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Review: Radio 2 Folk Show

GUEST,Harry Basnett 02 Jan 13 - 04:08 PM
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Subject: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Harry Basnett
Date: 02 Jan 13 - 04:08 PM

Congratulations to Mark Radcliffe on a very entertaining programme kicking off the New Year on Radio 2. A refreshing change to hear a live broadcast with interaction with the listeners and a great selection of music. I know a lot of people had doubts about this new format but I think it was a change long overdue....and it's from Salford!


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 02 Jan 13 - 04:17 PM

And they can afford live performances once again. It must be a big studio because they started with Bellowhead.

Next week it's Karine Polwart, followed by Fairport Convention. Then it's off to Glasgow for the Folk Awards.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Harry Basnett
Date: 02 Jan 13 - 04:19 PM

Apparently, Media City is the bees knees...should be good!


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 02 Jan 13 - 04:52 PM

But Mark Radcliffe gabbles and isn't pleasant to listen to. He needs to slow down a bit


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jan 13 - 05:40 PM

Was good, pity it's from Salford.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jan 13 - 05:41 PM

Same music, different presenter style. No BBC moulds were broken in the making of this programme. Nothing new was learned other than that Roy Harper will appear at the Folk Awards. Why?


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 02 Jan 13 - 06:17 PM

Perhaps Roy Harper is presenting or receiving an award.

From Cambridge News

Cambridge Folk Festival 2012: Saturday. Paul Kirkley finds the festival's questing spirit in ruder health than ever.

"I'm the folk singer today," Roy Harper told the main stage crowd, perhaps a touch churlishly, on Saturday evening. You can kind of see what he means: the top-down reinvention of folk music over the last 15 years or so must be quite bewildering for someone like Harper: an unreconstructed, stubbornly immovable 60s protest singer still belting out anti-Vietnam anthems with nothing more showy than an acoustic guitar and a voice that was in danger of leaving Cherry Hinton Hall entirely stripped of wallpaper.

From Emma Hartley's Glamour Cave

Here's a scene I may have imagined.
G: And then I knew...
ME: (Caught up) What? What did you know?
G: It's going to have to be a lifetime achievement award for Roy Harper this year.
ME: Oh Genevieve! How could you?
(Wailing, fade to blackout)


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 Jan 13 - 06:33 PM

Probably because Roy Harper is an anti-Muslim xenophobe:

http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=135732

and Salford is one of the major centres of far-right activism in the UK (I am not going to give any links or even any search terms, you know how to find out).

Promoting a long-forgotten has-been-who-never-was like Harper must be a deliberate provocation on somebody's part. Radcliffe and his pals can't be that stupid.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 02 Jan 13 - 06:48 PM

Main problem is it's still on Radio 2!


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 02 Jan 13 - 06:54 PM

Must have misheard the gabble.

I thought he said JOKE awards - seemed perfectly apt to me!


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Harry Basnett
Date: 02 Jan 13 - 11:56 PM

"Hats off to Roy Harper"....


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 01:43 AM

I heard the last ten minutes live (I usually follow the show on the podcast), enjoyed it, and look forward to catching up with the podcast. A different presenting style to Mike Harding, but pretty much the same mix of music as before. The sky would appear not to have fallen.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 03:19 AM

I've never heard him before, why does he talk so fast all the time ? seemed a bit frantic to me.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: r.padgett
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 04:47 AM

Mark Radcliffe a good start I thought and the pace of his chat was indicative of his nervousness at the first show

Hope he can keep to the down to earth approach and where Roy Harper fits in god only knows

Looks as though costs could be a factor, are they paying Bellowhead more than travel and Karin Polwart (nowt to do with me) for studio time!

Celtic Connections have aways done a great tv coverage so the Folk Awards should be great too

One point only BBC Folk Awards should be English!! Not British, The Scots have their own Awards for Scottish (predominantly artists and groups) if I am wrong, why??
Ray

Ray


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: Acorn4
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 04:56 AM

I think Roy Harper is far more deserving of a lifetime award than Donovan was personally.

A widely unrecognised genius in my opinion, but then what do I know?


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Enfield/Swindon Pete
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 05:47 AM

A good show - yep he gabbles - but was this show a sprat to catch a Mackerel?


