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Songs for young woman - old man duo

Richard Bridge 14 Jan 13 - 10:57 AM
Owen Woodson 14 Jan 13 - 11:05 AM
Richard Bridge 14 Jan 13 - 12:43 PM
Richard Bridge 14 Jan 13 - 12:47 PM
Jack Campin 14 Jan 13 - 12:55 PM
GUEST,CS 14 Jan 13 - 01:27 PM
GUEST,CS 14 Jan 13 - 01:38 PM
GUEST,John Foxen 14 Jan 13 - 01:42 PM
Richard Bridge 14 Jan 13 - 01:51 PM
GUEST,John Foxen 14 Jan 13 - 02:15 PM
GUEST, Paul Slade 14 Jan 13 - 02:58 PM
Gurney 14 Jan 13 - 03:09 PM
selby 14 Jan 13 - 04:06 PM
GUEST,SirCoughsalot 14 Jan 13 - 04:11 PM
Sanjay Sircar 14 Jan 13 - 04:34 PM
Paul Davenport 14 Jan 13 - 05:20 PM
Richard Bridge 14 Jan 13 - 06:23 PM
Bert 14 Jan 13 - 06:54 PM
Gurney 14 Jan 13 - 06:57 PM
Gurney 14 Jan 13 - 07:02 PM
Sanjay Sircar 14 Jan 13 - 09:35 PM
Richard Bridge 14 Jan 13 - 10:18 PM
Sanjay Sircar 14 Jan 13 - 11:09 PM
Long Firm Freddie 15 Jan 13 - 06:18 AM
GUEST,John Foxen 15 Jan 13 - 11:50 AM
Richard Bridge 15 Jan 13 - 06:30 PM
GUEST,Seonaid 15 Jan 13 - 06:45 PM
Nicholas Waller 15 Jan 13 - 07:21 PM
Mysha 16 Jan 13 - 12:18 AM
beeliner 16 Jan 13 - 01:05 AM
GUEST,Rachel. 16 Jan 13 - 04:58 AM
Jim Carroll 16 Jan 13 - 06:01 AM
Richard Bridge 16 Jan 13 - 06:22 AM
RoyH (Burl) 16 Jan 13 - 07:40 AM
Jim Carroll 16 Jan 13 - 08:06 AM
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Subject: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 10:57 AM

Just flying a kite here - songs that might be amusing for a younger woman and older man to sing together.
Obvious ones like

The Old Man from over the Sea
MAIDS WHEN YOU'RE YOUNG NEVER WED AN OLD MAN

Broken relationship songs - eg

Marrowbones [see THE OLD WOMAN FROM WEXFORD]

Modern abusive relationship songs

(we are DEFINITELY going to do the Civil Wars' Poison & Wine - it's the song that started the whole train of thought)

Gaggingly twee ones - we might do "Ginny come lately". Maybe the Sinatras' "Something Stupid" (probably harder than it sounds)

What we need are some suggestions where the girl is the patsy

Young Girl
Don't stand so close to me
Go away little girl
Maybe "Wake up little Suzie"

Or nasty ones like

GOOD MORNING LITTLE SCHOOL GIRL

Over to the panel for discussion!

[Many song titles in this thread have been converted to links by a Mudelf.]


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 11:05 AM

How about The Old Man ROCKING THE CRADLE?


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 12:43 PM

I don't think I know that. Is it the same theme as "Rocking the Cradle" - off to check the DT.


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 12:47 PM

Yep, same song, different version - still the bloke is the fall guy. Something along the lines of the linnet in a gilded cage, forced to sing for its seed, would be nicely twisted.


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Jack Campin
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 12:55 PM

How about "O DEATH"? - it would work either way round, though in the original it's a young girl who is dying.


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 01:27 PM

Not quite to your brief of the older getting the better of the younger, but you could look at the broadside Cruel Lizzie Vickers (young housekeeper beats elderly employer to death) that Paul Slade has up on his Gallows Project site:

http://www.planetslade.com/broadside-ballads-cruel-lizzie-vickers.html


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 01:38 PM

How about New Order's 'Fine Time'? You don't even need to parody it:

"You know I've met a lot of cool chicks
But I've never met a girl with all her own teeth"

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/n/new+order/fine+time_20099928.html


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: GUEST,John Foxen
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 01:42 PM

Sid Kipper's Yes John Yes is a possibility.


