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BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer

Songwronger 27 Dec 12 - 09:15 PM
GUEST,999 27 Dec 12 - 09:19 PM
Bobert 27 Dec 12 - 09:19 PM
Songwronger 27 Dec 12 - 09:36 PM
Bobert 27 Dec 12 - 09:46 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Dec 12 - 10:18 PM
Bobert 27 Dec 12 - 10:32 PM
artbrooks 27 Dec 12 - 11:31 PM
Little Hawk 27 Dec 12 - 11:40 PM
Songwronger 28 Dec 12 - 12:00 AM
michaelr 28 Dec 12 - 12:07 AM
Don Firth 28 Dec 12 - 01:07 AM
Henry Krinkle 28 Dec 12 - 02:49 AM
akenaton 28 Dec 12 - 06:14 AM
McGrath of Harlow 28 Dec 12 - 06:50 AM
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Charmion 28 Dec 12 - 07:26 AM
GUEST,Rog Peek 28 Dec 12 - 07:41 AM
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Henry Krinkle 28 Dec 12 - 08:01 AM
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Subject: BS: Boxer & LaPierre agree - guns in schools
From: Songwronger
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 09:15 PM

I find it odd how the far left-wing Boxer and the far right-wing Wayne LaPierre agree that guns need to be forced on schools:

Democratic Senator Barbara Boxer of California, a bottomless fountain of foolishness, has proposed a measure that would permit governors to deploy National Guard troops to provide "security" at government-run schools.

"Is it not part of the national defense to make sure that your children are safe?" Boxer asked during a Capitol Hill press conference in the misguided belief that this content-free trope somehow constituted compelling wisdom.

She blithely stated that her proposal wouldn't be a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act (which was supposed to prevent the domestic use of the military for the purpose of law enforcement) because it would allow governors to re-purpose troops who are already being used for drug interdiction operations. That is to say, the militarization of schools wouldn't constitute a new Posse Comitatus violation, but rather expand on an existing one.

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2012/12/scratch-liberal-find-fascist-case-of.html

The National Rifle Association doubled down Sunday on its controversial push for armed guards to be stationed in every US school, despite anger among gun control advocates over the group's "tone deaf" proposals.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/23/nra-wayne-lapierre-schools-gun-control

So why do this left-wing and right-wing extremist agree on the need to surround our kids with armed people?


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: GUEST,999
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 09:19 PM

"So why do this left-wing and right-wing extremist agree on the need to surround our kids with armed people?"

Calling a Democrat 'left-wing' will get you pulled over for DUI.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 09:19 PM

If Boxer is far left wing then I'm so far left that I must live in another solar system...

Wronger get it wrong again...

Yawn...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Songwronger
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 09:36 PM

She's tied for 5th as the most liberal U.S. senator, according to the Sacramento Bee.

http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2012/02/californias-barbara-boxer-tied-for-5th-most-liberal-us-senator.html

Scratch a Liberal and also find a child like Bobert, who thinks that saying so makes it so. Too much pot smoked, too much liquor drunk. He supports Eric Holder's arming of the Mexican drug cartels so they can run his supply of pot into the country. Supports mass slaughter of Mexican children so he can get high, then in his loadedness he pretends to giveashit about the Sandy Hook children. Typical neoliberal. Doesn't know why he's doing Obama's two-step goosestep, but the dance at the moment is calling for fake rage over guns. Next it'll be fake rage over Republicans blocking "necessary cuts" in Social Security. Or something similar. As long as he's in motion dancing for Obama he's happy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 09:46 PM

Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich are the ***only*** liberals in Congress...

PERIOD!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 10:18 PM

Jeez, Bobert...when I thought Kucinich should run for President....you STILL called me a Tea Party guy!..actually a Kucinich/Paul or Paul/Kucinich ticket would have gotten my vote!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 10:32 PM

Well, GfinS... You talked the talk but you didn't have no walk the walk in ya'... It's one thing to say yer for this guy or that guy but when you go about discussin' policies and you ain't on the same page with the folks you ***say*** yer for then there's this, ahhhh, I think they call it a...

...disconnect...