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 05:56 AM

Well Harper's marginally less barking than Donovan (give or take a sheep or two), no more irrelevant than John Martyn and will probably manage to be more in tune than Don MacLean, so it's probably a minuscule improvement in the Folk Awards tradition. Which is probably the only time the word 'tradition' will be linked with any of those three. Oh, but Harper did a song about cricket so he must be folk. And he lives in Ireland, so that's folky too.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: gnomad
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 06:11 AM

I hadn't encountered Radcliffe before, so could listen with an open mind. It seemed a bit frenetic for me (both presenter and much of the music) and a higher ratio of rabbit to music than my memory of what went before. Still, it is early days yet. I will give him at least one more go in a month or so, once he has had a chance to settle down.

Nice that there were some studio performers, but I'll reserve judgement until I see who is chosen, and how often.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 06:14 AM

Roy Harper is not a has been who never was.
He has been Roy Harper, and he still is.
Its not as though he never was Roy Harper.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: JHW
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 06:22 AM

I didn't listen to Mike Harding so I've long forgotten when his show ever was - when's the new show please?


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 06:52 AM

Mark Radcliffe is a far more experienced broadcaster than Harding (he has had a prime time five days a week show on one or other of the main BBC stations continuously for 20 years, on top of all the other stuff he does, and for a while presented the Radio1 breakfast show - supposedly the biggest slot in radio) so I don't think its nervousness. That's how he talks on all his other shows too.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: SunrayFC
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 07:15 AM

A superb start to what will be a popular show. A professional presenter.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 07:24 AM

No bias there then ;)


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 08:24 AM

Well I have at last got around to listening to the new show.
Very good introduction from Mark Radcliffe. So now we know his pedigree and I for one am happy to give him a listen.
Unfortunately he fell at the first hurdle, for me, with the massively overated Bellowhead. But that's my taste.

I shall now listen to the rest.....It's getting better already!!

Good luck to all concerned.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: Continuity Jones
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 08:28 AM

Well, I've been quick to say what a false clown I think he is, so I guess I should be as quick to say he wasn't too bad last night, thankfully. No forced wacky ness and even quite amusing once or twice.

I guess he must have read a few of the message boards to feel the need to put that big intro in stating his credentials. Fair enough. Hello Mark, keep the ants from your pants and you should be ok.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 08:37 AM

And is it getting better, oh yes!

One problem though, there doesn't seem to be a play list like there used to be.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 09:01 AM

What an astounding thread!

Firstly, I agree with Harry. Good show, well produced. Not all to my taste but in an hours worth of music that is to be expected.

Then, all within the first few posts, we get the old arguments of

- What is folk music? (Roy Harper at the folk awards? Gasp! )
- Let's knock the North (Salford? How could they have the audacity?)

and even, though I am not sure how Mr Campin will justify this one

- Harper has been given an award becaus ehe is an anti-moslem xenophobe and it is because the folk show is now from Salford! What?

Beyond belief. Well, no I guess not given the forum we are on :-)

I'll stick to whether I like the show or not in the future but, for reference, Roy Harper was and still is an exceptional singer/songwriter. Also, his opinions are as valid as anyone elses. Who dictated that all folk music must be left wing, anti-establisment dogma? As to Salfords place in the world? Well, I shouldn't be arguing for it as I am moving shortly but that is purely for work and economic purposes. It is becuase of people who slag off Salford that the work is no longer here. I hope you are all happy, especialy you Jack, that you are on the same side as Thatcher and her minnions in being party to the ripping apart of the mills, mines and factories that you happily sing about with tears in your eyes.

Cheers

Dave the, Salford and proud of it, Gnome


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Harry Basnett
Date: 04 Jan 13 - 01:02 AM

Well put, Dave....some of the comments on this thread remind me why I abandoned the folk scene 10 years ago...I was hoping attitudes might have changed!


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 04 Jan 13 - 01:41 AM

I shall look forward to the thread next week complaining that the Mark Radcliffe show isn't as good as it used to be ....


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: Uncle Tone
Date: 04 Jan 13 - 03:51 AM

I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds Mark Radcliffe's rapid-fire meandering style very irritating. It might be OK for late night slots to keep down royalty figures, but I don't find it suitable for a specialist folk show. We have enough time-wasting waffling presenters at clubs and festivals already! We don't need it on national radio.

Tone


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,GUEST,Dave W
Date: 04 Jan 13 - 04:09 AM

You're not on your own canalwheeler.

I have to confess to having just previously listened to Mike Harding's first podcast. No adverts !!