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 01:51 PM

Oooh, that's a good idea. Are the worms out there? Kipper stuff is usually tied up very tightly with copyright and music publishers.


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: GUEST,John Foxen
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 02:15 PM

I presume copyright with Kipper issue would arise only if you started making megabucks out of his songs. I've chatted to him a couple of times and mentioned we sing some of his songs at clubs and he hasn't immediately handed me a bill.
You might have fewer copyright issues with Foxen's own
Drinking Beer
although it's more a man-woman song than an different ages song


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: GUEST, Paul Slade
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 02:58 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFq6eZBS1iM

YOU'RE THE REASON OUR KIDS ARE UGLY, by Loretta Lynn and Conway Twitty.


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Gurney
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 03:09 PM

'Falorum,' also called 'MAIDS WHEN YOU'RE YOUNG NEVER WED AN OLD MAN'
Falorum is sex drive, Dingdoorum is lady parts.


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: selby
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 04:06 PM

Personally, I think you could do MATTY GROVES quite well
Keith


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: GUEST,SirCoughsalot
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 04:11 PM

TOO OLD TO CUT THE MUSTARD


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Sanjay Sircar
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 04:34 PM

"Shoo fly, don't bother me"

"Now listen all ye maidens,
About to choose a man
Don't choose one who's ancient,
Get a young one if you can -

For an old man he is old
And an old man he is grey
But a young's man's harrt is full of love
GET AWAY, OLD MAN, GET AWAY!

Be sure to marry a young man
With a red and rosy cheek
Not to marry a man with a cabne in his han'
Whose back is very weak [snigger]

For an old man etc.

Shoo fly, don;t bother me (3)
Get away, old man, get away!"

There are lots of other stanzas, I think. This forum will know them all.

Sanjay Sircar


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 05:20 PM

Death and the Maiden, is a dialogue between and old man and a young woman - perfect …except maybe in the 'amusing' category.


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 06:23 PM

Brilliant reference, Paul, but the old man (me) would like to come out on top (pun intended - well, some of the time).

Sanjay - yes indeed - BUT that is propaganda for the young side, not me!

Mr Throat Ailment - I'll get you for that! I am NOT.

No, Paul, (a) she is very pretty and (b) kids are NOT going to happen. Wind-up merchant!

John - have you the worms to "Yes John" please?   

CS - Own teeth a bad issue. We have an argument going on about dentists!



SURELY there must be a folk song or even contemporary acoustic song in which the old man turns out to be covertly virile and lured the young girl on the promise of his dysfunctionality but the size of his wallet - and both turned out to be lies. It could be a Zvengali type thing, (or like the Engineer Song but a bit less crude please).


SURELY there are folk song in which the innocent young lady believing in the sacrament of souls finds to her horror that the skills of a roue (how do you do an acute accent on here) like James the First (or Henry VII - before he had syphilis) take her to a darker but more physical place which to her horror (or pleasure, either is good) she likes. Maybe something from Filk (vampires - ooh or midnight possessions - and all that shit).


Any resemblance of matters herein described to any real persons or events are purely coincidental and all liability is excluded (grin).


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Subject: Lyr Add: MID-LIFE CRISIS
From: Bert
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 06:54 PM

Here's one of mine that you can use.

Mid Life Crisis


I wanna have a mid life crisis
but if the truth be told

        You can't have a mid life crisis
        Darling You're too old

I wanna drive a bright red sports car
with a pretty young blond for a date
I wanna have a mid life crisis

        You've left it a bit too late
        You coulda had a crisis at Forty
        or even at Fifty Five
        If you'd wanted a mid life crisis
        You should have done it while you're still alive

I want a pick up truck with monster wheels
I want to be stacked up with sex appeal
I want tatoos on my arms and chest
A Harley and a black leather vest
I want to let my hair grow long
I want to get to Nashville with this song
I want a Cowboy hat and belt and boots
I want a hand tailored white silk suit

I wanna have a mid life crisis
but if the truth be told

        You can't have a mid life crisis
        Darling You're too old

I wanna drive a bright red sports car
with a pretty young blond for a date
I wanna have a mid life crisis

        You've left it a bit too late
        You coulda had a crisis at Forty
        or even at Fifty Five
        If you'd wanted a mid life crisis
        You should have done it while you're still alive

I wanna drive a bright red sports car
with a pretty young blond for a date

        Spoken:
        Enough about the blond,
        get your saggy butt off of that couch
        and take out the garbage.

