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Janie 11 Feb 13 - 10:12 PM
gnu 11 Feb 13 - 09:06 PM
GUEST,I have forgotten the alias I used 11 Feb 13 - 08:34 PM
Fossil 11 Feb 13 - 05:11 AM
GUEST,I have forgotten the alias I used 10 Feb 13 - 07:34 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 30 Jan 13 - 06:03 AM
Megan L 30 Jan 13 - 05:32 AM
Little Hawk 29 Jan 13 - 10:50 PM
Ed T 29 Jan 13 - 07:27 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 29 Jan 13 - 07:10 PM
GUEST,Chongo Chimp 29 Jan 13 - 03:52 PM
Don Firth 29 Jan 13 - 03:40 PM
gnu 29 Jan 13 - 03:23 PM
GUEST,Musket sans cookie 29 Jan 13 - 03:05 PM
Little Hawk 29 Jan 13 - 11:53 AM
GUEST,Musket sans cookie 29 Jan 13 - 11:45 AM
Little Hawk 29 Jan 13 - 11:36 AM
GUEST,Musket sans cookie 29 Jan 13 - 11:12 AM
GUEST,Chongo Chimp 29 Jan 13 - 11:11 AM
Little Hawk 29 Jan 13 - 11:04 AM
Charmion 29 Jan 13 - 10:58 AM
Donuel 29 Jan 13 - 10:40 AM
MartinRyan 29 Jan 13 - 05:33 AM
GUEST,achmelvich 29 Jan 13 - 05:30 AM
Doug Chadwick 29 Jan 13 - 05:11 AM
Lizzie Cornish 1 29 Jan 13 - 04:56 AM
Keith A of Hertford 29 Jan 13 - 04:06 AM
GUEST,I have forgotten the alias I used. 29 Jan 13 - 03:28 AM
Little Hawk 29 Jan 13 - 12:27 AM
Jeri 28 Jan 13 - 08:56 PM
GUEST,I have forgotten the alias I used. 28 Jan 13 - 08:31 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 28 Jan 13 - 06:30 PM
Little Hawk 28 Jan 13 - 06:21 PM
Ed T 28 Jan 13 - 06:11 PM
Dave the Gnome 28 Jan 13 - 05:44 PM
Little Hawk 28 Jan 13 - 05:43 PM
Joe_F 28 Jan 13 - 05:30 PM
Lizzie Cornish 1 28 Jan 13 - 02:23 PM
Ed T 28 Jan 13 - 02:18 PM
Don Firth 28 Jan 13 - 02:14 PM
GUEST,I have forgotten the alias I used. 28 Jan 13 - 10:51 AM
GUEST,achmelvich 28 Jan 13 - 10:36 AM
Ed T 28 Jan 13 - 10:28 AM
GUEST,Paddy McBollox 28 Jan 13 - 10:10 AM
Ed T 28 Jan 13 - 10:07 AM
Lizzie Cornish 1 28 Jan 13 - 09:51 AM
Ed T 28 Jan 13 - 09:49 AM
GUEST,I 28 Jan 13 - 09:49 AM
Keith A of Hertford 28 Jan 13 - 09:30 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Janie
Date: 11 Feb 13 - 10:12 PM

Yes, there is a song that sums this thread up nicely!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: gnu
Date: 11 Feb 13 - 09:06 PM

I can abide thread drift when it is actually that. This shite is another thread and it belongs there... on ANOTHER thread.

Oh, yeah... guests can't start BS threads. Silly me. Never mind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: GUEST,I have forgotten the alias I used
Date: 11 Feb 13 - 08:34 PM

Fossil,fantasy indeed---man you will be claiming next that Samuel Pepys was not a rapist.
To return to the post that you have an objection to, do you really believe that a broadsheet, in the days when journalists still had some integrity, would fabricate a study and story in order to sell a few extra copies. They would be blown out of the water before the paper hit the streets.
Nowhere is it claimed that Tony Benn was connected in any way with Saville the point published is that the rich parents of the victim of the lowlife beast were stated to move in the same circles as the family of T.B.s mother who I am sure would be horrified at the breach of hospitality, to say the very least, exhibited by a scoundrel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Fossil
Date: 11 Feb 13 - 05:11 AM

Back under the bridge, forgetful guest troll.