Radcliffe did sound nervous and probably was under a bit of pressure but I do find his presentation irritating. I had just last week watched a bit of Sky Arts Cambridge Folk and found him irritating there.

The fact that it its live, one of the controller's desires apparently, just gives more fuel to the waffle/banter fire.

It is his way and I'm sure lots of folk like it, otherwise he wouldn't be a successful presenter. It just doesn't appeal to this 60yr old northerner :)

Cheers - Dave


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jan 13 - 04:16 AM

Errrrrrrmmmmm, errrrrr-ummmmmm,, errrrrrr-ummmmm-errrrrr-ummmm, errrrrrrrrrmmmm, don't know what you mean, Tone. :-)

Radcliffe's blathering presentation style, with the constant "errrrmmmm' and "errrrr-ummmm" interjections, is amateurish and irritating in the extreme. But it looks as though it's the same people telling him what tracks to play who gave MH his playlist so, apart from the drop in presentation standards, nowt's changed really.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,George Frampton
Date: 04 Jan 13 - 07:05 AM

Verdict: breath of fresh air!
There were a number of references to traditional events too which was different from its previous centralism towards the 1970/80's folk club movement. There was a reference to Haxey Hood, albeit as a lead into Carthy-Swarbrick singing 'John Barleycorn'.
It's wassail time, Plough Monday next week, followed by Whittlesea Straw Bear on the Saturday! I hope Mark can maintain the momentum.
There's more to 'folk' than artistes picking up gongs at awards ceremonies!
He'll be very welcome at The Volunteer in Sidmouth in August, anyway!


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 04 Jan 13 - 08:17 AM

I don't see why Mark Radcliffe should have been nervous. He's hardly a novice presenter - he's been at the BBC since 1990. He's been on air almost daily ever since.

Whilst he won't appeal to everyone, he has received broad approval for his work. With Marc Riley he's won three Sony Gold awards for Best Daily Music Show.

We've now got a choice - Mike Harding's second independent show will come out today, Friday.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Harry Basnett
Date: 04 Jan 13 - 08:22 AM

Would all those who are so ready to criticise prefer there was no folk programme on Radio 2 at all. E-mails and texts are, like it or not, a major feature of BBc radio programmes these days and, prsonally, I agree with George and found the new format a breath of fresh air and enjoyed the live feel to the broadcast.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: Uncle Tone
Date: 04 Jan 13 - 09:43 AM

Would all those who are so ready to criticise prefer there was no folk programme on Radio 2 at all.

That'll be the beebs attitude too. Take it or leave it. It might have been at least a good gesture if the beeb had consulted with its listeners before changing presenters. But it seldom listens. It just broadcasts.

Tone


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Mavis Enderby
Date: 04 Jan 13 - 09:53 AM

I'm listening to it now and enjoying it, even though I'm not a massive fan of Bellowhead. Looking forward to the forthcoming electric Chris Wood session in a couple of weeks.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: JHW
Date: 04 Jan 13 - 05:17 PM

Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: JHW - PM
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 06:22 AM

I didn't listen to Mike Harding so I've long forgotten when his show ever was -
when's the new show PLEASE?


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Harry Basnett
Date: 04 Jan 13 - 06:47 PM

7:00 p.m. on Wednesdays....and canalwheeler....whether it be the B.B.C.'s attitude or not I'm just being realistic....and, personally, I don't see what all the fuss is about! Mike has his podcast - listen to that if you prefer and don't listen to the Radio 2 programme or listen to both. Where's the problem? Radio presenters come and go.                                       
I appreciate the heading for this thread was a review of the prigramme but surely this does not invite insulting comments regarding the presenter.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jan 13 - 07:25 PM

Oh it does, Harry, it does :-) Believe me, you have done a great favour to those who feel the need to complain. I suggest you start a thread about your favourite artist next and see how any people try to convince you that they (your fave) are not folk / crap / over-rated or evil devil worshipers who want to shag your cat...

BTW - I am sure I know the name - Are you from around Manchester / Salford and ever been to Swinton Folk Club? Ot are you famous and I should know anyway? In which case - I do apologise :-)

I also knew a Gill Basnett from west London way and worked with her at BOC Great West House for some time back in the 70s or 80s. She was mad as a hatter but a very nice girl. Just in case all Basnetts are related!