Spoken:

Ok. Ok. But how about a sports car?
What do you think about an Aston Martin?


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Gurney
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 06:57 PM

Flanders and Swann's 'MADEIRA, M'DEAR.'
Old roue lures innocent into his lair.

Not too bad a fit. The old man must be bearded, though, and it isn't normally a duet. Could work, though.


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Gurney
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 07:02 PM

That title might be 'Madeira, M'dear?'


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Subject: Lyr Add: IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO FALL IN LOVE
From: Sanjay Sircar
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 09:35 PM

1, Isn't it "Have some Madeira, m'dear!"?

2. I like a challenge:

... there's one thing I still do very well...
...Although my hair is turning grey,
I still believe it when I say....

[She:]: Well, what do you say?

[He:] It's never too late to have a fling
For autumn is just as nice as spring
And it's never too late to fall in love.

It's never too late to whisper words
Concerning the ways of bees and birds
And its...

If they say I'm too old for you
Then you just tell them, "Why sir,
One never drinks the wine that's new
The old wine tastes much nicer!"

It's never too late to flirt and spoon
A fiddle that's old is more in tune
And it's...

It's never too late to bill and coo
At any age one and one make two,
And it's...

The modern artists of today
May get the picture faster,
But when it comes to _skill_, I say,
You can't beat an old master!

It's never too late to wink an eye
I'll do it until the day I die
And it's never...

It's never too late to flirt and spopn
December is quite as nice as June
And it's...

Whack-a-doo! (3) and Vo-de-o! (3) at various points in the chorus, done by the girl.

---- Sandy Wilson, _The Boy Friend_

It's not folk, and it'll have to *made* into a duet, but is that the sort of thing you are looking for? You didn't say to start with that the man had to "win"... All the UK listers here will have the right words in the right order and the music for this...

Sanjay Sircar


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 10:18 PM

Thank you - liking those.

Bert, is there a recording of a performance of yours?

Sanjay - that is rather fun - I almost think I may have heard it somewhere - again, can you point me at a recording?

I should have been, perhaps, more express that it did not have to be folk - but I did say we were definitely going to do Poison & Wine which id definitely not folk!


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Sanjay Sircar
Date: 14 Jan 13 - 11:09 PM

@Bert: Please, I too would like words/music/record too. (Do you have it in 78 rpm form? They make these for individuals in little booths, or did when last I went out.)

@Richard Bridge:
(a) won't sentimentality - enduring love regardless of years passing - do quite as well? e.g. "When you were sweet sixteen" could be adapted and divided up between male and female to work quite well...

(b) there was in the 1950s a record with a red cover of "The Boy Friend" and Messrs Samuel French publish the score, still: that I do know. For more than that, I would say ask Mr Jim Dixon of this forum, who has solved two such problems/questions for me in minutes over the last two days, but may not be looking at this thread. That song and dance were my one and only Highland Fling, my sole triumph on the boards in the 1980s, and used to bring the house down, so I can recommend it as a show-stopper.

Sanjay Sircar


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Subject: Lyr Add: JUST LIKE THE IVY (Mills/Castling)
From: Long Firm Freddie
Date: 15 Jan 13 - 06:18 AM

Just Like the Ivy is a sentimental song about an old man worrying about his grand-daughter abandoning him for a young lover.

With the help of a blonde wig, no doubt the roles could be reversed with, as they say, hilarious results!

There's an MP3 piano accompaniment available for 99p at your accompanist.com, but the YouTube versions seem just to have the chorus and are sung very slowly.

JUST LIKE THE IVY

Granddad sat at evenfall
'Neath the dear old garden wall
Where the ivy was clinging all around
And a maiden young and fair
With blue eyes and golden hair
Was nestling there beside him on the ground
"Some day you'll be leaving me
For a sweetheart," the old man sighed
"Some day be forgetting me"
But with a smile the maid replied

Chorus: 'Just watch the ivy on that old garden wall
Clinging so tightly, what e'er may befall
As you grow older I'll be constant and true
And just like the ivy, I'll cling to you.'

"When the ivy, years ago,"
Said the maiden, "Began to grow
Then that wall supported it with pride
Now the old wall's in decay
And is crumbling fast away
The ivy clings more tightly to it's side
Loving you have ever been
You have cared for me day by day
Loving I shall ever be
And always by your side I'll stay"

Chorus:

Written and composed by A.J. Mills & Harry Castling
Performed by Marie Kendall (1873-1964)

LFF


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Subject: Lyr Add: YES, SIR, YES (Sid Kipper)
From: GUEST,John Foxen
Date: 15 Jan 13 - 11:50 AM

Richard: Here is Mr Kipper's YES, SIR, YES as Foxen perform it. And if you manage to drag yourself over to Haverfolk as you have been threatening to do for months you can hear us perform it.
In the meantime...

