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Singing in a previous life

GUEST,Guest 31 Jan 13 - 01:45 PM
Ebbie 31 Jan 13 - 03:06 PM
Phil Edwards 31 Jan 13 - 03:41 PM
GUEST,999 31 Jan 13 - 04:49 PM
GUEST,Guest 31 Jan 13 - 06:04 PM
GUEST,mg 31 Jan 13 - 06:43 PM
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Phil Edwards 01 Feb 13 - 03:22 AM
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Subject: Singing in a previous life
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 31 Jan 13 - 01:45 PM

Too nervous to let you know my real name, because I may get a lot of comments calling me a raving lunatic. However I have past life memories {more than one} and in one of the lives I can remember singing a mixture of songs, including several folk songs. I was an ironmonger in nineteenth century Dorset I was fat in later life, had several kids who adored me, wore a long white apron and a hat. My wife died in childbirth and I never remarried. I was I mention it to anybody other than family they just say it's my imagination, or some sort of genetic memory.
I know this is a weird thread, but does anybody else have any sort of experience like this? Yours in trepidation
Mudcat Guest


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Jan 13 - 03:06 PM

Good for you! Pity that I don't remember making music before but I do have some snippets of memories. For instance, I believe that I was a midwife or something like it once.

I also have 'watched' myself as a child in perhaps the 14th century, the daughter of a scullery maid, and came to understand that I had been raped and killed at age 10.

(FYI- naysayers and the like are welcome on this thread, but there is absolutely no need for any of you {you know who you are!} to protest and attempt to refute any of these assertions. It has all been said before.)


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 31 Jan 13 - 03:41 PM

Guest - I'm interested in the songs you remember singing. If any of them are from the right period, and if you (present-day you) haven't heard them anywhere else, that would start to look like evidence. It'd be interesting to investigate.


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: GUEST,999
Date: 31 Jan 13 - 04:49 PM

What details--no matter how fuzzy--do you recall about it? (I'm not about to chide you at all.)


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 31 Jan 13 - 06:04 PM

The bad life I lived was as a man of Gypsy blood. I did some terrible things, just about everything you could imagine, to women children as well as adult men. I enjoyed watching them in pain. I was hanged for my crimes {crimes are an understatement} and it was in public. They were glad to see me go. I remember the roughness of the rope on my neck, and the fact that I soiled myself, but nothing about the actual execution. I was born with a slight tendancy to stand with my head on one side in this day and age. I have some bad nightmares. I have seriously censored the crimes and what I did. The next life could not have been more removed from the bad life. The name Mr.Jennings seems to be right to me. I used to sing snatches of songs. The Sweet Primroses was one, when was a slim young man I used to sing in the pub and I had a leather waistcoat and some rough material for trousers. The memory I have is standing on my own but still singing. I was really good natured but lazy, and would do the least possible to make a living.
Another song had the chorus Hooray for old Englands brave boys, and Fathom the bowl. There was a music hall song as well The Silvery Moon. I lived in I still find a slight west Country accent creeping in. It's all very strange, and I could go on. thank you for taking me seriously


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 31 Jan 13 - 06:43 PM

I had at least two previous lives...

The first one I knew about was as some sort of captive of the Vikings. I stirred a big pot by the edge of the forest..don't think it was food..think it had leaves in it..perhaps some type of tanning hides. I was very beautiful..dark red hair. Someone told me I was in chains but I don't remember that.

Second more recent...Ukranian woman around 1930..taken out to a field and shot.

Possibility..very young child ..probably0 Dutch...in those Japanese POW camps in Indonesia..perhaps not a camp..I must have died or else I wouldn't have been born not too long after..but I am not sure of this one.

Someone also told me I had been a mother superior nun..possibly Italy? Botanist/herbalist.


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: GUEST,999
Date: 31 Jan 13 - 06:53 PM

One of my best friends in my youth was a Jennings. His mom spoke with a Cockney accent (I'm in Canada) and she told me of a time in England when she was visiting a friend some distance away. The town she was in was new to her. Before they rounded a corner, she described a shop that was three or four buildings down the next road prefacing her statement with attestation that she just 'knew' the shop was there. She described it in detail to her friend even to the type of flowers hanging above the shop door. When they turned the corner it was as she had said.

I don't think you're crazy or out of your mind. I do think you need to come to grips with your past. For some reason or other you're dragging some heavy baggage with you.

When I was 12 years old I had the following experience.

"            My grandfather was my dearest friend and closest companion. He shared his life with me and took the place of my absent father. When I had problems, Grampy helped me think about them and solve them. When I needed direction or guidance, he seemed to know, always. I absolutely adored him, and to this day I weigh the personal attributes of all other people against the mettle of his character. He was not a perfect man, and God knows he could drive a person to distraction, but he was my Grampy. We spent countless hours over the course of the years fixing the television. I would hold the mirror while he fiddled with the back of the TV. It was something we did together that was very special and meaningful to me, and it taught me lessons I could never have learned on my own: Lessons about helping, figuring things out, understanding the words people use, manners and speaking.
            My grandfather took ill. He had black lung caused by his coal mining days, and cancer caused by the cigarettes he smoked. I knew he was sick, but I had no idea how sick. I had gone to him so, so many times in my youth when I was misunderstood or troubled, lost or confused, alone or hurt. I could no more conceive of a life without him than I could conceive of a universe without God. And at the age of sixty-three, I can feel tears in my eyes as I try to write about the time Grampy came to me.