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 04 Jan 13 - 07:43 PM

I've presented both Folk and Blues shows on the BBC for over 27 years. I had no problem with Mark Radcliffe as a presenter, but thats where it begins and ends. What is missing in buckets full in his presentation style is knowledge. Mark presented the show as if it was any other music show. His approach would have worked equally well for any music genre, and thats a shame. Making dedications to listeners is all very nice but also unecessary. It's not a crime or in any way unprofessional, but is not specialist music presentation style. Point of order if you are going to play 'Sitting on top of the World played in Cajun style good for you! But don't call it a Blues/Folk song, when it was written by Howling Wolf! Its also worth knowing that Howling Wolf was actually Chester Burnett. This is why the Blues Show is presented by Paul Jones, and this is why I miss Mike Harding.
On a positive note it's not hard and fast and can improve, but Mark needs to do his homework. However if (and I hope Not) he thinks it uneccesary or plain boring to come up with the goods then we've got a problem. Time no doubt will tell.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Mavis Enderby
Date: 05 Jan 13 - 03:50 AM

I thought it was first recorded by the Mississippi Sheiks in the 30's? As Mark Radcliffe states?


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: theleveller
Date: 05 Jan 13 - 04:40 AM

"Its also worth knowing that Howling Wolf was actually Chester Burnett"

I think, if you did your homework, you'd find that Howling Wolf was, in fact, Howlin' Wolf. I can see, however, that you are unfamiliar with the apostrophe.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 05 Jan 13 - 05:03 AM

Nyah nyah nyah-nyah.
So there!


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: SunrayFC
Date: 05 Jan 13 - 07:51 AM

A breath of fresh air, long over due.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 05 Jan 13 - 10:17 AM

Carry on being clever Leveller. I'll bloody level you with your own apostrophe given half a chance!


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Harry Basnett
Date: 05 Jan 13 - 12:12 PM

Bit of a thread creep setting in but 'Sitting on top of the World' was originally by the Mississipi Sheiks....


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 05 Jan 13 - 01:26 PM

Listen again:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01pgrp0/The_Folk_Show_with_Mark_Radcliffe_Bellowhead_session/

Can be downloaded with RadioDownloader.

Mark Radcliffe presents the first edition of his brand new folk show, live from Salford Quays.

To usher in the new programme and the new year, Mark is joined in the studio by the 11-piece folk phenomenon Bellowhead, who will perform tracks from their latest album Broadside.

Mark Radcliffe welcomes the band to the BBC's Salford studios for this, the first edition of Radio 2's new Folk Show. The weekly programme will see lifelong folk fan Mark explore the wide and wonderful range of traditional and contemporary folk and acoustic music from around the UK and the world, with regular interviews and live sessions from folk's finest performers.

Virtuosic, energetic and thrilling, Bellowhead's remarkable albums and live performances have captured the imagination of folk fans old and new. The band formed in 2004 when duo Spiers & Boden decided to revisit the concept of big band folk music and invited jazz and fellow folk musicians to form a group that, for many, has recast English traditional music in an exciting new light and significantly broadened its appeal.

Bellowhead's 2010 album, Hedonism, was recorded at Abbey Road studios and produced by the renowned rock and roots producer John Leckie. The record went silver, selling more than 60,000 copies, a remarkable achievement for an independently released British folk album. The band's 2012 follow-up, Broadside, entered the UK album chart in the Top 20, and earned the band two nominations in this year's BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards.

An exhilarating and theatrical live band, Bellowhead have performed at the BBC Proms, Radio 2's 2Day and Live in Hyde Park events, and headlined festivals across the country. They have been the subject of television specials and are artists in residence at London's Southbank Centre.

Performing on the Folk Show with Mark Radcliffe in the next few weeks are popular and respected Scottish singer Karine Polwart (9 January), acclaimed songwriter Chris Wood (16 January) and legendary folk-rock pioneers Fairport Convention (23 January).

On Wednesday 30 January, Mark will join Julie Fowlis onstage at Glasgow's Royal Concert Hall to host the fourteenth annual BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards. The event will be broadcast live on Radio 2 from 7.30pm.

Broadcast on
BBC Radio 2, 7:00PM Wed, 2 Jan 2013

Available until
8:02PM Wed, 9 Jan 2013

First broadcast
BBC Radio 2, 7:00PM Wed, 2 Jan 2013

Duration
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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jan 13 - 01:38 PM

On a minor nitpicking point I think you'll find that SOTOTW goes back to even before the Chatmons, even if they arranged it the way it has subsequently mostly been done. As, for example, did a lot of stuff first recorded by the Carter Family and generally credited to them. This stuff's called traditional music . . .