[Him:] On yonder hill, there stands a creature.
Who she is I do not know.
I'll go court her for her beauty [booty].
She must answer yes or no.
[Her:] Oh! Yes, John, yes, John, yes, John, yes!

[Him:] Madam, in your face is beauty [booty].
On your bosom roses grow.
Will you let me come and pluck them?
Surely she will answer no.
[Her:] Oh! Yes, John, yes, John, yes, John, yes!

[Him:] (spoken) That's not the answer I was expecting.
[Her:] (spoken): Let me explain.

My husband is a Spanish waiter.
His English isn't very good,
So he told me when he left me:
"Always yes you answer should." [Spanish accent]
O! Si, Juan, si, Juan, siempre si.
[Him:] ¿Que?
[Her:] Oh! Yes, John, yes, John, always yes!

[Him:] Madam, I don't take your meaning.
Pray forgive me if I'm slow.
Do you mean that you mean yes or
Do you mean yes you mean no?
[Her:] Oh! Yes, John, yes, John, I mean yes!

[Him:] Now madam, you must mind your manners
If you want to hug and squeeze.
That's no good just saying, "Yes."
You have to learn to say "Yes, please."
[Her:] Oh! Yes, John, yes, John, yes, please, John!

[Him:] But madam, I have got a headache.
How that hurts I cannot say.
Would it matter if I went?
[Her:] Oh! Yes, John, yes, John, yes, it would.
[Both:] So we lay all night together
Till the crows had cocked twice o'er.
[Her:] Then I turned again towards him.
[Him:] Surely she cannot want more?
[Her:] Oh yes, John, yes, John, yes, I can.

[Him:] Madam, there is one more question,
If you do not think it rude:
Did you ever sleep more sweeter?
Was you ever better served?
[Her:] Oh! Yes, John, yes, John, a thousand times, yes.


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jan 13 - 06:30 PM

Very good - Sugden was a genius, but I don't REALLY want to be admitting that I was only bettered as a lover by thousands or more!

Dammit, it looks as if I'm going to have to write a fakesong like Bert!



Flash of inspiration - there is a traditional song - sort of finishes with the song of the birds in the trees and the song that they sang was "She's Easy to Please" - or does that come out of the middle of the Bonny Black Hare?


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: GUEST,Seonaid
Date: 15 Jan 13 - 06:45 PM

"FIVE NIGHTS DRUNK" doesn't specify ages, but describes a possible outcome when young girls marry old men (especially those who drink)!
In fact, any of the husband-wife dialogue songs can work for a May-December duo, e.g., "THERE'S A HOLE IN THE BUCKET."
Or how about a trio? One Scots song for a young woman + an older man + a younger man is "COME UNDER MY PLAIDIE." Has a lot of range, but with competent singers it can be fun. And the old guy gets the girl!


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Nicholas Waller
Date: 15 Jan 13 - 07:21 PM

There are several versions of The Boyfriend soundtrack on amazon, for instance, with the IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO FALL IN LOVE track.

It's also on Spotify.


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Mysha
Date: 16 Jan 13 - 12:18 AM

Hi,

If we're talking about "Don't stand so close to me" from The Police, I wouldn't say the girl is a patsy, exactly. It would appear to be the teacher who's begging the title. (Also, it's rather specific about "This girl" being "half his age".)

Hm, well not about age difference, but still: How about "BABY IT'S COLD OUTSIDE", with the old man singing the wolf part, and the young woman the mouse part?

Bye,
Mysha


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: beeliner
Date: 16 Jan 13 - 01:05 AM

From the Harry Smith Anthology: "Le Vieux Soulard et Sa Femme" ("The Old Drunkard and His Wife"), sung by Joe Falcon and Cleoma Breaux.


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: GUEST,Rachel.
Date: 16 Jan 13 - 04:58 AM

THat, Richard, was definitely the Bonny Black Hare...                  

' I felt her heart quiver and I knew what I'd done
Says I, have you had enough of my old sporting gun?'