No point in dragging Tony Benn into your squalid fantasy, whatever else he was, and however many mugs of tea he consumed or interview tapes he filed, he shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as the horrid Jim S.

Although I never agreed with his politics, he had a lot to say about British society which made a lot of sense. And, indeed, his observations about the banks and building societies were right on when you consider the toxic, semi-criminal activities they got up to in the loadsamoney years. Some of us remember.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: GUEST,I have forgotten the alias I used
Date: 10 Feb 13 - 07:34 AM

Greetings Keith A of Hereford.
Have just read your post of 29.1.13.                                 I was unaware that there was a book on the subject, my information came from an article in one of the broadsheets reviewing a study into the effects of unaturally close relationships between boys and young men and their mothers. The conclusion reached in that research was that young men who had had such relationships were psychologically unfitted for a relationship with a mature woman for the rest of their lifes but remained a great and continuing threat to young girls for that time. A good recent example of this would be the odious Saville.
Not having a great interest in the article my only reaction was sadness that "A Boys Own Paper Hero" should be exposed as having feet of clay   The girls rich family moved in the same circles as the family of the mother of Tony Benn, Viscount Stansgate[dis.]


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Jan 13 - 06:03 AM

Be careful how you use that "knock me up" one LH.

If you say (of a member of the feminine gender) "I knocked her up", you'll likely get into some bother.

The phrase "knocked up" is also used to describe pregnancy.

Confuddlin' innit?

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Megan L
Date: 30 Jan 13 - 05:32 AM

Little Hawk if baith you and thon flee bitten rug wie lang airms dinny behave an stop the bad words Granny will pit ye baith ower her knee and skelp yer bahookies till yer neb rins and yer lugs ring.

Translations can be bought at great cost from mr mackenzie


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 10:50 PM

I just thought of some more handy English words and phrases that I've picked up either on this forum or elsewhere...

"shite"
"starkers"
"gobsmacked"
"knackered"
"a good rogering"
"knock me up" (usually "in the morning")
"bonnet" (automotive term)
"boot" (also an automotive term)
"thump" and "a good thumping"
"piss off"
"taking the piss"
"randy"

They're surprisingly earthy, aren't they? They all make me think of Olive Whatnoll and 'er 'usband, Eddie, 'oo live in 'Ull.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 07:27 PM

No - It's a thread with people discussing mudfolks (named and elsewise)arguing and cussing each other during arguments and discussions on "discussion and cussing threads", and also where,at times cussing exceeds discussion (providing real-time examples, of course, of discourse, discussion and cussing)- with the odd imaginary animal thrown in.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 07:10 PM

I finally figured it out.

This is a thread for people arguing about discussing people arguing about people arguing about discussing discussion threads, right?........

Ooooh! My head hurts!

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 03:52 PM

That's fer damn sure! Get on the job.

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 03:40 PM

Geez! I'm an American and I haven't shot anybody all week!

I must be slipping up on my patriotic duties!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 03:23 PM

A Canadian may well be an unarmed American with health care. Canucks, on the other hand, are well armed and there are a shitload of them. They just don't shoot up the place so much.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 03:05 PM

He plays Jake's songs eh? I had the honour of knowing him. Mind you, singing his songs is difficult if you are prone to getting your wucking mords fuddled.

Anyone who can start a song with the line "I love a good bum on a woman it makes my day" died far far too young...

Parrots have far too much timing.. I downloaded Pierre the parrot for my phone and am teaching him to swear. ......


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 11:53 AM

LOL!!! Yeah, I love that one. It sums the matter up so succinctly.

Actually, I've had a lot of good British friends here in the folk music scene in Canada over the years. One has mastered most of Jake Thackray's repertoire. Hilarious stuff. Another plays the concertina, knows every traditional song imaginable, and is a very nice man to boot. Another started out as a huge Bob Dylan fan, but later moved to creating a guitar style all his own, totally unique and extremely subtle.

So, although I poke fun now and then at the foibles of British folkies, I have had plenty of reason to enjoy the good things they have to offer.