Or in the words of Robert Johnson, "a bad disconnection"...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: artbrooks
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 11:31 PM

Just in case anyone else besides the OP failed to graduate from 8th grade civics, the Posse Commitatus Act dos not apply to the authority of a state governor over the National Guard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 11:40 PM

Kucinich and Paul are likewise about the only 2 American politicians who have much impressed me with their ideals and their political positions on various vital matters such as foreign policy and monetary policy, but I've long ago given up trying to explain why on this forum. It doesn't do any good to. In fact, I probably shouldn't even have posted this! Why draw more useless negative attention to myself from the hyperbolic little personal-attack crowd of politically-obsessed, partyline-fixated madmen here? It's like climbing up on top of the trench line in WWI and holding up a sign saying: "Don't shoot! We are all brothers here. We should stop killing each other NOW and go home."

Good luck, right? You get shot for your troubles. Perhaps even executed as a "traitor" to the righteous cause...


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Songwronger
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 12:00 AM

Yeah, that's my point here--the two parties are one. Both are capitalizing on the latest big shooting by moving to put guns IN the schools.

Big government has sold off our manufacturing, our water rights, our labor for generations to come through debt creation, and now it wants our kids. It will place them under lock and load as opposed to lock and key, and then when the civil war begins, well, they'll keep the kids safe in an armed compound. And you WON'T be getting them back.

A shooting in Connecticut leads to all school kids in America being under the armed control of Blackwater.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: michaelr
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 12:07 AM

Amen, Little Hawk.

And yes, the left wing and the right wing do meet up in back, at the other center. Paul and Kucinich have more than a few things in common.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 01:07 AM

The blatant contradiction in the tirle of this thread shows the downright silliness of the person who started it.

RIDICULOUS!!

Pure Orwellian liguistic reversal.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 02:49 AM

=(:-( D)


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 06:14 AM

:0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 06:50 AM

What the hell has "liberal" got to do with "left wing"? This is political illiteracy..


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 07:12 AM

Just so's I know what page we're on, would someone please define the following terms:

Left-wing

Right-wing

Liberal

Conservative

Democrat

Republican

Socialist

Capitalist


Thank you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 07:23 AM

they have different meanings in different countries.No wonder we can't AGREE.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Charmion
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 07:26 AM

To 9's list, please add:

Progressive


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: GUEST,Rog Peek
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 07:41 AM

I am in England, so not really familiar with Mrs Boxer, is she offering this as an alternative to gun control, or in addition to?

Rog


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 07:54 AM

Gee, when I first suggested that Paul and Kucinich were the true dynamic duo and the left-right line was really a circle, damn near everyone jumped my ass as being stupid. When I explained that a far left radical was almost a far right reactionary, I was chastised again.

Piss off......


Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 08:01 AM

Another to 9's list:
Anarchist
=(:-( ))


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 08:06 AM

Well, someone's gotta get the ball rolling, so here's an example of what I mean.

Example of what I mean.

That was it. Notice I'm trying to be exact here--well, there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 08:20 AM

Spaw, do you want 'Piss off' added to the list?


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 08:35 AM

definitions:

Conservative: One who spends a lot of his own money to get others to do what he wants.

Liberal: One who spends a lot of other peoples' money to get others to do what he wants.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Charmion
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 08:40 AM

Hey, Spaw --

Back in the day, I asked my Dad to explain how the Soviets and the Fascists could be, respectively, left and right wing, and therefore opposites, when both ran "totalitarian" governments that went in for concentration camps and mass murder of their own citizens. (I was in Grade 12 and puzzling through the Russian Revolution in history class.)

He drank some tea, looked out the window, thought a bit, and finally said, "The range of political belief is not linear, but circular. When people get really extreme, they, um, meet at the back."

Incidentally, we should add Totalitarian to 9's list.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 09:23 AM

You had a Dad of great insight! In my case it was a college prof............

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Elmore
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 09:55 AM

Max Scmelling was a nice guy- for a fascist boxer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: kendall
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:03 AM

Schemelling was never a Nazi.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:15 AM

Schmeling was much more than that. Good one, Elmore.


Indeed, we are skewed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Elmore
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:19 AM

Kendall, I didn,t mean to offend anyone. Just making a lame joke based on the title of this thread. I guess there's nothing funny about caling somebody a fascist. Sorry. By the way, Schmelling used his celebrity to help some people who were being persecuted by the Nazi regime.He and Joe Louis, although not close friends, certainly respected one another and met several times after their bouts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:21 AM

Schmeling paid for Louis' funeral. That link is worth reading.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 02:50 PM

definitions nowadays are simple. If you're a conservative, Democrat,
Left-wing, Liberal. Socialist, Communist an Moderate are just synonyms for "bad"; if you're a liberal, Right-wing, Conservative, Republican, Capitalist are synonyms for "Bad". For both, "Fascist" means "bad".