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Subject: Lyr Add: WAD YE DO THAT (Robert Burns)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jan 13 - 06:01 AM

Always assumed this is a young man talking to a young wife about an old husband - could be wishful thinking!
Jim Carroll

WAD YE DO THAT?
From Burns' Merry Muses of Caledonia

Gudewife, when your gudeman's frae hame
Might I but be sae bauld,
As come to your bed-chamber,
When winter nights are cauld;
As come to your bed-chamber,
When nights are cauld and wat
And lie in your gudeman's stead.
Wad ye do that?

Young man, an ye should be so kind.
When our gudeman's frae hame,
As come to my bed-chamber,
Where I am laid my lane;
And lie in our gudeman's stead_
I will tell you what,
He f-s me five times ilka night,
Wad ye do that?


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Jan 13 - 06:22 AM

Jim, that is fucking brilliant! Is there a traditional tune or are there any recordings of it with any tunes at all?


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 16 Jan 13 - 07:40 AM

This has set me thinking of a song I heard ages ago, a male-female duet in which the girl asks the old man a series of questions and gets brief, cynical answers. It opens up with

'Where are you going MY GOOD OLD MAN?
Where are you going, my honey, my lamb?

That's all I can remember, but I think that it's an American song.


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jan 13 - 08:06 AM

"that is fucking brilliant!"
Agree absolutely; along with the unbowdlerised JOHN ANDERSON MY JO, probably the most beautiful bawdy song in the repertoire.
'Muses' gives John Anderson as the tune - both songs are to be found on the extremely rare MacColl 'Merry Muses of Caledonia' album issued by 'Dionysus Records' in the 60s, a company set up by Ken Goldstein exclusively to deal with such 'sensitive' material - "only to be sold to serious students"
If you have any trouble, pm me
Jim Carroll


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Subject: Lyr Add: BLUE BLEEZING BLIND DRUNK
From: GUEST,S.T.M
Date: 16 Jan 13 - 01:36 PM

RoyH, I think the song you're thinking of is Seventeen Come Sunday...

As I walked out one May morning
One May morning so early
I overtook a handsome maid
Just as the sun was rising
With my rue dum day
Fol the diddle dol
Fol the dol th diddle dum the day

Her shoes were bright
Her stockings white
Her buckles shone like silver
She had a black and roving eye
And her hair hung down her shoulder
With my rue dum day
Fol the diddle dol
Fol the dol th diddle dum the day

How old are you? My fair pretty maid
How old are you my honey
She answered me right cheerfully
I'm seventeen come Sunday
With my rue dum day
Fol the diddle dol
Fol the dol th diddle dum the day

I went down to her mammy's house
The moon was shining clearly
I sang beneath her window pane
Your soldier loves you dearly
With my rue dum day
Fol the diddle dol
Fol the dol th diddle dum the day

Oh solider won't you marry me?
For now's your time or never
For if you do not marry me
My heart is broke forever
With my rue dum day
Fol the diddle dol
Fol the dol th diddle dum the day

And now she is the soldier's wife
And sails across the brine-o
The drum and fife is her delight
And a merry man in mine, Oh
With my rue dum day
Fol the diddle dol
Fol the dol th diddle dum the day


There's also Blue Bleezing Blind Drunk...


I'll go and I'll get blue bleezing blind drunk
Just to give Mickey a warning
And just for to spite I will stay out all night
And come rolling home drunk in the morning

Now friends, I have a sad story
A very sad story to tell
I married a man for his money
And he's worse than the devil himself

For when Mickey comes home in the evening
He batters me all black and blue
He knocks me about from the kitchen
From the bedroom right through to the room

For of whiskey I ne'er was a lover
But what can a poor woman do
I'll go and I'll drown all my sorrows
But I wish I could drown Mickey too


My Husband's Got No Courage In Him...

As I walked out one May morning
To view the fields and the leaves a-springing
I saw two maidens standing by
And one of them her hands was wringing

Chorus (after each verse):
O dear o, o dear o
My husband's got no courage in him
O dear o
All sort of vittles I did provide
All sorts of meats that's fitting for him
With oyster pie and rhubarb too
But nothing will put courage in him

My husband can dance and caper and sing
And do anything that is fitting for him
But he cannot do the thing I want
Because he has no courage in him

My husband's admired wherever he goes
And everyone looks well upon him
With his handsome features and well-shaped leg
But still he's got no courage in him

Every night when I goes to bed
I lie and throw my leg right o'er him
And my hand I clap between his thighs
But I can't put any courage in him

Seven long years I've made his bed
And every night I've lain beside him
And this morning I rose with my maidenhead
For still he's got no courage in him

I wish my husband he was dead
And in the/his grave I'd quickly lay him
And then I'd try another one
That's got a little courage in him






***








I was kind of confused from your above comments what kind of song you want...

