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Mo the caller 28 Dec 12 - 10:35 AM
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Artful Codger 28 Dec 12 - 07:43 PM
Jim Dixon 28 Dec 12 - 08:01 PM
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Subject: Tech: Mudcat thread colours
From: Mo the caller
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:35 AM

When I read a message in a thread the thread title changes colour.
Except sometimes it changes back again. I've noticed this for the last week or so.
I wonder if this happens when I open IE, read Mudcat, go somewhere else then come back the Mudcat - maybe, but I'm not sure. Pressing refresh doesn't cure it (though can't be sure as I've opened the thread again by then)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat thread colours
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 12:59 PM

Your browser keeps track of everything you do, and you can choose what colors will be shown for links, with different colors for "visited" and "not visited." If you use IE and set the link colors there, the same colors usually will show in Word or other Office files, although I can't say whether other browsers/programs are that closely linked.

If someone else posts to a thread that you've looked at, it's a new link, so the color changes back to the "unvisited" color. You can use that to tell if the thread has anything new since you looked last.

If you clear your browser history, lose your cookie(s), and sometimes if you do a "Disk Cleanup" your browser can "forget" where you've been and you lose the indication that you've looked at a particular link, but that's not something that happens very often. Usually the going back to the "unvisited" color just means that the target - and the link - has been changed so there'll be something new to look at if you click it again.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat thread colours
From: Newport Boy
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 01:01 PM

The change in colour is fairly standard link behaviour. If the link changes, eg if there is another post to the thread before you revisit or refresh, the colur must revert - you haven't visited the new link.

Phil


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat thread colours
From: Newport Boy
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 01:03 PM

Snap! JiK

Phil


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat thread colours
From: Artful Codger
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 07:43 PM

However, there must be more to the story, because often I will visit the Mudcat main (recent threads) page and find that ALL the links have reverted, including those for threads with no new messages. The link URLs themselves ought to be exactly the same (same base URL with the same argument [number of messages now in the thread]), and the only change I may have made to viewing the page has been to change the viewing age (I typically start viewing the main page specifying the cutoff age as two days rather than the default one). I just did a test changing the age, though, and my links hadn't reverted. Curiouser and curiouser.

The link colors will also revert if you clear your browser's "history".

Link history is specific to your browser, so typically, if you change browsers, expect your link colors to revert accordingly.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat thread colours
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 08:01 PM

Is it possible that sometimes you're looking at

http://mudcat.org/

and sometimes you're looking at

http://www.mudcat.org/

???


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat thread colours
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 09:05 PM

As noted above, it is possible to "clear" most of the things your browser remembers. Disk Cleanup can do much of it, depending on which items you select for deletion. Browsers can usually be set to "delete history" on closing, and that sometimes removes the changed colors. I've seen some sites that appeared to have done updates that appear to have involved "swapped servers" in which case all links are new. I haven't seen whether a simple server reboot erases the changes consistently, but in some cases it seems to.

Since it's a conveninece feature that helps you know what you've looked at the occasional loss of "history" never seemed important enough to try to find all the ways it can happen. Occasionally revisiting a link that's "lost its color" seems (to me) less of a concern than being assured that the "visited" color always disappears if the link target changes.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat thread colours
From: Mo the caller
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 04:34 AM

Well most of the above was too technical for me - I've not cleared anything and wouldn't know how.
I only know that the colours USED to show which thread I had read ALL of, now it's more chancey.
This morning only I thread was purple - so (maybe) there have been new posts in others.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat thread colours
From: Mo the caller
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 04:52 AM

Right, it's done it again.
After I had posted I opened the thread again and it turned purple. Then I went onto anpther site. When I came back it was blue again, and no-one else had posted.
But some of the threads are still purple.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat thread colours
From: Mo the caller
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 04:54 AM

The ones that are still purple are ones that were purple when I opened the browser, or that no-one has posted to since I opened it.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat thread colours
From: Artful Codger
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 06:28 AM

Jim, which page you're looking at shouldn't matter unless it affects the URL which is generated for the link (i.e., the link history shouldn't be page-specific). But you may have something there.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat thread colours
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 11:01 AM

If you view a thread in 50-message increments (clicking on the number under "messages") or view it in descending order (clicking on the "d" beside that number) it doesn't change the thread title to your "visited" color. It only changes the color of the actual link you clicked (the number or "d").


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat thread colours
From: Mo the caller
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 11:57 AM

Yes, I'd worked that out. Also if you click a link from your personal page it doesn't colour the index page.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat thread colours
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 04:18 PM

I've not cleared anything and wouldn't know how.
Your browser does a lot of things automatically


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat thread colours
From: JHW
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 05:00 PM

I nearly posted to this last night to say all I'd looked at in the last few days were staying purple though historically none stay purple for good. As is happens tonight this very thread had not retained purple.
I always use the same address, on a toolbar button.
The Home link is always purple


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat thread colours
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 05:58 PM

A couple of VERY SIMPLE things you might check in IE:

If you don't see the "File Edit View Favorites Tools Help" line on the top tool bar you can right click on any blank space and you should get a dropdown list of toolbars. You can click to put a check by "Menu Bar" if you want to see it. If you don't want it there, then don't bother, since you can get most of the same choices by clicking the "little gear" at the right end of the bar where the URL shows.

Click Tools on the menu and Internet Options on the drop down, or click the gear and then Internet Options on the drop down that you get there. EITHER way works.

On the Internet Options window, it should open with the "General" tab up. There will be a box at the top where you can enter a home page (or several home tabs), and just below that there will be a section called "Browsing History."

CHECK #1: In the Browsing History section there is a little square box labelled "Delete browsing history on exit." IF THERE IS A CHECK in the box, most of what the browser can remember will be deleted when you close IE. This MAY remove information about which threads you've looked at so that the next time you open IE at mudcat they won't show as "visited."

While this selection says it will clear cookies and history, it doesn't necessarily clear everything. Cookies, in particular, can be "permanent," "temporary," or can have an "expiration date." Temporary cookies will mostly be deleted. Permanent cookies usually won't. What happens to others can be variable, whether or not the "delete history" box is checked.

CHECK #2: On the same Internet Options window, at the Privacy tab, there should be a button marked "Sites." Click the Sites button, and you'll get a box where you can enter the name of a site and either Block or Allow that site. If you put mudcat.org in the box and click Allow, mudcat.org will appear in the list below with the notation "always allow."

Being in the always allow list permits mudcat to put "permanent" and/or "timed expiration" cookies on your computer, and these usually will NOT DISAPPEAR even if the "Delete History" box is checked.

Sites that are NOT listed to "always allow" may only give you a temporary cookie that is supposed to disappear as soon as you leave the site.

I haven't checked recently, but mudcat used to appear to give you a permanent "login" cookie, but also gave you an additional "session cookie" each time you entered the site. The most recent session cookie is what your browser probably looks at to see which threads you've opened, although there are a couple of ways it can be done. If your session cookies disappear, the colors go with them.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat thread colours
From: JHW
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 06:00 PM

So I've come back a bit later. This thread, which I visited, is blue but another Ukash virus (which I thought was UK ash virus!) has stayed purple. WTH


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