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Folklore: Mister Fox creation myth

GUEST,digitig 20 Jan 13 - 04:45 PM
Nigel Parsons 21 Jan 13 - 04:25 AM
GUEST,Paddy McBollox 21 Jan 13 - 04:49 AM
GUEST,Mike 21 Jan 13 - 04:54 AM
GUEST 21 Jan 13 - 04:57 AM
SteveMansfield 21 Jan 13 - 05:23 AM
GUEST,digitig 26 Jan 13 - 05:03 PM
John Routledge 27 Jan 13 - 08:22 AM
Jim Carroll 28 Jan 13 - 08:54 AM
Snuffy 29 Jan 13 - 09:05 AM
GUEST,Paddy McBollox 29 Jan 13 - 09:59 AM
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Subject: Folklore: Mister Fox creation myth
From: GUEST,digitig
Date: 20 Jan 13 - 04:45 PM

At the end of the documentary "The way of the Morris" the presenter read a story about Mister Fox dancing the world into existence. "In the beginning when the world was yet new...". Does anybody know where this came from?


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Mister Fox creation myth
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 04:25 AM

Typing the phrase in quotes ("In the beginning when the world was yet new") into Google gets 3 hits (plus Mudcat). Unfortunately the sites are 'blocked' from my works computer.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Mister Fox creation myth
From: GUEST,Paddy McBollox
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 04:49 AM

Tim Plester made it up.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Mister Fox creation myth
From: GUEST,Mike
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 04:54 AM

Mr Fox and it's 'history' is all fabricated I'm afraid, invented street theatre. That doesn't mean they're not good performers though.

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Subject: RE: Folklore: Mister Fox creation myth
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 04:57 AM

There is a song by lucy ward calles Mr Fox 4


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Mister Fox creation myth
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 05:23 AM

Mr Fox and it's 'history' is all fabricated I'm afraid, invented street theatre. That doesn't mean they're not good performers though.

The mysterious Sheffield-based performers are to be found at http://www.mr-fox.org.uk/, well worth seeing if you get the chance.

I don't think they're the whole story sought by the OP though ...


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Mister Fox creation myth
From: GUEST,digitig
Date: 26 Jan 13 - 05:03 PM

The Google hits on the quotes are all to a Middle Earth thing. It looks as if Tim Plester did a fine job. :)

Thanks, all.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Mister Fox creation myth
From: John Routledge
Date: 27 Jan 13 - 08:22 AM

Saw them at Whitby at 10 pm in the old town on east side of river. Very clever. Incredibly atmospheric performance!!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Mister Fox creation myth
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 08:54 AM

"Mr Fox and it's 'history' is all fabricated I'm afraid, invented street theatre."
Not entirely.
There is a large entry on foxes in Funk and Wagnall' Standard Dictionary of Folklore, mainly on shape-shifting and certainly international.
Nicely atmospheric take on the theme from John Pole in the late '60s

MR FOX by JOHN POLE

Outside Mr. Fox's garden
Three maids playing with a golden ball,
Jenny threw it up and Susan caught it
Mary bounced it over the wall.
The wall is high
Mr. Fox has a little red eye.

In she ran to fetch it back again,
The garden gate stood open wide
It was quickly closed and locked behind her,
Mr. Fox was just inside.
The wall is high,
His smile is cruel and his eyes are sly.

He said, I'll keep your ball, Miss Mary,
I shall have it and here you'll stay,
You'll keep my house and be my servant,
And never go out for a year and a day.
The wall is high
The long grass shivers and the tall trees sigh.

Spring and summer passed like shadows
She watched the green leaves fade and fall,
She walked alone in the empty garden
And Mr. Fox said - nothing at all.
The wall is high
Never a soul comes near nor by.

Three strange things he did forbid her,
Never you touch my iron box,
Never go near the thirteenth bedroom
Nor near the bed, said Mr. Fox.
The wall is high,
Don't you dare to ask me why.

Mary she rose up one morning
She saw an iron box on a shelf
But of all the rooms at Mr. Fox's
Bedrooms there were only twelve.
The wall is high,
Mary don't you peep or pry.

One day Mr. Fox went walking
In that box she found a key,
It fitted a door she'd never unfastened
And when she opened it, what did she see?
The wall is high
The door said STOP and the key said FLY!

In Mr. Fox's thirteenth bedroom
A naked sword hung on the wall
In a silver bowl on the bed's black counterpane,
Mary saw her golden ball.
The wall is high
The bed said COME and the sword said DIE

In she ran to get her ball again
To snatch it off the great black bed,
Out crept Mr. and leapt at her
His teeth flashed white and his eyes burnt red,
The wall is high……….        

Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Mister Fox creation myth
From: Snuffy
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 09:05 AM

That John Pole song is the one referred to above by GUEST 21 Jan 13 - 04:57 AM

I think Lucy got it from Karen Harris of GU4


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Mister Fox creation myth
From: GUEST,Paddy McBollox
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 09:59 AM

With regard to the OP's question, which is separate to Mr Fox the srtreet theatre company or any other Messrs Fox. Tim Plester said he made the story up at the launch of the Way Of The Morris at the Southbank Centre. He said all myths start somewhere.


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