Songs where the older man has the upper hand or is shown in a good light?

Where there are no children/relationships involved?

But the older man shouldn't be a variant of death?


Haha, sorry, can you clear it up for me?


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Subject: Lyr Add: REYNARDINE
From: GUEST,S.T.M
Date: 16 Jan 13 - 01:51 PM

Also, Reynardine...

One evening as I rambled among the springing thyme
I overheard a young woman conversing with Reynardine.

Her hair was black, her eyes were blue and her mouth was red as wine.
And he smiled as he looked upon them, did this sly bold Reynardine.

She said, "Young man, be civil and me company forsake.
For to me good opinion I fear you are a rake."

He said, "Me dear, I am no rake brought up in Venus' train.
But I'm searching for concealment all from the judge's men."

Her cherry cheek and ruby lip, they lost their former dye.
And she fell into his arms there all on the mountain high.

They hadn't kissed but once or twice till she come to again.
And modestly she asked him pray tell to me your name.

He says, "If by chance you look for me, by chance you'll not me find.
But I'll be in my castle, enquire for Reynardine."

Day and night she followed him, his teeth so bright did shine.
And he led her over the mountain, did this sly bold Reynardine.


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Gurney
Date: 16 Jan 13 - 02:07 PM

Bob Davenport sings a Geordie version of the song that RoyH suggests.
The young wife is trying to wheedle the old husband around, but he is bitter, probably because she has done something unforgivable.
He only gets about 6 words at the end of each verse, usually ending:
"....., you bitch!"

Only verse that I can remember.

"Chammily will poison you, my old man!
Chammily will poison you, come cuddle me, my lamb!
Chammily will poison you, my old man!
Thou art the best old man that's alive!
Thou art the best old man that's alive, that's alive, that's alive!"
"Then I'll die, you bitch!"

(Chammily. = Bleach made from fermented urine.)
Can't remember the title.


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Gurney
Date: 16 Jan 13 - 05:19 PM

Also, she may not be THAT young. About 50 years since I heard it.


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 16 Jan 13 - 05:27 PM

Hi Gurney, Yes, that sounds like an English version of the one I'm thinking of. Can any US Catters shed any light on it?


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: GUEST,Gealt
Date: 16 Jan 13 - 05:41 PM

A COUPLE MORE YEARS-Ronnie Drew/Eleanor Shanley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsQyN7deuBw


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Jan 13 - 06:14 PM

Yes, cogent questions. There are many many songs in which the old man is incapable or deceived.

If we get a set sorted, we'd probably start with a couple of those. We might then swing into a modern lovey-dovey - then go to the horrifying "Poison and Wine" - it sounds so sweet that it takes you the third listen to realise it's about physical abuse followeed by sex - "Your hands can bruise, your hands can heal"

Then I wanted to go to my vindication, that's what is hard to find. There are some nice race music (Slow Hand)and blues songs (Roll me slow) but there is some guitar part learning to transpose those off piano.

Good suggestions of all kinds gratefully received, but particularly songs in which the old man turns out to be the devil with a large battery!


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Janie
Date: 16 Jan 13 - 07:47 PM

I have no songs to suggest, but I definitely wanna see the video!


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 03:13 AM

This topic touches on the subject of another recent thread - non-PC songs.
Back in the late 80s there was a move by some feminists to expunge so-called 'anti-women' songs from the repertoire; I saw on several occasions, singers shouted off the platform when they sang songs like 'THE LARK IN THE MORNING', 'THE GENTLEMAN SOLDIER', 'THE DOCKYARD GATE' etc.: the 'love 'em and leave 'em' or 'aren't women fickle and conniving' genres. This led to the disappearance of many songs from the club repertoires, certainly in some of the ones I frequented.
As a strong supporter of feminism I can see the sentiment behind this, (nobody wants to sit quietly while their gender is being slagged off) but as a lover of folk song (and much of the literature and theatre which is based on similar themes) I find this reactionary and destructive and have always wondered if there was not a better way to handle it.
Wonder if anybody had any similar experiences
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: GUEST,henrytp
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 03:20 AM

One morning, one morning, one morning in May
I heard a married man to a young girl say
Dress you up pretty Katy and come go with me
Across the Blue Mountains to the Allegheny


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE OLD MAN AND HIS WIFE + CAPABLE WIFE
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 04:51 AM

The Old Man and His Wife

The Old Man and His Wife

There was an old man in the wood, as you shall plainly see sir,
He vowed he'd do more work in a day than his wife would do in three sir,
"If that be so," the old wife said, "and this you will allow sir
While I go drive the plough today and you shall milk the cow sir."

