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Subject: contemplator site is back up
From: open mike
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 11:16 AM

I see a discussion of this site from 10 years ago....there are Child Ballads, Sea Chanties, American Folk Songs and more..in midi form.
(i did not see a written tunes even though it calls itself a tunebook)
http://www.contemplator.com/

there is some mention on the home page that it is being hosted
by another person as Barry Taylor was not able to maintain it.


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 11:23 AM

There is Taylor's Traditional Tunebook (midis) created by Ed Taylor, and hosted AT contemplator.com, by Leslie, who runs that site.


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: open mike
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 11:28 AM

hmm...i did change the title to site is back up ... so no one would be confused to think i was talking about some back-up program....

who is Ed Taylor? and who is/was Barry Taylor?

Thanks to Leslie for keeping it available
(not there is no tech help associated with this site at this time)


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 12:13 PM

My mistake. I actually know an Ed Taylor, AKA "Uncle Banjo" who is a local musician, and got stuck on the familiar.

Barry Taylor arranged and sequenced the midis in his tunebook.
He also is responsible for The Great Canadian Tunebook, which includes lyrics and midis.

I should also point out that "Leslie" is actually "Lesley" Nelson, so I got that wrong too.
I was aware it disappeared some time ago, but I linked to it a short while ago when it came up on a search for a song someone was looking for. I never really made the connection that it had reappeared.


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: Barry T
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 10:36 PM

I'm surprised and flattered that a few of you still remember! It was 1997 when Lesley and I started our shared hobby of midi sequencing.

Back then I used a SoundBlaster16 and software called Midisoft Studio to produce what I often referred to as 'facsimile music'. At the time, folks overlooked the clankety-clank sound because so few people were sequencing folk and traditional music. Relative to nothing, it was outstanding! ;-)

I was please when powerful sound cards and large sound fonts eventually started to offer reasonable sound quality, based on electronic sound bites from real instruments. But that was only a temporary improvement, as most browser and motherboard manufacturers quickly stopped catering to midi as a playback format.

In recent years web sites offering midi files and autoplay javascript are now flagged as 'malware' by most browsers. On the plus side, YouTube has replaced our facsimile music with audio and video of the real thing.

All this means that Lesley and I have retired to midi haven to enjoy listening to the rest of you!   :-)


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 10:54 PM

Hi, Barry -

Good to hear you're still around. I haven't heard from Lesley in years, either. If by chance you are no longer able to maintain your tunebook, or Lesley can't maintain Contemplator, please contact Max or me. We'll make sure they continue - on his space or mine.

And Richie and Susanne (SKW) and others who have Websites with folk music research, the same applies to you.

-Joe Offer-
joe@mudcat.org


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 11:09 PM

Hi, Barry! I remember being thrilled with your site and have missed it and you. Good to know you are still around.

kat


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: Mr Happy
Date: 22 Jan 13 - 07:07 AM

I keep getting a warning from McAfee when I try to access Contemplator, saying its a dangerous site.

I've used it loads in the past but never had this before - anyone else?


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: GUEST,surreysinger sans cookie
Date: 22 Jan 13 - 10:29 AM

I experienced the same thing the other day, and also never had that problem before.


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 22 Jan 13 - 11:09 AM

I just downloaded a tune from the site, and there was no warning.

Thanks, open mike, for pointing out that this wonderful site is back up. I love it for its fine tunes, but even more so for its arrangements. If you want to play with friends or family and you want harmony and variety, the Contemplator is a great place to go.

I believe that every serious musician (meaning anybody who reads music and owns an instrument) should have MIDI software on their computer so they can take advantage of the wealth of music in MIDI form.


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: GUEST,pattyClink
Date: 22 Jan 13 - 10:57 PM

I'm always amazed with the Contemplator, wonderful site, and was able to get through despite heavy virus scanning on my pc, yay!


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 10:50 AM

Never had any problem linking to the wonderful Contemplator site since discovering it many years ago. Always enjoyed the very musical arrangements.


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 09:00 PM

I think the fact that Contemplator automatically plays a MIDI, may cause distress to some antivirus programs. I have found it annoying on occasion.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: JedMarum
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 10:05 AM

I have requested that MacAfee review their warning for this site, however I will not use it while they list the site as dangerous.