But how about that parrot, eh? What a sense of timing that bird has.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 11:45 AM

Aye. . Having lived and worked in a number of countries I suppose I can get rather embarrassed by the English man abroad stereotype and the number of arses who perpetuate it via cheap flights to Mediterranean resorts.

A Canadian friend had a T shirt (also saw it on sale in a number of Canadian ski resorts lately) saying

Canadian. (Noun) unarmed American with health care.

Slightly more witty than our Brits on the piss T shirts wouldn't you say?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 11:36 AM

Hi, Musket. ;-) I'm not sure where I first heard the term "bollocks", but it was long before I knew about Mudcat. I probably heard it being used by various expatriate Britons in the Toronto folk music scene in the early 70s, I guess. There were a lot of those chaps about, mostly large (fat) men with beards and a strong opinion about bloody well EVERYTHING. Then too, there was the odd skinny and sarcastic one, likewise strongly opinionated. When these gentlemen would get on the subject of Ireland or the British political system, things could get right nasty! I would attempt to slip quietly away at that point....

I have, however, found Mudcat to be a treasure trove of odd British expressions, and I am still busy mining that trove for new gems.

Among them: tosser, wassock (or wazzock), pillock, git, OLD git, wanker, twat, arse, bugger (off), and fecking.

Very expressive terms, I think, and they're quite useful to know.

Here is a British-resident parrot who has this sort of hostile invective absolutely mastered. His English owner is attempting to teach him a few words in French, and the parrot takes offense! The results are quite amusing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 11:12 AM

Where did you learn the word bollocks little hawk?

Has mudcat been expanding your vocabulary again?

See, if we didn't have the likes of the BS section we might think that everybody was as expected instead of genuinely interesting. ..

Nowt like a cathartic rant to start the day. If only Max understood the British hobby of taking the piss...


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 11:11 AM

I never said I wanted this limey Chadwick bozo on my threads in the first place, did I? What would he add to them? Nothin'. I'm glad he don't bother droppin' in.

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 11:04 AM

Your posts, and the threads that contain them, must be even less interesting than the Chongo "drivel" you make reference to, Doug Chadwick, because I don't remember ever even SEEing a post by you before. Where have you been? We must not attend the same pubs. (Mind you, I never go to pubs anyway. I think they're crap. A load of bollocks. Drivel. A waste of my time.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Charmion
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 10:58 AM

Thanks for that, Donuel. Real wisdom there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 10:40 AM

Dear selby,
One can hope for more inclusive hearts to prevail but even a great community can be corrupted by some form of fundamentalist ego or another. There are more exclusionary practices, rumor mills and hero worship of the most quantity driven posters than those daily immersed in the forum seem to realize. There are those who want to keep it that way so let them. Some need the rewarding responses more than others, If you are looking for rewards here but can not find any please know there are kinder hearts in communities outside this one small island.

Like any group who feel ownership of "this little thing of ours", exclusivity can spread like an infection. Playing king of hill is fun so let the kids play, it is their game after all.

Even the smallest reward given freely to another in a discussion forum is relished beyond words. Likewise the smallest snub can be devastation to others. If there are no rewards or responses there will be no feeling of mutual participation or membership.

Be it a loss of etiquette or thin skin a discussion forum is usually a rough and tumble place that can end up offending more than illuminating. Arguments often require a foil or adversary, real or not, to contrast points of view. I think discussions are more about being rewarded for the thought, insight or scholarly history one can bring to the table. No cookie, no trick. Of course there are the contributors who are truly selfless in their giving.

The unwritten dark side rules of making sure the rumored scarlet troll is ignored and not responded to, will put them in their place and make them go away. To PM people and tell them to "stop messin with people's minds" is a more direct rebuke I have seen. The mean, trite or deeply angry people can be forgiven for their follies and foibles but they still do damage to a community.

For former participants I can only hope they realize that the pendulum of human nature will allow any community to swing back to inclusivity from exclusivity, be it from the momentum of events, discoveries, accomplishments or death. Sometimes highly qualified people like a judge or a DA must leave mudcat forum to save their occupation from guilt by association with yahoos or worse.

One can argue if spending five or more hours on one website is healthy. They like it because they are getting something they think they need. Even if it is only an illusion of gratification from ones time posting, it is still seemingly important. When it is from a good heart, good things will probably issue.
It is always healthy to step away for a season or more to grow in directions outside one small group of people. Immediate family excepted, although that may also be a good idea.