Hang the meaning, what the Hell...


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 03:29 PM

"Socialism" has come to be used by rightish-wing Republicans as a pejorative term for the idea that a lot of businesses can't be trusted to operate without some regulation.

I wonder where anyone would get that idea! Oil business? Wall Street? Banking?

I tend to think that little boys who just hated to be 'told what to do', no matter whether it was good advice or not, grow up to be anti-'socialists'.

A lot of those terms, as Dick Greenhaus suggests, are just tossed around as slogans by people who either can't define them, or make up their own skewed definition to suit the debate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 03:48 PM

Sure does make for some difficult discussions. No wonder Alice was confused.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Songwronger
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 05:56 PM

In America, we're told that Democrats are liberal and Republicans are conservative.

Liberal = progressive. Progressive = cares about the poor and will spend tax money on them.

Conservative = reactionary (wants things to stay the same or revert to an earlier time). Conservative = doesn't want to pay taxes because the money will be spent on others.

Something like that. Liberals caring, Conservatives uncaring.

But this isn't borne out historically. After all, we used to have welfare in the U.S. It was called Aid to Families with Dependent Children. But Bill Clinton killed the program. We no longer have welfare in the U.S. because of Clinton. And people still hail him as a "liberal," "progressive" and so forth.

Conservatives don't like to be taxed, so they favor smaller government (less need to collect taxes to spend on government if it's smaller). But George W. Bush at least doubled the size of the federal government, and he was a "conservative."

So we've been misdirected forever on this issue.

But now the two sides of our political spectrum have found an issue they can agree on--putting kids under armed guard. Have any of you looked at emergency contingency plans for public schools? FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security TELL US that they will put our kids on busses and take them to "places of safety" in an emergency. And now, while they draft legislation to disarm us, they draft legislation to put armed guards in schools. There's a chance now that in some bullshit emergency you could rescue your kid from being carted off to oblivion, but once you're disarmed and Barbara Boxer has put armed guards in the schools, you'll be lucky if you get to wave goodbye to your kid as they kick his or her ass onto the bus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 06:08 PM

""I tend to think that little boys who just hated to be 'told what to do', no matter whether it was good advice or not, grow up to be anti-'socialists'.""

Explains why Republican politicians are uniformly ANTISOCIAL!

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 06:24 PM

American "socialism" is alive and well and living deep inside:

Wall Street

Agri-business

Big Oil

Clean (haha) Coal

Sports stadiums

The upper 2%

Defense contractors

The bottom 98% gets only what the above spills...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 06:50 PM

'And people still hail him [Bill Clinton] as a "liberal," "progressive" and so forth.'

I never liked him regardless what he was called.

Songwronger, I do agree with some of what you say on various threads. I think you should tell FEMA and HS to get fucked. However, being armed will not change the scenario you speak of. Trust me, both organizations have access to body armor and high powered weapons. With or without a gun, you go be dead real fast. Then your kids have no daddy.

I feel your country is in serious difficulty and has been since before the Bush years. I'm still not 100% sold on President Obama, but for the first time in about 15 years I think y'all may have a good chance to turn your country around. I was both a first responder and teacher for many years. I also know my way around firearms--well, long guns anyway. The American problem is one the people have allowed to happen. You have ignored things like the National Defense Authorization Act that took away habeas corpus. There was very little remark on that because lazy thinkers could say, "Obama would never use it." Tell you what: watch this 'fiscal cliff' shit, because if your president feels he needs to put soldiers and cops on the street to secure the American economy by keeping people like you contained, and people like those who thought nothing of your government's 'right' to imprison its citizens without due process as it was before the NDAA, well, stay tuned.

Your banks robbed the country blind, and how many people are doing jail time for that? OK, unfair question because we know people with millions and billions of dollars don't do jail time. So, let me rephrase the question: when hundreds of thousands of people lost their homes, how many cops came to arrest the crooks?