The living room was silent. The shades were drawn. The television screen was dark. I floated across the floor, stood beside my grandfather's chair and stared at the TV. I didn't know what I was doing there; I just knew it was where I had to be. Time evaporated. How much or how little went by I have no way of knowing. A mist formed beside the television we had repaired together so often. My grandfather's face appeared from the nothingness, and he smiled at me with a peace, tranquility, sadness and compassion I have only ever ascribed to beings of kindness and angels from the other world. And I knew then what Grampy had come to tell me. I awoke in my bed with the most terrible chilling anguish a human being can experience. I spoke with no one, and two months later the unthinkable came to pass."

I wrote that real-life experience as part of a short story about my grandfather. It is not embellished or exaggerated. Perhaps writing about it as you have done will help exorcise the demons. Yes, people will be skeptical. However, it ain't about them. It's about you.


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 31 Jan 13 - 07:42 PM

Thanks for that. It's the bad life that is so rough on me. I have not begun to tell you and probably should not. I will say that there was a sexual side to my crimes as well, and it's that knowledge that is so hard. The Gallows was in a triangle by the way but I was on my own when I died, nobody was hanged with me. they called me Old Mr. J when I was an ironmonger Ilived in Dorchester or near Bridport. The shop had a black sign with gold lettering, and was neat and tidy. Every thing kept in drawers. I loved my food, and couldn,t wait to get to the pub. I used to drink beer from a jug with a lid. It was passed round and you filled up your own mug. Just remember happyness and contentment.


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Jan 13 - 09:24 PM

Guest/Mr. J (if I may call you that- obviously you are much more Mr. Jennings these days than you are the dark one), it is my notion that before we ever 'return' we vow/decide/are determined to make a success of the life situation that has been laid before us. Perhaps not totally for the sake of our own 'record', perhaps it is the life of someone else who has vowed to succeed in a different situation of which we will be a part.

Sometimes we succeed, sometimes we merely survive, sometimes we succumb to pressures that are downright evil.(There is plenty of time; we don't punch in 9 to 5.)

Sometimes we succeed, sometimes we merely survive, sometimes we succumb to pressures that are downright evil. But in every case, it is something that the essence of ourselves undergoes, not something that either damns or elevates us forever.

It works for me.


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 01 Feb 13 - 03:22 AM

What interests me about these experiences isn't their subjective reality or the value people find in them - which I don't question - but whether they have any objective reality or not. This is why it would be interesting to identify the songs which you remember from a past life, establish whether they're from the right kind of period and (probably the hardest part) ask yourself whether you could have known them in the present day before you experienced that memory.


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 01 Feb 13 - 03:44 AM

Surely there can be no objective evidence - you only get one go and this is it?

But as Phil says - intrestin all the same


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 01 Feb 13 - 04:37 AM

I'm sceptical myself, but I like a mystery.


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 01 Feb 13 - 04:51 AM

I don't believe in reincarnation. I didn't believe in it last time, either.


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 01 Feb 13 - 06:29 AM

Always fascinated by the power of the mind.   

Mind you, also intrigued by the ability of intelligent people to want to believe something.

If everybody was objective and cynical of anything that is clear fantasy, how the hell would religions mind wash people? Human nature seems to lean towards suggestive behaviour. Must be me who is the freak then...


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: GUEST,999
Date: 01 Feb 13 - 07:30 AM

". . . how the hell would religions mind wash people?"

A light rinse would do under most circumstances. However, that isn't the issue at the moment.


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: GUEST,999
Date: 01 Feb 13 - 07:30 AM

". . . how the hell would religions mind wash people?"

A light rinse would do under most circumstances. However, that isn't the issue at the moment.


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Feb 13 - 02:22 PM

:)

For years I have had a print on my walls of two children: the bigger one has her arm around the shoulders of the boy.

I have always felt that once I was the older sister - or perhaps, mother? - of a very difficult - and older - brother of mine.


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Feb 13 - 09:33 PM

Guest, you're probably wrong. Your memories are probably constructs based on your (largely forgotten) earlier life experiences - which have been filtered through (again forgotten) interactions with other (mostly very much older) people. The result is an impression of hearing things from long before your own time.


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 02 Feb 13 - 12:02 AM

Very good ideas here. Thought you might like this song about past lives. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRBPUpf3Nk I havent' managed the blicky thing, but you can copy and past the link of youtube and get the song.


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: GloriaJ
Date: 02 Feb 13 - 04:41 AM

There has been serious long-term academic study into reincarnation at an american university(where else!) - maybe the University of Virginia,I cant remember, but I have read the book by Prof Ian Stevenson called "Twenty Cases Suggestive Of Reincarnation".This is fascinating and VERY persuasive.Most of the case studies are in India, but a couple come from the west.Stevenson,being an academic,knows you cant count personal memories and introspection as evidence so he does interviews in the field with witnesses.Some of the results are uncanny and unforgettable.
However, I remain sceptical.
I do like the idea of someone coming up with a hitherto unknown version of a trad song.How confident are we that we could spot a fakesong though? Almost everything you hear in a folk club these days is non-traditional, but trying to sound as if it is.


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: Beer
Date: 02 Feb 13 - 08:40 AM

No experience to share but an interesting thread to read though.
Adrien


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Subject: RE: Singing in a previous life
From: GUEST,JHW
Date: 02 Feb 13 - 04:01 PM

Not another life but I have occasionally sung a song that I don't know in a dream. Once only (this year) I managed to hang on to the melody when I was awake, sure it was a new one but of course I forgot it.


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