Remember the quality of a contribution will seldom outweigh the quantity of contributions. It is always best to not make the mistake of basing self worth upon ill formed or misinformed notions of what a a yahoo in a chat room says about you. True membership in a community like this one is defined more by the in person relationships made at getaways and workshops. Love and trust require actual touch and oxytocin.

Fair or not selby, it is wise to not over invest emotions in people who will only know you as a virtual spot on a page and not the consciousness that is growing within you. Most people will only see what they already know; outside their focused pov they are blind.

Look, lurk or post, it's up to you. For me that is freedom enough with or without a good discussion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: MartinRyan
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 05:33 AM

what are we meant to be discussing on here again?

We're discussing "discussing". The confusion arises because some of us read it as "disgusting".

Regards


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 05:30 AM

yes, i think i've learned that chongo has a nebulous sort of identity that seems to mean something slightly different to a few people in on the joke. don't think i need to get into that.
much as i like a bit of veering off the subject -winding up the machine this morning and finding a discussion on whether captain oates fathered a child in dodgy circumstances is - as i believe those pesky young folk say - random, extreme even.
what is more predictable is the bickering between LC and 'unkle boko?' or whoever. as the slightly less young people may say -'get a room!'
could you start a thread titled ,say,'a cat fight between one or two individuals - number whatever' (see OP) i would enjoy the occasional read of such a thread, as i enjoy an occasional row. however, each time i am doing it i am reminded of a more sensible friend saying to me - don't bother arguing with people who seem to be crazy - a passer-by will not be able to distinguish between you.

what are we meant to be discussing on here again?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 05:11 AM

i have seen many references to this 'chongo' character - i guess it's an in-joke on this site - who or what is s/he? and why?

For me "chongo" is a code word for "the rest of this post is drivel". Whenever I see the word I move on to something more sensible. If it becomes clear that subsequent posters have descended to the chongo level, I abandon the thread and find something more interesting. I never open threads with titles that refer to chongo or chimps, apes, etc. It was much the same with references to William Shatner. Some here clearly see these in-jokes as hilariously funny but, for me, they are just a waste of bandwidth.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 04:56 AM

>>>>L.C.
As a guest in this forum I do not have the facility to bring up quotes made by me in previous threads forby being of an age when the memory is failing fast. You however, as a member, can no doubt bring up the required threads and thereby enable us all to check without schoolyard name calling who is a hypocrite and it is certainly not me. A check of threads you have posted in during the past six months should throw up the required information.
If you were to apply a little of the time you waste in obstreperous argument you would quickly find McTaggart who is not a whit diminished by your ignorance.<<<<<<

Then JOIN Mudcat and stop posting as a guest....Easy Peasy.
I most certainly am not going to search for a post you say you made. You want to throw it at me, you locate it..and not just the words you used but a link to the actual thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 04:06 AM

the allegation that Oates had fathered a child with a girl who was only eleven at the time of conception. This allegation was, naturally, picked up by the media as fact. It is far, far from fact. There is no actual evidence for it whatsoever. It hinges entirely on the fact that a girl was told by her guardian (after many years) that her father was Captain Oates. How convenient - a heroic figure who couldn't answer back and deny it. If I was a woman who had no idea who my father was and had a little dream that he may be someone great, I'd like to hear he was Captain Oates too. It seems to me that this somehow became accepted in their family, and Michael Smith got hold of it and put it in his book and got more publicity because of it.

I kept turning the pages waiting for the actual evidence. Apparently, he looked a bit like some uncle of the family. That's it.

This is a man who (and this IS documented and attested to by those who knew him) showed absolutely no interest in women or sex at all for the rest of his life. This is a man who, according to everyone who knew him, behaved with the utmost decency to all he knew from any walk of life. There is no record of him or his family having anything to do with the woman or her family at any point in his life. She lived in Scotland. There is no record of him going to Scotland at this time. There is absolutely nothing to link them at any point. The person who told the girl he was her father was only her guardian. Her mother lived near to her but never mentioned anything of the sort.