Once upon a time the BBC had wonderful broadcasters like the late Alexis Korner who could be erudite and entertaining, who could hook you in, educate you without you realising it, and inspire you to make all sorts of other discoveries. Specialist programmes need presenters like that, with both a breadth of knowledge and great populist broadcasting skills. Having had Barbara Dickson sleep on your settee 40 years ago or having lurked around in the artist bar at Cambridge Folk Festival is minor stuff compared to that.

Where are the people today who have that breadth of knowledge like an Alexis and the ability to put it over for both the casual listener and the already expert? Not found (or wanted, probably) on the BBC any more, that's for sure.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: greg stephens
Date: 05 Jan 13 - 02:35 PM

Bit of a mistake to demand that presenters should be knowledgable and then claim Sitting on Top of the World was written by Howling Wolf. Motes and beams, Nick Dow.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,roderick warner
Date: 05 Jan 13 - 03:39 PM

The late Alexis heard the connections in music, not being some one-dimensional purist. His radio programs were where he really shone - don't really see old Mike Harding playing Charles Mingus somehow (who had a big influence on UK music via Davy Graham/Jansch et al, tracking the influence lines). I saw his band Blues Incorporated many times, each occasion a different lineup of the best, mainly jazz musicians around, who were all better than him, but it never seemed to matter. Saw him on his all-nighter's down Les Cousins, come to think of it, playing electric guitar. Never less than interesting but I always felt that his musical ambition never matched his techniques/abilities. His great talent was bringing people/music together, I suspect - like a more interesting and cooler version of the breathless/annoying Jools Holland. But he'd been around a long time - since 'Trad Tavern' at least...


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 05 Jan 13 - 08:13 PM

Ok Fair enough, but it does not rob me of the wider point. Mark is a good broadcaster, but my simple point is that he's more suited to mainstream broadcasting at the moment, and needs to alter his style. I think if you listen to Bob Harris presenting his programme or Paul Jones for that matter you'll see what I mean. Mistakes are not a problem, after twenty seven years I still screw up (especially with my apostophe and writing credits it seems) Pausing and thinking out loud makes the broadcaster more human and seem accessable, all that is good, all of that Mark does very well, but a grounding in the music is desireable and it is essential to aim your style at a target audience. This is old school BBC training and unfortunately has been superceded by the the accross the board style which leads to the brainless demand to play trails that sweet FA to do with the show being presented. Result I am asked to play a trail for the latest BBC drama in the middle of my Specialist music show.
The thinking is rightly or wrongly that everybody is interested in everything which is not true in my opinion, and it leads to the one size fits all broadcasting style that we have in mainstream radio and TV. If I was producing Mark I would suggest that he imagines he is talking to a small room full of Folk enthusiasts, who really want to know something about the songs or the artists, and want a laid back approachable style, that includes them so they dont feel talked at. (Sorry I missed the apostrophe again) I also think that Mark is perfectly capable of giving that sort of presentation, and I hope this is what we see in the not too distant.
So no I'm not bashing Mark Radcliffe, but hoping that things might improve in time. No doubt you'll tell me what you think.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jan 13 - 09:46 PM

he's more suited to mainstream broadcasting at the moment, and needs to alter his style.

Tell me, pray, what is a folk style of broadcasting?


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: foggers
Date: 05 Jan 13 - 09:46 PM

I have liked Mark Radcliffe's style for some years, and I enjoyed the first show. I do agree that he could do a little more "homework" on folk music, having reflected upon the points made about good specialist music presenters like Paul Jones and Bob Harris.

And a folk programme on national radio is better than nowt.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 06 Jan 13 - 07:42 AM

I think Mark Radcliffe has served his apprenticeship. I suppose they could have asked Paddy McGuinness or Vernon Kay instead.

BBC Radio 2 Cambridge Folk Festival

2011 Mike Harding and Mark Radcliffe present three hours of musical highlights and exclusive backstage interviews from the 2011 Cambridge Folk Festival.

2010 Mark Radcliffe, Stuart Maconie and Mike Harding present three hours of musical highlights, interviews and backstage shenanigans from the 2010 Cambridge Folk Festival.