"But you must watch the speckled hen less she should lay away sir
And you must watch that spool of yarn that I spun yesterday sir."
The old wife took the stick in hand and went to drive the plough sir,
The old man took the pail in hand and went to milk the cow sir.

But Tiny winced and fussed about and Tiny flipped her tail sir
And Tiny gave the man a kick that milk ran from the pail sir.
"Oh Tiny pretty Tiny dear, my pretty cow stand still, ah
If I milk you another day it's sore against my will, ah."

He went to feed the sow and pigs, which were within the sty sir,
He knocked his head agin the durn which made the blood to fly sir.
He went to watch the speckled hen less she should lay away sir,
He clean forgot the spool of yarn his wife spun yesterday sir.

He went within to get a stick, to give the pig her hire sir,
The pig ran in between his legs and tipped him in the mire sir.
And as he looked at cow and pig, he said, "I do agree sir,
If my wife never works again, she'll not be blamed by me sir."

or The Capable Wife

There was an old man who lived in the wood
As you will plainly see;
He thought he could do more work in a day
Than his wife could do in three.

"With all my heart," the old dame said,
"If you will me allow:
You shall stay at home today
And I will hold the plough."

"And mind you milk the tiny cow
Lest she should go dry,
And mind you feed the little pigs
That are within the sty."

"And mind you watch the speckled hen
Lest she should stray away,
And don't forget the spool of yarn
That I spin every day."

The old wife took her stick in her hand
And went to hold the plough;
The old man took the pail in his hand
And he went to milk the cow.

But Tiny she flinched and Tiny she squinched,
And Tiny she cocked up her nose.
And Tiny she gave him a kick in the shin
Till the blood ran down his toes.

And then he went to feed the pigs
That were within the sty
He knocked his head against the shed
And it made the blood to fly.

And then he watched the speckled hen
Lest she should stray away,
But he quite forgot the spool of yarn,
That his wife spun every day.

And when his wife came home that night
He said he could plainly see
She could do more work in a day
Than he could do in three.


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Subject: Lyr Add: MAIDEN AND WEATHERCOCK (H W Longfellow
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 05:06 AM

Maiden and Weathercock (Henry Wadsworth Longfellow)
Bit twee. Evidently a piece for piano and voice. I am still looking for tune.


MAIDEN.
O WEATHERCOCK on the village spire,
With your golden feathers all on fire,
Tell me, what can you see from your perch
Above there over the tower of the church?

WEATHERCOCK.
I can see the roofs and the streets below,
And the people moving to and fro,
And beyond, without either roof or street,
The great salt sea, and the fishermen's fleet.

I can see a ship come sailing in
Beyond the headlands and harbor of Lynn,
And a young man standing on the deck,
With a silken kerchief round his neck.

Now he is pressing it to his lips,
And now he is kissing his finger-tips,
And now he is lifting and waving his hand,
And blowing the kisses toward the land.

MAIDEN.
Ah, that is the ship from over the sea,
That is bringing my lover back to me,
Bringing my lover so fond and true,
Who does not change with the wind like you.

WEATHERCOCK.
If I change with all the winds that blow,
It is only because they made me so,
And people would think it wondrous strange,
If I, a Weathercock, should not change.

O pretty Maiden, so fine and fair,
With your dreamy eyes and your golden hair,
When you and your lover meet to-day
You will thank me for looking some other way.


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Brian Peters
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 06:01 AM

The song Roy H is referring to is 'MY GOOD OLD MAN', which was sung by, amongst others, Jack Elliot of Birtley and Walter Pardon (collected by Jim Carroll himself!). It's Roud 240, appeared in Purslow's 'The Wanton Seed', and is in the Digitrad here.

It's also the very same song as the Cajun duet between Joe and Cleoma Falcon that beeliner referred to above, and which you can listen to here: 'Le vieux soulard et sa femme'.

Wonderful how those old songs got about, eh?


