitutes are) and at enormous risk of violence and grave health problems. As people here are very relaxed about having sex (this isn't after all Victorian Britain) men should be able to find a partner without using a needy woman in that way. I feel very strongly about this and sincerely pity my sisters selling themselves and performing degrading dances for men to ogle. It isn't right and it isn't defensible. Sweetie.


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