2009 Mark Radcliffe presents an hour of highlights from the 2009 Cambridge Folk Festival.

2008 Duration: 2 hours Mike Harding joins Mark Radcliffe to look back at musical highlights and interviews from this year's festival.

2006 Duration: 1 hour Mark Radcliffe presents the best music from the main stages and interviews with the performers.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: Stu
Date: 06 Jan 13 - 08:14 AM

"What is missing in buckets full in his presentation style is knowledge."

Oh yawn. Here we go. So you know the length of Martin Carthy's tallywhacker and his favourite brand of plectrum - so what? If you were such a great broadcaster then why aren't you presenting the show and blinding us with your superior knowledge? Radcliffe is a musician and plays the music (which is worth more than knowing any amount of trivia), he understands the music and doesn't need to know which hand Shirley Collins wipes her arse with to get over the spirit and joy of the music.


"It might be OK for late night slots to keep down royalty figures . . ."

Ignorant tripe. Radders co-hosts a show with Stuart Maconie every afternoon on 6 music, and bloody good it is too (as is the radio station as a whole). You mean little comment is born of simply not knowing and spouting off anyway. Now you know.

As for his delivery style, it's subjective. I like it as he's a true enthusiast who loves the traditional music of these islands in it's myriad incarnations. I for one am pleased we don't have some folk club wonk displaying their encyclopaedic knowledge and boring us shitless for an hour to impress their folk elite friends. How dull would that be? Some people don't seem to want to enjoy the music for what it is; their loss (not that I'm disparaging knowledge of the subject at all and I enjoy the detail myself, but don't force your brilliance on other people; that's boorish at best, disrespectful at worst).

Looking forward to the next show.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 13 - 08:19 AM

C'mon, SJ, don't beat about the bush. Tell us what you think...

:D


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jan 13 - 08:25 AM

why do folk listen to radio 'folk' music on radio anyway? It's been crap for years- nothing will change- get yourself some Cds and ignore them!- YOU know what you like so let all these folk' presenters' feck off and just get on with your lives....


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Harry Basnett
Date: 06 Jan 13 - 09:02 AM

I was about to respond to the nameless 'Guest' above when I realised he/she is probably hanging around a bridge waiting for passing billy-goats....things really haven't changed here...


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 06 Jan 13 - 09:38 AM

Holy mother 'ave Moses! What is that SJ pillock on?


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Jan 13 - 11:41 AM

"I for one am pleased we don't have some folk club wonk displaying their encyclopaedic knowledge and boring us shitless for an hour to impress their folk elite friends. How dull would that be? Some people don't seem to want to enjoy the music for what it is; their loss (not that I'm disparaging knowledge of the subject at all and I enjoy the detail myself, but don't force your brilliance on other people; that's boorish at best, disrespectful at worst)."

That has a ring of truth about it! Well said SJ.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: Stu
Date: 06 Jan 13 - 11:52 AM

"What is that SJ pillock on?"

Me high feckin' horse. The question is, what are you on?


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 06 Jan 13 - 12:09 PM

The Radio


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: johncharles
Date: 06 Jan 13 - 12:20 PM

At least the radio is reliable unlike the new Mike Harding folk show webcast thing which is not working again.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Harry Basnett
Date: 06 Jan 13 - 12:25 PM

With all due respect to Mr. Dow I rather feel that Mark Radcliffe presenting the programme by imagining he is addressing a small room of folk enthusiasts will rapidly become the reality of addressing a small room of folk enthusiasts.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 06 Jan 13 - 12:49 PM

Yes I can take that on board, however I was really referring to an intimate style of presentation. It does not mean the other way is wrong or inferior, but I just like an inclusive style of presentation rather than here I am style. However I think you've got a point that the more streetwise style has a proven record of commercial success.
By the way if we could keep the discussion on this level without turning it into a slanging match it would be much more pleasant reading, and I'm calling a truce!


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Harry Basnett
Date: 06 Jan 13 - 01:00 PM

I quite agree, Nick...a slanging match wasn't what I intended when I started this thread. For anyone not aware, Nick has been involved in the folk scene as a performer and recording artist for many years and currently presents a blues programme on Radio Lancashire...and I am not inferring this makes his views any more valid than views expressed by anybody else.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 13 - 02:02 PM

I agree as well but your comment of 12:09PM was one of the funniest come-backs I have ever seen, Nick. Many thanks for that :-)

Ever been back to Swinton BTW? Pete Ryder now does a one Friday a month concert type night at the White Lion. May be worthwhile you getting in touch? Not sure what (if anything!) he pays but it is much more contemporary and jazz/blues based than the Monday club.