Oates would have been eighteen at the time. This clearly, if it happened at all, which I believe it did not, was an incredibly brief relationship with no further contact - would it even be possible to recognise him as the same person 14 years later? And if the mother told the guardian that it was Oates (as who else would have done?), why didn't she tell the daughter herself? It just doesn't add up. It seems quite obvious that it was a nice story told to a girl who wanted a hero for a father. It is just a shame that this warming little family white lie couldn't have stayed within the family.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: GUEST,I have forgotten the alias I used.
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 03:28 AM

Good morning all.
I have supplied, as requested, the name of my source along with the first line of the first verse of what is a lost bawdy song relating to what old men got up to with young girls. I go no further as I am about to leave for the North East and in the words of that well known paedophile [a younger man] Captain Lawerence "Titus" Oates "I may be some time".
PS. Check out the said "Titus" for the veracity of my statement. He fathered a child on a twelve year old girl.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jan 13 - 12:27 AM

Yes. Indubitably.

And so?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 08:56 PM

Do you folks realize how (ironically) stupid this thread has become? How helpless some seem to break from their disruptive, angry patterns...and how helpless others are to resist reacting to the stimulus?

Read the initial post.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: GUEST,I have forgotten the alias I used.
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 08:31 PM

L.C.
As a guest in this forum I do not have the facility to bring up quotes made by me in previous threads forby being of an age when the memory is failing fast. You however, as a member, can no doubt bring up the required threads and thereby enable us all to check without schoolyard name calling who is a hypocrite and it is certainly not me. A check of threads you have posted in during the past six months should throw up the required information.
If you were to apply a little of the time you waste in obstreperous argument you would quickly find McTaggart who is not a whit diminished by your ignorance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 06:30 PM

""and they had no further way to continue their 'Witch Hunt' against me,""

""Screaming, name-calling, and generally acting like a mad person draws attention to yourself and can affect your argument for your "cause de jour" adversely.""

Sometimes the object of a witch hunt has made herself look and sound like a witch.

Just saying.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 06:21 PM

It should also be noted that Chongo has come under repeated attack from his political enemies (the Democrats and Republicans), and has been subjected to shockingly false allegations and attacks on his character, most of those emanating from Rapparee, Bobert, Amos, and Frogprince, plus an occasional obscene remark from Catspaw49. Do not believe anything they post about him! It all comes straight from either the White House...or the Republican National Committee...and it's nothing but scurrilous lies and unconsionable falsehoods of the most heinous and despicable sort.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 06:11 PM

achmelvich,

My error - I must surrender to a greater authority on the lineage and lifestyle of Chongo the Chimp. In fact, I am unsure if he prefers Banana-Land, or the Bird Food Emporium while dining with the poereful and famous.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 05:44 PM

Sigh...


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 05:43 PM

Yes, it all depends on which threads you open.

achmelvich - You've been given some misleading info about Chongo. He is NOT Canadian. He's an ex-African Chimpanzee, now and American citizen, came over to the USA on a banana boat in the late 20s or early 30s, landed at Ellis Island, got his immigration papers, was in New York City for a few years, then relocated to Chicago where he got a license as a private investigator, having been inspired by Humprhey Bogart gangster films. He has stayed in Chicago ever since, fighting crime. He has also been running for president on the APP (American Primate Party) ticket for the last few elections. Some of his personal friends include Clint Eastwood, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and Madonna. His politics range from the Far Right to the Far Left and everything else in between. He helped put Al Capone in jail, and was a personal friend of Primo Carnera and Joe Louis. He once went 8 rounds with Muhammad Ali in an exhibition match to raise money for homeless children, apes, and monkeys.

And, yes, he's an in-joke on this forum.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Joe_F
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 05:30 PM

This is not the first time I have been startled to see complaints about the bad manners of Mudcatters. Evidently they are not attracted by the subjects I look at, or (less likely) they are on their best behavior on such threads.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 02:23 PM

>>>L.C.
Aha you have me there.....<<<<

Yup, thought that *might* be the case.

Well, if you find it, please feel free to put it up on here, unless, of course, you're merely a lying, twisting, spinning little pain in the whatsit, of course...

"...The quote can be found in McTaggart. You can do your own search for it---it begins "With pows say white and tails say green--- "

Is 'McTaggart' a Far and Distant land where they speak the Ancient Language of Codswallop?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 02:18 PM

""To change something? Or to make yourself feel noble.""