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 07:23 AM

Thanks for that Brian; in fact we only got couple of verses from Walter (he called it 'Best Old Wife in the World').
We were never sure if that was because that was all he knew or because of his reluctance to sings songs he didn't count as "folk" "What do you want those bloomin' old things for?".
Nice to have a full text.
I can't see 'Who Will We Have To The Wedding' (aka Mountaineer's Courtship) here
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 06:04 PM

RH-
"MY GOOD OLD MAN" has been widely recorded. Burl Ives, Richard Dyer-Bennett, Joan Baez (among others). Sharp collected it in 1918, considering it an "English Folk Song from the Southern Appalachians".

Another common American one dealing with a young woman and an old man(which I always thought had English antecedents, is "Old Shoes On and his Leggins"


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Leadfingers
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 07:10 PM

Lovely Idea ! All I need is the Young Lady to 'perform' with .


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 03:34 AM

Mr Google has led me eventually to a 40 second snatch of MacColl singing "Wad ye do that" - and a midi - and a downloadable MP3 for 69p of someone else singing it.


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Subject: Lyr Add: IN SPITE OF OURSELVES (John Prine)
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 19 Jan 13 - 05:08 AM

What about in your face bawdy country and western?

IN SPITE OF OURSELVES - John Prine

She don't like her eggs all runny
She thinks crossin' her legs is funny
She looks down her nose at money
She gets it on like the Easter Bunny
She's my baby I'm her honey
I'm never gonna let her go

He ain't got laid in a month of Sundays
I caught him once and he was sniffin' my undies
He ain't too sharp but he gets things done
Drinks his beer like it's oxygen
He's my baby
And I'm his honey
Never gonna let him go

In spite of ourselves
We'll end up a'sittin' on a rainbow
Against all odds
Honey, we're the big door prize
We're gonna spite our noses
Right off of our faces
There won't be nothin' but big old hearts
Dancin' in our eyes.

She thinks all my jokes are corny
Convict movies make her horny
She likes ketchup on her scrambled eggs
Swears like a sailor when shaves her legs
She takes a lickin'
And keeps on tickin'
I'm never gonna let her go.

He's got more balls than a big brass monkey
He's a wacked out werido and a lovebug junkie
Sly as a fox and crazy as a loon
Payday comes and he's howlin' at the moon
He's my baby I don't mean maybe
Never gonna let him go

In spite of ourselves
We'll end up a'sittin' on a rainbow
Against all odds
Honey, we're the big door prize
We're gonna spite our noses
Right off of our faces
There won't be nothin' but big old hearts
Dancin' in our eyes.
There won't be nothin' but big old hearts
Dancin' in our eyes.

(spoken) In spite of ourselves


It is on Youtube performed by Iris Dement and John Prine


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: GUEST,S.T.M
Date: 19 Jan 13 - 09:06 AM

Richard, can I ask if I know the young woman? May help if I know what her voice is like! (I do live in the area, you used to come to some Maidstone singarounds I believe!)


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Jan 13 - 01:24 PM

Who are you STM? I have deliberately not named the young lady yet. She has a fairly powerful voice, rock tinged rather than pretty-pretty or down the nose folk (my tendency), with both lower and upper registers available.   You will not have seen her at Maidstone sings, she is from north of Dartford.


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: GUEST,S.T.M
Date: 19 Jan 13 - 02:24 PM

I'm Sinéad. (Tess McQuillan, hence the TM...)20, dark hair, slim... Used to have gingerish red hair...

I used to travel all over Kent for singarounds, including some in Dartford, Sussex and Essex. Petrol money costs too much now though!

Anyway, June Tabor may be a good start for source material...

I think your interpretation of Poison and Wine is unique. I quite like it, although I prefer to interpret it differently.


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Jan 13 - 12:05 AM

We are looking a present for the earlier versions of "In love with a man nearly twice my age", but are mostly only finding the Shabba Ranks version. We think the song may date from the 20s or 30s. We are also toying with the idea of folkifying the Hot Chocolate hit "I believe in miracles".


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Subject: RE: Songs for young woman - old man duo
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 06:41 AM

Refresh.

And will 'catters please note if meeting us out that the preferred method address does not start "Oh is this one of your young ladies" and proceed to "I mean one of your daughters"? I can grin conceitedly at the latter - but it rings strangely after the former. What do such people think I might be doing with my daughters?

"Oh, it this the young lady in your duo" will do nicely thank you!


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