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Harry Basnett
Date: 06 Jan 13 - 03:50 PM

Dave the Gnome....Open Door Folk Club or a Fylde singaround or both about 10 years back...


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 13 - 04:00 PM

Ahhh - Thanks Harry. Could be either.

D.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 06 Jan 13 - 04:49 PM

Well, was working today, (computer stuff) and listened to Marks show and Mikes show (and Colums show)and enjoyed em all. So now an extra prog to listen to in trhe week. Great.
Al


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: JHW
Date: 07 Jan 13 - 05:06 PM

Thanks to above cats for show time and player link.
I wouldn't like the job. Impossible to please everyone. Statistically,given how many folk turns are out there today and once were, any show he can only please some of the people some of the time. I'll certainly give it another go.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Harry Basnett
Date: 07 Jan 13 - 06:05 PM

Looking forward to Wednesday's show....I think this thread might continue....


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Don Gato
Date: 08 Jan 13 - 02:41 PM

You know, you folkies really ought to think yourselves lucky. Many moons ago poor Nigel Odgen had his uniquely-biased yet totally-eclectic radio show slashed to a paltry 30 minutes, and so it remains to this day. That was one show you really could immerse into for an hour of cathartic bliss - indeed, it was on TOE that I heard the most amazing version of Les Baxter's iconic Quiet Village whilst driving south over Carter Bar one moonlit evening. Contacted the producer the next day only to be told it was a private recording sent in by a listener! Bliss! At 30 minutes it hardly seems worth it.

And what about Sing Something Simple? Soon as Cliff Adams popped off to school the heavenly choir that was it - gone for good despite a 40 year archive to draw upon (okay, okay I'm an optimist - but in my dreams the BBC actually cherishes this stuff). The last show I heard they were singing You Can't Always Get What You Want - coincidently, that was the last song I heard Peter Bellamy sing live too.

DG (siempre y cuando sea con dignidad)


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: Mavis Enderby
Date: 08 Jan 13 - 03:39 PM

Coincidence - Mark Radcliffe used to be a producer on The Organist Entertains!


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: fat B****rd
Date: 08 Jan 13 - 03:59 PM

He's also written a biography of Eliza Carthy !!


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Harry Basnett
Date: 08 Jan 13 - 04:19 PM

I think Mark just wrote the foreward for the book 'Wayward Daughter'...


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 09 Jan 13 - 01:19 PM

Mainstream Radio are pushing the show like mad. Up to two verbal trails per show. All good news in my book. Best of luck to Mark tonight.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Harry Basnett
Date: 09 Jan 13 - 01:43 PM

Quite agree, Nick....Chris Evans played Bellowhead this morning...incidentally it was on your Lancashire Drift programme when my wife and I first heard Spiers and Boden...must have been about 2001.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Harry Basnett
Date: 09 Jan 13 - 03:04 PM

...or 2002....anyway - great show tonight! Show of Hands, Pete Coe and loved the Gerry Rafferty track to finis off.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,geoffwoolfe
Date: 09 Jan 13 - 03:16 PM

I suspect the music content of the show - as opposed to loud chat and trailers and sundry waffle is less then we had with Mike Harding.
Perhaps when MR calms down a bit I might listen again.
But thanks for the Pete Coe....
Sorry George F - not sure MR is right for the Volunteer!


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Harry Basnett
Date: 09 Jan 13 - 03:42 PM

Because it's a live show you will get trailers for other programmes...that's the nature of the beast....don't expect Mark's style to change too much - - as I said, it's a live show, he's working to a schedule and there are certain obligations he has to fulfil..i.e. advertising other programmes. Yes, the hour went by very quickly but there waqs a lot packed into it and the guest artists have to be given a reasonable time slot. Stick with it, Geoff..you may get to enjoy the new format.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,JHW(cookie on old computer)
Date: 09 Jan 13 - 05:25 PM