That should let you know the state of the nation. The only thing left will be people who stand up to these bastards and hold them to account. If y'all want to deal with the situation, you're talking to the wrong people. People on this forum have never found anything wrong with the green cameras, drones, electronic eaves-dropping. Too many have replied tinfoil hat or the puerile 'if you have nothing to hide why worry' crap. You want to do something positive, find ways to communicate that don't require internet, radio, mail, speaking where you can be lip-read or phone. The real enemy of totalitarianism is knowledge and communication, not guns and not anger. And it certainly isn't to be found in pissing off everyone else in the known universe.

Best regards.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Charmion
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 06:53 PM

This is fascinating.

Now, a century or so ago, in the British Empire, the Liberals were the laissez-faire big business party and the Conservatives were the party of the old, paternalistic rural interest based on land ownership and protection of domestic markets through tariffs.

When did they swap ends?


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 07:00 PM

Are they teaching Civics in high school anymore?

I guess not.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Songwronger
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 07:17 PM

Oh, the people of the U.S. know a shitstorm is coming. Obama's been endlessly compared to Abraham Lincoln, our Civil War president. That's not by accident. He's being prepped in the public consciousness to play the Lincoln part in the new Civil War.

No telling what incident will precipitate the war, but with the speed of telecommunications now, it will develop pretty quickly. Look at how quickly the America-killing PATRIOT Ace was passed after 9/11. The thing was already drawn up, just waiting for the event. Congress was run out of their offices with an anthrax scare and told to vote on the act as they left the building.

And now we have the fully-considered NDAA. This one wasn't passed in a rush. And with the NDAA, the federal government claims the right to hold Americans indefinitely without right to trial on "suspicion" of this and that.

So our Constitution is about to be put to the test. Do we want to continue with the creature comforts and live under the fascism of Goldman Sachs, or do we want our country back? The big money will be running commercials for the former.

I pass out flyers on this stuff. Research, compose, print, distribute. My posting stops here are just respites from the research. But this Boxer/LaPierre connection is vomit-making. I'm posting about this on both liberal and conservative sites. Surely people can see a convergence on this issue. Goldman Sachs has stolen all of our real assets in endless collateralizations and leveragings, and now they want our children. Physically want them. Want to put them off limits, under armed guard, with busses waiting. There is a THRIVING international child slave market, and our kids are now being targeted for that market. By Goldman Sachs operating through our government. If that doesn't get your blood up, nothing will.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 07:29 PM

"liberals" want the impossible. They expect a capitalist system in decline to care for the old, the poor, the sick and the unemployable.

Dont they understand that the "democratic", "egalitarian"and "free" system that we live under and which they would support to their last breath, is actually based and run on inequality.
Its god is money and we are simply pawns to be used then discarded when we become an inconvenience......like right now....watch our standard of living, pension rights, benefits being cut to the bone because the credit scam went arse up, and our money was used to bail out the crooks.

"liberals" are a fucking menace......they should carry a health warning.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 07:34 PM

I fully agree with Wrongman's comparison of Obama to Lincoln... Each had a bunch of pissed off racist Southerners eat up for hate for each of them... This is about racism... Was in 1860 and it is now... Lincoln, as I have said in other threads over the years, IMHO blew it...

Obama??? I think he has a 80% of not blowing it but...

...nothin' is a given when you have millions of pissed off rednecks...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Charmion
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 08:38 PM

Thriving international market in child slaves?

Are you feeling okay, SW? Would you like a nice, cool cloth to put on your forehead? Cup of tea?

Sheesh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 09:32 PM

I smell the pungent aroma of conspiracy theory here. . . .

Into your tinfoil hats, everyone!! The UFOs are on their way!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 09:35 PM

We've been in a seemingly endless tin-foil cycle sine Obama was elected in '08, Don, and I expect no change until the pissed off people get another white person on the "Whites Only" House...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Songwronger
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 09:43 PM

I could provide a hundred links to verified stories about child slavery, white slavery, human slavery, prison slavery, but you would choose not to believe them. You're doubtful now, and when you're shown to be wrong, you'll become obstinate in your denial. It's not worth the time to try to convince you.

The coming civil war has nothing to do with racism. Except in the minds of drones like Bobert. He's been fed the meme of racism and will act on it as long as his circuitry has a spark in it. He's a lost cause.