A good one, Don Firth LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 02:14 PM

Lizzie, believe me, I'm plenty involved in things and I'm truly outraged about a number of things, but I find it far more productive to endeavor to persuade and logically argue people into my way of thinking than to shriek, stomp, spit, and throw things.

Logic and a good command of the facts, presented in a calm and persuasive manner, if it does not actually convince the Powers That Be to see it my way, it will more often than not convince others who will then join me in putting pressure on the Powers That Be.

Screaming, name-calling, and generally acting like a mad person draws attention to yourself and can affect your argument for your "cause de jour" adversely.

That sort of behavior puts people off, no matter how just your cause is

Of course, it can also act as a great cathartic for you. But it is almost invariably counterproductive. It depends of what you are really trying to accomplish. To change something? Or to make yourself feel noble.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: GUEST,I have forgotten the alias I used.
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 10:51 AM

L.C.
Aha you have me there. I do not keep notes on the threads I comment on but I do remember the quote containing the "f" word that you raised an objection to and I remember you, to show a complete egostistical disregard, proceeded to use the "f" word in threads immediately following the one commented on, I, of course pointed out your hypocrisy at the time in at least one of these threads.
The quote can be found in McTaggart. You can do your own search for it---it begins "With pows say white and tails say green---


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 10:36 AM

from what i remember of the bbc boards - most discussions towards the end seemed to attract the abuse and right wing hostility of 'unkle boko' - new posts became less frequent and some posters mentioned 'mudcat' a place where folk and anything else (politics) could be discussed/argued without such boring censorship as imposed by the bbc. i came here from there and appreciate the wide range of views and do my best not to get involved with slagging off individuals - though feel slagging political ideologies is totally fair game. don't mind if others insult each other though and i like a bit of thread drift. real conversations involve interesting diversions and a bit of piss-taking -
and no censorship.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 10:28 AM

A funny quote I saw recently *(no disrespect to anyone, real or fictional, intended - it's just humour):

""The combination of prozac and other medications, guns, food additives, cell phone towers and elf people is mind controlling. It is all part of the global government-corporate agenda to make us all mind slaves and it is beginning to look scary. I don't have much information on this yet, but I'll see what I can dig up on the internet and get back to you all on it.""


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: GUEST,Paddy McBollox
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 10:10 AM

Your version of events, Liz. I challenge you to find one other person who shares that view about what happened on the BBC messageboards. What do you imagine you had to teach anyone about folk music? You don't know anything about folk music. Just like the poor Native Americans, who are your latest crusade, you take a pinch of knowledge from your endless internet surfing, decide you are an expert, and then screech and preach at people who know far more than you do and tell them what to think. No wonder you piss so many people off in so many places. If there was a witch hunt, why is it that you're still constantly winding up new people here on Mudcat? Always new enemies, always new fights. And who is the common denominator? Oh that's right - poor put upon Saint Liz.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 10:07 AM

A few mudcatters tried to track down the whereabouts of Chongo, as he does leave muddy tracks on this site. But, unfortunately, he employs socks and possibly changes them often to obscure identification.(when he changes socks, he wears old soiled mis-matched 60's folkie ones, to obscure DNA tracing).


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 09:51 AM

>>>In a previous thread when I used the "f" word in a direct quote
from a published source who was it who came over all holier than thou backed up by a wheen syncophatic numpties ?
Why none other than L.C. whose motto appears to be "do as I say not as I do" if her/his use of this word in this and other threads is to be relied on. <<<

Really?

Please feel free to quote it, giving the link to the thread too..


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 09:49 AM

Chongo is a (Canadian?) chimp who somehow obtained the ability to type, give advice/comment and fling poo. Few here have actally seen him, though his "muddy tracks" and exploits are found throughout mudcat threads.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: GUEST,I
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 09:49 AM

Hypocrisy, eminating from whatever exalted source, should at all times be exposed to scrutiny and this thread is as good a channel as any to try and keep a few overgrown egos in check.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 09:30 AM

OP = opening post/poster.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat DISCUSSION forum
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 09:25 AM

chongo? OP? angry rhinos? curiouser and curiouser


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