I listened live tonight and found much to my liking, lovely fiddle and flute (name disappeared already)good songs from Karine Polwart, that King of the Birds was it has a memory of another melody but I couldn't pin it down. Looks like a studio guest will be a regular feature and his patter with the guest was sound.
I didn't like Angels Without Wings at all which was where I came in but glad I persevered and I chanced not to be near the radio to turn it off after the show and so overheard the first tracks of what follows. An insight into what a Folk Music programme has to compete with on radio 2.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Dave D
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 11:46 AM

Well, I thought the show was rather wonderful frankly. A real breath of uncliched fresh air after the reign of Mike. Loved the conversational style and the session performances. Okay, I am a big Polwart fan anyway and especially appreciated the anti-Trump song. But really good selection of other tracks too I thought. And the promise of good sessions to come. Looks set to become essential listening.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 01:57 PM

Despite earlier misgivings MR is giving the music a mainstream platform that I for one was not expecting. A couple of songs from
Karine's session was repeated on Jeremy Vine and surprisingly Steve Wright. Anyone would think I listened to the radio all day (and they'd be right)
I agree with Geoff I would also like MR to calm down a bit, but over all it bodes well for the future. Carthy on desert island discs as well! We used to dream about this amount of mainstream interest years ago. I had a huge compliment from Jim Moray when he recorded a Traditional song he learned from me, and I might add made a much better job of it, so despite Karine's excellent session I've got to cheer for him in the forthcoming awards! All exciting stuff for the music we love.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 02:18 PM

It was repeated all day then, Nick - Chris Evens and Simon Mayo also played songs from the session. Very nice to see. Not heard last nights yet but will do this week - Along with Mike's podcast.

You've never had it so good :-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,newbee
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 03:20 PM

I only listen in when my son plays all his folk stuff. I know nothing much of who or what just like listening. Every week for sometime I have listened to MH and found it fine although maybe narrowed by his station.
I thought MR was clearly staged and planned to wash all memory out. It will not be MR organizing it all surely it will be down to R2 to cover themselves and prove their decision to put in a middle ground popular DJ , so they are bound to dig in to their resources a bit to try and make an impact maybe- tried too hard to prove a point? they must feel insecure? Am sure MH also would have not passed up the live oportunites etc, if it had been on offer.
Personally I listen to the radio a lot and it gets a bit monotonous if the same voice and style begins to colour everything the same. I would prefer variation and am happy to listen to either but I did think MH seemed to have more heart felt passion for his subject which came through and not so much of the pop stuff.
Anyway done now so that's that. Don't mind MR.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,JHW(cookie on old computer)
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 06:08 PM

PS me above
The hint of melody I was getting in the Karine Polwart song could be from one of Anna Shannon's songs


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: Leadfingers
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 07:13 PM

When I first started ACTUAL broadcasting (Aden Forces Broadcasting Association), rather than InStation piped stuff ( Bawdsey Forces Network) I was told a GOOD announcer knows what he is going to say and HAS to be fully coherent . On that basis Mark Radcliffe is at best CRAP ! The Music content is OK , but Mister Radcliffe is NOT a good presenter .


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Harry Basnett
Date: 11 Jan 13 - 01:05 PM

There are one hell of a lot of 6Music listeners who'd disagree with you!


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Harry Basnett
Date: 12 Jan 13 - 05:43 AM

Bellowhead's 'Roll the Woodpile Down' heads Radio 2's 'A' playlist for next week....


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Jan 13 - 07:37 AM

Another good reason not to listen to the anodyne Radio 2.
You know on TV you get +1 channels, where you get a repeat of preious stuff, but one hour later?
Well Radio 2 is like Radio 1 +10 (years that is)


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Harry Basnett
Date: 13 Jan 13 - 05:11 AM

My, my....there are a lot of bitter people on here....bless..


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Jan 13 - 06:06 AM

I have to admit that the show's content is fine, good even, although Radcliffe's stumbling delivery - errrrmm, errrr-ummmmm, errrrrmmmmm - is frustrating and irritating in the extreme. Surely an outfit like the BBC have facilities to give training to presenters - why don't they put him on a 'How to talk proper' seminar FFS?

Good to see British folk music appearing on other shows too, but I fear that this is just a show of support and solidarity for Radcliffe's new venture from his colleagues, and probably won't last long. Hope I'm wrong on that.


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Subject: RE: Review: Radio 2 Folk Show
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 13 Jan 13 - 06:38 AM

Marks talking style is a bit like a gattling gun.

The programme still needs to get into the places where folk is actually happening - less concentrating on the few proffessionals whom most of us know anyway.
FloraG


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