I misspoke by calling what's coming a Civil War. It will be a fabricated event made to seem like a civil war. Much like what we're seeing now in Syria. Obama and Hilliary Clinton are arming al Qeada thugs and claiming they're "oppressed freedom fighters." That will happen in the U.S. There will be a series of incidents, and the liberals will support Obama's placing of troops on the streets. The troops will be abusive, armed citizens will react, and Bobert Brigades will spring up to supplement the military.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 09:50 PM

Yes, we do have a slave class... It's called the working class which has been decimated by a 30 year old war on unions... It started with Ronald Reagan wiping out the Air Traffic Controllers Union and it been a tag team (government and industry) ever since...

The current civil war is being conducted against the labor class by the rich... There is a reason why the labor class has not gotten a raise in the last 3 decades while the ruling class has seen a 300% increase in their incomes...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:01 PM

Curious as to Songwronger's views on the efficacy of anti-psychotic drugs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Songwronger
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:04 PM

Obama just "saved" General Motors by cutting the wages of entry-level workers in half. I agree the labor class is under attack by the rich. Obama is rich. I wonder how much his income has gone up in the last 3 decades? A lot more than some measly 300%.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:07 PM

Last I knew he had seven millions. That was about two/three years ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:10 PM

The fact the Obama is rich doesn't enter in to this discussion, wronger... Yoy, like Lyndon LaRouche, have half the story correct and the other so fucked up it wipes out the half you got correct...

Obama ain't the problem here...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Songwronger
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:14 PM

Obama IS the problem. He's a fascist posing as a liberal. And lifelong liberals have trouble thinking a black man could be a fascist. Hitler was a fascist. Mussolini. Not Bill Cosby. So I guess in that sense I have to agree with you that racism is a problem here. You people can't see past skin color.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:24 PM

No, wronger is delusional...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:24 PM

When my wife was working at the Seattle Public Library some years back, she became acquainted with a woman who listened to various late night programs on the radio such as "Art Bell's Coast to Coast." Art Bell dealt in the paranormal and he apparently never met a conspiracy theory that he did not try to persuade his listeners to believe in wholeheartedly.

Now, this is a very nice lady, and she does manage to lead a more or less normal life. And she has been a guest in our home many times. But she swears to God that one day at the library, she checked out some books for an alien. He looked perfectly normal in all respects, except—the apertures in the pupils of his eyes were not the usual little black dots, but were shaped like this:   + .

Now, how that would work mechanically, I can't quite figure out, but obviously this meant the man was an alien.

She was bitterly disappointed when the world didn't come to a screeching halt on December 21st this year, when the Mayan calendar ran out, but not to worry. There will be a new Doomsday coming down the pike when the Council of Dire Prognosticators holds their next monthly meeting.

Tell you what, Songwronger:   I'm sure I could arrange for the two of you to meet. I think the two of you could have a lot of fun playing "Ain't it awful?" and generally frightening the shit out of each other.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:35 PM

Just for the record, from Google:

"Barack Hussein Obama II, has a net worth between $2,801,012 and $11,830,000, according to analysis of his 2012 financial disclosure forms. Excluding the $1.4 million in Nobel Prize money he donated to charity and his primary home.

"His historic run for the presidency helped him sell millions of copies of his two books, Dreams of My Father and The Audacity of Hope, during the campaign. He sold another 100,000 copies the week following his election. In 2009, the president earned an advance for an abridged version of Dreams for young adults; the deal made him the first sitting president in recent memory to receive a book advance while in office. The real money will be made years from now: Obama could certainly earn tens of millions of dollars a year giving speeches full time.

"President Barack Obama's base salary is $400,000 a year. He also has access to a $150,000 expense account as well as a $100,000 tax free travel account and $20,000 entertainment budget."


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:46 PM

To my friend Don Firth.

Years back a dear and good friend represented a lady in one of the USA's weapons labs. She was being fired because she was ostensibly incompetent at her job. She had been hired and the employer had known she typed about forty words a minute. She came into question because she disagreed with her bosses about corporate policy, especially the one about handicapped people in the workplace.

In front of a state judge it was determined that the employer was wrong, that she be reinstated to her job and that damages be paid.

I doubt that type of thing will happen again soon. It was in the early 1970s.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:49 PM

I forgot to mention, she was blind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: artbrooks
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 05:35 PM

Federal job? State judge? Regardless of the rightness of the decision, it had no value - Federal trumps state (no jurisdiction).


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Subject: RE: BS: Scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist -Boxer
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 08:30 PM

The lab was at that time federally contracted. It did and still does belong to a university.


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