... and they DO claim it is a dangerous site. It possible that the site has been hacked and virus or similar maladies planted there among their midi and data files.

It is possible that using the site can load your PC with bad stuff, whether you know it or not. I suggest that you do NOT use the site, until you know for certain that it is NOT infected.

If your anti-virus software gives you a warning, please request a review of the site from your anti-virus to see if the warning is valid. The more people who request the review, the more likely the problem will be resolved.


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 10:34 AM

Thanks for the heads-up. But do you mean the Contemplator site or Mudcat site?


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: JedMarum
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 10:48 AM

Contemplator


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 10:50 AM

Thank you.


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: JedMarum
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 10:52 AM

I found the website's administrator's contact info and sen an email - but the email bounced back as a bad address. Here is what I said in the email - please help get word to contemplator that their great site is being "blacklisted" for whatever reason - and we hope to get the matter resolved:


I am long-time, occasional user and great fan of your website CONTEMPLATOR.COM

I have spent many hours over the years researching, referencing and just plain old listening at your site. I appreciate the labor of love and the expression of talent you have put into the site - and the generous gift to the world the site represents.

I am writing today to tell you that I cannot get into the site any longer because it is listed as a dangerous and malicious site. Here is McAfee's warning on your site:

"This link might be dangerous. We tested it and found security risks. Beware.
Website Category:
Malicious Downloads, Malicious Sites"

I have seen other users report that their Anti-Virus software has listed your site in the same manner. I have requested that McAfee review their analysis of your site but I wanted to be sure that you were aware that these warnings are being issued about contemplator.com

Sad to say you would not be the first innocent and good site to be hacked with malicious software added to your Midis or other data - and I hope this in not the case - but it is possible. It may simply be that McAfee and the other site scanning anti-virus packages don't like the way something on your site is loaded, presented or secured, in which case I hope a review would resolve the matter.

Anyway - I want to be sure that you are aware the problem exists - and I hope it can be resolved soon. You have done a wonderful job with your lovely Midis, lyrics and research and I am thankful for the great work you've made available to us all!

I don't know if I can do anything to help resolve the matter but let me know if can help in any way.

All the best to you and yours - Jed Marum


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 12:16 PM

Contemplator is a wonderful site, and I use it without problems. Note that I don't rely on browser plugins to play Midi files - Iceweasel (Firefox clone) tells me I need to install a plugin to access all the site, but I ignore that.

I use a timidity to play Midi files on linux - it looks as though TiMidity (free from SoftPedia.com) is a similar program for Windows.

I've tried accessing contemplator using Firefox in WinXP (virtual) and get no warnings from Avast! antivirus. It may be that McAfee is overcautious, but I can't judge that.

Phil


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: JedMarum
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 12:59 PM

Phil - I know it's possible (even likely) that there really IS no threat and that these anti-virus things just don't like the automatic Midi play and java script stuff ... the problem is there really might be malicious software on the site. How do we know?


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: Newport Boy
Date: 13 Aug 13 - 04:43 PM

Jed - I agree we need to know, but you can never be certain. The fact that I don't have automatic Midi play, usually have javascript off and don't see any warnings gives me hope.

That was me above - I can't get used to having to log on each day. I'm copying my Firefox profile to other computers, and I found that more than half the file size was the cache, so I've set Iceweasel to clear the cache on shutdown until I've got the transfer working.

Phil


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Subject: RE: contemplator site back up
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 14 Aug 13 - 11:40 AM

Presumably the musicians here want to use Contemplator's site as a source for beautiful music, because this site has (IMHO) the finest arrangements traditional tunes anywhere on the web.

When I want to play a tune, a box pops up with a warning about an ActiveX control. You can read about Active X here:

http://www.microsoft.com/security/pc-security/activex.aspx

It's no big surprise to get a warning about a site that plays music. Computers were not originally designed to process sound, and sound files used to be very powerful and unpredictable. There are still technicians out there who think that music programs are black magic.

Anyhow, on the page I gave above, Microsoft says that if you trust the site, then go ahead. Do I trust Contemplator? Yes.

However, if you don't want to do that, you can Save the music to your MIDI program. I did that and didn't get any warnings. Then you can have your virus-checker check it. I did that, and the music was fine.


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